How powerful would have Gokhan been compared to Vegito?

[Angelus]

Gokhan = Potara fusion of Mystic Gohan and Base Goku. That was the original fusion Old Kai intended before Vegeta had his body restored.

Sure, Mystic Gohan was more powerful than Vegeta, the other half of both fusions but... Mystic Gohan would nullify transformations. Mystic Gohan, being the more powerful half of the Gokahn fusion would have his traits dominant, meaning no transformation. Meaning, if Base Goku and Mystic Gohan fused, Goku won't have access to his SSJ/SSJ2/SSJ3 powers. That would be the assumption on this thread.

By then, how powerful would Vegito be compared to Gokhan?

Vegito has the rival boost, and somehow the slight advantage that Vegeta was having a "spirit body" and not a living physical body. It might somehow be an advantage. Since SSJ3 Goku said he only stayed in SSJ3 longer because of his "spirit body" as compared to if he had a living physical body.

Gokhan won't have a rival boost, but has the advantage of having Mystic Gohan (who is more powerful than both SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Majin Vegeta) as the other half of the fusion.

[Fox666]

I suppose he could have been even stronger than Vegetto.

I don't really see why their fusion would be unable to transform in Super Saiyan. Rou Kaioshin just said Gohan wouldn't need to transform in Super Saiyan, not that it would be impossible. Probably what would happen is that transforming in Super Saiyan would only affect the part of the power that belongs to Goku.

Something like this:

- Goku: 10
--- Super Saiyan 3: 4,000
- Gohan: 10,000

- Goku-Gohan fusion: 10.010
--- Super Saiyan 3: 14,000

(Of course that the Potara fusion is not the sum of powers or anything, but you get it)

[Angelus]

Well, Mystic Gohan tried to go Super Saiyan but he couldn't when Old Kai told him to do it. In the Hirudegarn movie, Gohan also didn't transform to SSJ. Only in GT you'd see he would.... but that's GT, lol.

[InfernalVegito]

I also don't understand the assumption. Why would Goku not be able to use his transformations after fusion? In the end Gokhan would be stronger than Vegetto imo.

[Kaboom]

I think Potara Fusion is too much of a wild card to really know for sure. We've seen that the effects and results can vary greatly depending on who's fusing, how powerful they are in general or in comparison to each other, how different in race or physiology they are, and who knows what else. We can't say for a fact that, "Oh, Gohan's more powerful than Vegeta, so 'Gokan' would be stronger than Vegetto." That's the most likely result, granted, but... yeah.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Personaly, I think he would be weaker. Here is my theory on how Potara works:

I believe that, for the Potara fusion to get the result "A x B = C", the 2 people that merge together must have some conections to each other.
For example, the Potara fusions we saw are these:

Old Kaioshin: A Kaioshin merged with a female witch. Kaioshins are Shin-jin, grenderless and powerful beings, while the witch was an Earthling-like female human with no fighting power. The result was an imperfect fusion that didn't give the result "A x B = C".

Kaioshin: A Kaioshine merged with his Shin-jin assistant. While both of them are the same race, they have different body type, and Kaioshin was much stronger and he was a god. If their battle powers were multiplied, they would be the 2nd strongest being in existance, the other being Vegetto. So, again, the result was an imperfect fusion that didn't give the result "A x B = C".

Gotan: While only hypothetical, Goku believed that merging with Mr. Satan wouldn't raise his power, or that it could even make him weaker. The reason could be that Goku was waaay stronger than Satan, they had different body types, and they were from a different race (Goku is a Saiyan, Satan is an Earthling). So, according to Goku's words, the result would be an imperfect fusion that wouldn't give the result "A x B = C".

Vegetto: Goku and Vegeta merged. Unlike in the previous cases, Goku and Vegeta share a lot of similar and opposite characteristics:
1) They are both Saiyans.
2) They are close in age.
3) They are close in power.
4) They belong in the top of the category of the strongest fighters in the universe.
5) They have similar body type.
6) Their personalities are completely opposite (examples: Goku shows mercy, Vegeta doesn't. Goku cares for the others, Vegeta doesn't (most of the times). Goku is pure, Vegeta isn't.)
7) They are rivals.

So, because of the above, they make a perfect Potara fusion, which gives the result "A x B = C".

If you go by my theory, which also goes by the Super Exiting Guide, they won't get the "A x B" result, since:
1) They belong in (almost) different races (Goku is a Saiyan, while Gohan is a Saiyan/Earthling hybrid)
2) They aren't close in age.
3) They aren't close in power (Base Goku <<<...<<< Base/Ultimate Gohan)
4) Their personalities don't differ a lot, except for their views on fighting.
5) They aren't rivals.

Which would make Vegetto hell a lot stronger.

[Fox666]

Rou Kaioshin comment that "two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged" may suggests that Vegetto is not necessarily the strongest combination.

[Angelus]

I also don't understand the assumption. Why would Goku not be able to use his transformations after fusion? In the end Gokhan would be stronger than Vegetto imo.

Because unlike the Fusion Dance, of which both have to be equal in power, the Potara fusion uses the dominant one as of more of a trait. For example, Old Kai. He's a fusion of the female Old Witch and a Kai. Yet he is dominantly a Kai, in personality and clothing.. and is even still male. Of course that young Kai was more powerful than the Old Witch. And now, Kibito Kai, he's more Supreme Kai than he is Kibito because Supreme Kai was more powerful than Kibito.

So now, if it was a Gokhan, it would be dominantly Mystic Gohan as he is far more powerful than Base Goku. That would most probably mean that his trait of not being able to transform to SSJ might also be the dominant trait.

[Fox666]

He's a fusion of the female Old Witch and a Kai. Yet he is dominantly a Kai, in personality and clothing..

We really don't know what was their personalities before the fusion. And in the manga we don't see what happened to their clothes before after fusion, the clothes he wear now are just the clothes used by those who own the title of Kaioshin.

and is even still male

It seems that, according to the guidebooks, Kaios are genderless, what makes everything even more bizarre. Of course just because he is female or transgender doesn't mean he cannot like woman.

And now, Kibito Kai, he's more Supreme Kai than he is Kibito because Supreme Kai was more powerful than Kibito.

He looks pretty much a mix of both characters to me.

So now, if it was a Gokhan, it would be dominantly Mystic Gohan as he is far more powerful than Base Goku. That would most probably mean that his trait of not being able to transform to SSJ might also be the dominant trait.

Even if it is permanent, Gohan's new powers are still a transformation of sort. I really doubt that if Goku was transformed in Super Saiyan before he merged with Vegeta, somehow Vegetto would look more like Goku than Vegeta because of that.

[Angelus]

He's a fusion of the female Old Witch and a Kai. Yet he is dominantly a Kai, in personality and clothing..

We really don't know what was their personalities before the fusion. And in the manga we don't see what happened to their clothes before after fusion, the clothes he wear now are just the clothes used by those who own the title of Kaioshin.

Young Kai was just as pervy. He was reading a sexy magazine before the Old Witch took the earring. The clothing should've looked like partly the Old Witch's clothes and partly the Kai uniform, just like how Vegito's clothes look partly Goku's and partly Vegeta's.

and is even still male

It seems that, according to the guidebooks, Kaios are genderless, what makes everything even more bizarre. Of course just because he is female or transgender doesn't mean he cannot like woman.
He just seemed male. He looked male and liked the idea of making out with a woman. So I just assumed he was male.

And now, Kibito Kai, he's more Supreme Kai than he is Kibito because Supreme Kai was more powerful than Kibito.

He looks pretty much a mix of both characters to me.

At first look, clothing and skin and hair. But look at the face. It doesn't look like Kibito at all. And the way Kibito Kai talks and acts is completely Supreme Kai. He isn't like Kibito at all. All of Supreme Kai's mannerisms, facial expressions, the way he talks, his carelessness in speaking... and none of Kibito's stiff and serious personality at all.

So now, if it was a Gokhan, it would be dominantly Mystic Gohan as he is far more powerful than Base Goku. That would most probably mean that his trait of not being able to transform to SSJ might also be the dominant trait.

Even if it is permanent, Gohan's new powers are still a transformation of sort. I really doubt that if Goku was transformed in Super Saiyan before he merged with Vegeta, somehow Vegetto would look more like Goku than Vegeta because of that.

It might look more like Goku than Vegeta. Kibito Kai looks more like Supreme Kai. And Old Kai looks more like his Kai self than the Old Witch. Though, in this case, it wouldn't matter much because both "sides" of the fusion can transform, unlike Gohan who seems to have a nullification for transforming.

[Fox666]

It terms of appearance, Rou Kaioshin looks more like the witch than the young Kaioshin we see in that one panel... and after the fusion, Kaioshin has attributes of both Kibito and Kaioshin.

And Gohan is more like an alternate transformation, rather than nullifying the ability to transform.

[Piccolo Daimao]

As far as we know, "Gokhan" can still use Super Saiyan, since when Gokuu asked if they should be SS before they merge, the old Kaioushin (the authority on Potara) didn't say that it'd be impossible, only that it'd cause strain if they were like that permanently and they probably won't even need SS anyway.

Judging by this, and taking into account the result of the old Kaioushin's fusion with the witch (gains her powers, yet still looks male like his former "genderless" self), "Kibitoshin" (Kaioushin was a god who's much stronger, and while the result was stronger, Kibito's characteristics were all but lost), the "rivalry boost" (I still don't know what to think of that), Gokuu's thoughts on a hypothetical "Gotan" (it would only negligibly raise his power or may even decrease it)...I'd say that base "Gokhan" would be slightly stronger than Vegetto, or at least somewhere between Gohan Boo and Super Vegetto. So Super "Gokhan" would definitely be stronger than Super Vegetto.

I just realized: despite not having the weakness of Metamoran fusion requiring two people to have similar height and power (you could argue that Gokuu, Gohan and Vegeta weren't of similar height and power, as Gokuu contemplated using Metamoran fusion with either him or Vegeta, and IIRC, Vegeta's actually shorter than Gokuu, but then, Gokuu hasn't tried it out for himself and maybe they're just close enough) to actually work in the first place, since Potara can smash any old two people together, it doesn't necessarily mean that the end result will be good. I wonder what would happen if two people of dissimilar height and power merged with Metamoran fusion...

[Fox666]

Neither of the cases we have seen are of people with the same height, and in Kaioshin-Kibito case there was a huge difference.

[Angelus]

I just realized: despite not having the weakness of Metamoran fusion requiring two people to have similar height and power (you could argue that Gokuu, Gohan and Vegeta weren't of similar height and power, as Gokuu contemplated using Metamoran fusion with either him or Vegeta, and IIRC, Vegeta's actually shorter than Gokuu, but then, Gokuu hasn't tried it out for himself and maybe they're just close enough) to actually work in the first place, since Potara can smash any old two people together, it doesn't necessarily mean that the end result will be good. I wonder what would happen if two people of dissimilar height and power merged with Metamoran fusion...

For one thing, Goku said in the anime (Funi dub) that you need to be of the same race and relatively the same height for the Fusion dance to work. So a fusion between Krillin and Goku won't work. You need to be "symmetrical", and at such height difference, it won't work. Goku is taller than Vegeta but if Goku were to lean down more, it would still be symmetrical. But for something like a Tien and Chiaotzu fusion dance, the height difference is way too big to make it symmetrical. If it does work, it would be a failed fusion, like a fat or skinny version.

Symmetrical fusions:



Symmetrical fusion even with height difference:



Non-symmetrical fusions because of too much height difference:

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yeah, that's fair enough.

[Rory]

It all depends. It could've been a 'meh' fusion or an impossibly powerful one, depending on one factor; whether Gohan's most recent ability would've been carried over to the fusion. The reason Gohan didn't transform into a Super Saiyan, is that he didn't need to. It's like Rou Dai Kaioshin said, "Transforming isn't everything". Gohan has absolutely ALL of his potential powers right there, without the need to transform, that alone would be MUCH stronger than any form of Super Saiyan. If 'Gokhan' would've had this ability, then why would he EVER need to transform? His power would be beyond comprehension.
Then again, Gokuh would likely need to have the same potential-unlocking ceremony performed on him for this to be the case. That, and Vegetto was powered up more-so because of the rivalry between Gokuh and Vegeta (though how much of a power-up, we can't be sure). I suppose a father-son bond could've gave them a similar kind of power-up, but that's just baseless speculation.
But yeah, 'Gokhan'. That would've been pretty cool.... two Masako Nozawa's speaking right at the same time.... actually, that would've been weird.

[Gonstead]

two Masako Nozawa's speaking right at the same time.... actually, that would've been weird.

As long as no power up screams are performed, I'm okay with this.

[FNF]

I take Elder Kaioshin's line about how Vegetto was 'definitely strongest' literally. In the context it certainly sounds like Goku and Vegeta were the perfect fusees while Goku and Gohan would have been imperfect.

[Rory]

two Masako Nozawa's speaking right at the same time.... actually, that would've been weird.

As long as no power up screams are performed, I'm okay with this.

There's one I'd like to hear:
"Masen-Kamehame-HA!!"

[Piccolo Daimao]

I take Elder Kaioshin's line about how Vegetto was 'definitely strongest' literally. In the context it certainly sounds like Goku and Vegeta were the perfect fusees while Goku and Gohan would have been imperfect.

Except that the old Kaioushin said that "Gokhan" probably wouldn't even need SS to defeat Gohan-Boo, while Vegetto did.