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Differences between Kai and manga

Post by PiscesCaballero » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:22 am

I know that Kai is already a 99.9% word-for-word faithful adaptation of the manga but there are still subtle differences that were left from the original Z so I think this would be fun to discuss.

Here's the differences that are in my head ATM (I'll post more when I finish watching Kai). Please not I read a fanscanlation for the manga of DBZ so correct me for errors.

Zarbon VS Vegeta-In Kai Bulma was going all googly-eyed and in love when she saw Zarbon's face. In the manga scanlation I read, she doesn't go googly-eyed. There's nothing implying she was in love with Zarbon or even found him remotely handsome.

Piccolo VS Android 20-In Kai the battle is slightly extended with Piccolo grabbing 20's arm as he attempts to steal Piccolo's ki. Piccolo squeezes 20's arm very hard and gives a smirk like "hahahaha you failed!". He then karate chops the arm off. In the manga Piccolo is simply show as chopping 20's arm of the moment he goes at him.

Guldo's death-Kai Vegeta shoots his head off. In the Manga, Vegeta brutally beheads Guld with slash, with lots of blood gushing out.

Just some of the stuff I can't think of ATM.Will add more.Feel free to post your observations here! :D
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Re: Differences between Kai and manga

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:43 am

PiscesCaballero wrote:I know that Kai is already a 99.9% word-for-word faithful adaptation of the manga
Wow, relax, that's too much! It's about 90%.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Differences between Kai and manga

Post by Eight-Star Dragon » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:56 pm

Yeah, Kai is pretty fast-paced, but it doesn't perfectly adapts the manga.

Kai actually keeps in a lot of filler. Some examples:

- Miscellaneous flashbacks of King Vegeta/the Saiyans during the Freeza arc.
- Mr. Satan's disciples Caroni and Pirsohiki and manager Ms. Piiza (to be fair, they couldn't really be edited out)
- Longer battles in general (Goku and Gohan's battles against Cell, for example)

Plus, there are lot a scenes in the anime that are different from the manga (i.e. Dodoria killing Dende's brother instead of Freeza)
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Re: Differences between Kai and manga

Post by GotenDaisuki » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:24 pm

The first episode is mostly comprised as filler as well, till you get to Kame House. It was done to introduce the Son family. Also I think it was kept in because making it start at Kame House would make it a little too fast-paced.
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Re: Differences between Kai and manga

Post by PiscesCaballero » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:54 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
PiscesCaballero wrote:I know that Kai is already a 99.9% word-for-word faithful adaptation of the manga
Wow, relax, that's too much! It's about 90%.
XD 99.9% was my approximation (I knew it was probably wrong but that is just my guess yours is much closer).

GotenDaisuki wrote:The first episode is mostly comprised as filler as well, till you get to Kame House. It was done to introduce the Son family. Also I think it was kept in because making it start at Kame House would make it a little too fast-paced.
XD the Nicktoons version just skipped into the Kame House scene(probably to get it faster to the point to the Raditz fight so kids don't get bored of all the filler talk which they likely don't care about).

I honestly thought that the intro filler was annoying when I was watching Kai Uncut(but then again I read the manga so I knew everything already).
Eight-Star Dragon wrote:Yeah, Kai is pretty fast-paced, but it doesn't perfectly adapts the manga.

- Longer battles in general (Goku and Gohan's battles against Cell, for example)
ATM biggest example I could think of is Trunks VS Frieza. In the manga Trunks just turns SSJ and slices dodges Frieza's attack and then heads to slice Frieza to itsy bitsy pieces and heads to kill the father. In Kai they left that planet-destroying Nova attack thing.

Also aside from the bigger battles Kai left the long-charge ups(well nowhere near as long as the whole episode chargeups of the original DBZ but still considerably longer than other fighting Shonen-about 3-5 minutes longest). In the manga pretty much every charge-up took only 1-2 page at most.
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Re: Differences between Kai and manga

Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:24 am

PiscesCaballero wrote:
GotenDaisuki wrote:The first episode is mostly comprised as filler as well, till you get to Kame House. It was done to introduce the Son family. Also I think it was kept in because making it start at Kame House would make it a little too fast-paced.
XD the Nicktoons version just skipped into the Kame House scene(probably to get it faster to the point to the Raditz fight so kids don't get bored of all the filler talk which they likely don't care about).
The Bardock scenes and clips from DragonBall that make up that small intro are all in the Nicktoons version.
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Post by SaiyaJedi » Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:20 am

Gregory is also in Kai, right? He doesn't even exist in the manga.
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Re: Differences between Kai and manga

Post by GotenDaisuki » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:51 am

Yeah, Gregory is indeed in Kai. For what reason I know not. But it was probably just to fill the 22 minutes.
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Re: Differences between Kai and manga

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:56 pm

Gregory was there because he was unavoidable. There were scenes, like Kaio's, Bubbles' & Goku's death in Cell Games, that couldn't be omited, and he was there. Like with Pizza & Satan's students in the Cell Games.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Differences between Kai and manga

Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:06 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Gregory was there because he was unavoidable. There were scenes, like Kaio's, Bubbles' & Goku's death in Cell Games, that couldn't be omited, and he was there. Like with Pizza & Satan's students in the Cell Games.
If they reanimated completely the filler characters would not be necessary.
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Re: Differences between Kai and manga

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:14 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Gregory was there because he was unavoidable. There were scenes, like Kaio's, Bubbles' & Goku's death in Cell Games, that couldn't be omited, and he was there. Like with Pizza & Satan's students in the Cell Games.
If they reanimated completely the filler characters would not be necessary.
But they never did such a think. :roll:
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: Differences between Kai and manga

Post by Codarik » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:17 pm

In the manga, there is this really unique and interesting character named Buu. He doesn't appear at all in Kai.
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Re: Differences between Kai and manga

Post by GotenDaisuki » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:39 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Gregory was there because he was unavoidable. There were scenes, like Kaio's, Bubbles' & Goku's death in Cell Games, that couldn't be omited, and he was there. Like with Pizza & Satan's students in the Cell Games.
They did a good job avoiding the Ginyu Corps at Kaio's planet, though.
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Post by Gonstead » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:12 pm

GotenDaisuki wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Gregory was there because he was unavoidable. There were scenes, like Kaio's, Bubbles' & Goku's death in Cell Games, that couldn't be omited, and he was there. Like with Pizza & Satan's students in the Cell Games.
They did a good job avoiding the Ginyu Corps at Kaio's planet, though.
Because they didn't actually interfere with any required footage unlike Gregory who is apart of the footage needed.
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Re: Differences between Kai and manga

Post by dbboxkaifan » Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:11 pm

Codarik wrote:In the manga, there is this really unique and interesting character named Buu. He doesn't appear at all in Kai.
Perfect Cell is far more unique than Majin Boo will ever be.
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Post by SylentEcho » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:10 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:
Codarik wrote:In the manga, there is this really unique and interesting character named Buu. He doesn't appear at all in Kai.
Perfect Cell is far more unique than Majin Boo will ever be.
How so? Don't get me wrong, I love Cell, but he could just have 3 forms. Majin Boo could have as many forms as he wanted to based on who he absorbed. Also his personality wasn't one dimensional like Cell's.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:33 pm

SylentEcho wrote:How so? Don't get me wrong, I love Cell, but he could just have 3 forms. Majin Boo could have as many forms as he wanted to based on who he absorbed. Also his personality wasn't one dimensional like Cell's.
Perfect Cell:
- Perfect
- Intelligent
- Stylish
- Educated
- Comical
- Respectable
- Gentle
- Lovely Enemy to Confront
- etc

Boo:
- Pink
- Needs to be told what to do as if he was a child (Once he's Super Boo he got smart due to absorbing, Piccolo and the others)
- Hilarious moments and serious too (my favourite serious was when he saw his dog got shot & Boo got all serious/shocked)

Wakamoto/Clarke really did a magnificent job as Cell, I dare to say I prefer Dameon Clarke to Wakamoto. Wakamoto's still #1 Cell VA.

The second most interesting evil character in Z was Freeza's final form.

If Cell existed in real life he'd probably kill me even if I confessed I was his fan. Well, maybe Freeza would take me as a soldier. :lol:
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Re: Differences between Kai and manga

Post by matt0044 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:56 am

PiscesCaballero wrote:
XD the Nicktoons version just skipped into the Kame House scene(probably to get it faster to the point to the Raditz fight so kids don't get bored of all the filler talk which they likely don't care about).
Uh, yeah it did.

Plus, I wish they reanimated the scenes with filler characters or edited them like NT or Toonzai would with blood or such but better.
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