Why Does Vegeta Get away With So Many Murders into DBZ?

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Why Does Vegeta Get away With So Many Murders into DBZ?

Post by Black Mask » Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:03 pm

Honestly I don't understand how Vegeta has Killed At least Like 20 People(Manga or Anime) and people don't seem to care by the end. By all accounts he's My favorite character But None of the other Character's seem to Notice all the way into the Buu saga that he's a brutal murderer.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:09 pm

Only Tenshinhan seems to. At the beginning of the Cell arc, Tenshinhan openly expressed his dislike for Vegeta and that he was still on Earth because he'd killed them, and was surprised that Yamcha could stand living with him.

But I think it's because they had to band together against a common enemy and the Z-Warriors aren't the type to hold grudges. Piccolo, Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Chaozu had been revived, and the other people Vegeta killed weren't known or personal to the Z-Warriors, so they didn't particularly care. There's no use crying over spilt milk, and if any of them tried to get revenge for whatever reason, Vegeta could just kill them, since he's one of the strongest characters.
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Re: Why Does Vegeta Get away With So Many Murders into DBZ?

Post by dprez » Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:14 pm

Goku forgives way too easy, plus Vegeta saved Gohan and Kuririn's life a few times on Namek. At a certain point, Vegeta really did change and become an ally, regardless of what he had done in the past, everyone knew that he was pretty much on there side now. By the time Trunks comes along and we see that Vegeta is indeed human with some good qualities, he had already lost much of his old evil self and had pretty much been excepted as one of Goku's warrior buddies by everyone at this point. Goku just forgives way too easily and everyone just follows suit, knowing he could put Vegeta in check if need be. 8)

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Re: Why Does Vegeta Get away With So Many Murders into DBZ?

Post by Black Mask » Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:16 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Only Tenshinhan seems to. At the beginning of the Cell arc, Tenshinhan openly expressed his dislike for Vegeta and that he was still on Earth because he'd killed them, and was surprised that Yamcha could stand living with him.

But I think it's because they had to band together against a common enemy and the Z-Warriors aren't the type to hold grudges. Piccolo, Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Chaozu had been revived, and the other people Vegeta killed weren't known or personal to the Z-Warriors, so they didn't particularly care. There's no use crying over spilt milk, and if any of them tried to get revenge for whatever reason, Vegeta could just kill them, since he's one of the strongest characters.
Well Vegeta Didn't Kill Ten or the Others Indirectly. I'm taking about Actual Murders Commited By Himself.Nappa, Ginyu Force Members, A few androids and the list goes on.

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Re: Why Does Vegeta Get away With So Many Murders into DBZ?

Post by AgitoZ » Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:29 pm

Black Mask wrote:Well Vegeta Didn't Kill Ten or the Others Indirectly. I'm taking about Actual Murders Commited By Himself.Nappa, Ginyu Force Members, A few androids and the list goes on.
Why would the Z-warriors be angry about Vegeta killing other antagonists?

As for the rest of his murders, my thoughts can probably be summed up by the "last" episode of the DaizenshuuEX podcast.
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Re: Why Does Vegeta Get away With So Many Murders into DBZ?

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:31 pm

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Piccolo Daimao wrote:Only Tenshinhan seems to. At the beginning of the Cell arc, Tenshinhan openly expressed his dislike for Vegeta and that he was still on Earth because he'd killed them, and was surprised that Yamcha could stand living with him.

But I think it's because they had to band together against a common enemy and the Z-Warriors aren't the type to hold grudges. Piccolo, Yamcha, Tenshinhan and Chaozu had been revived, and the other people Vegeta killed weren't known or personal to the Z-Warriors, so they didn't particularly care. There's no use crying over spilt milk, and if any of them tried to get revenge for whatever reason, Vegeta could just kill them, since he's one of the strongest characters.
Well Vegeta Didn't Kill Ten or the Others Indirectly. I'm taking about Actual Murders Commited By Himself.Nappa, Ginyu Force Members, A few androids and the list goes on.
I know, but he was still somewhat responsible, and Tenshinhan can't exactly blame Nappa, who's dead. Everyone pretty much just treats Vegeta as the murderer anyway.

But, as I said, why would anyone give a shit about Nappa, the Ginyuu Special-Squad, the Androids, people that the Z-Warriors didn't know nor had any reason to cry over? Many of them were enemies. I don't understand why this is such a difficult thing for you to wrap your head around.
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Re: Why Does Vegeta Get away With So Many Murders into DBZ?

Post by GotenDaisuki » Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:33 pm

AgitoZ wrote:Why would the Z-warriors be angry about Vegeta killing other antagonists?
Goku was angry at Vegeta for killing antagonists that could no longer put up a fair fight for a while. But yeah, Goku does forgive too easily, getting over it really quickly.
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Post by Black Mask » Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:35 pm

AgitoZ wrote:
Black Mask wrote:Well Vegeta Didn't Kill Ten or the Others Indirectly. I'm taking about Actual Murders Commited By Himself.Nappa, Ginyu Force Members, A few androids and the list goes on.
Why would the Z-warriors be angry about Vegeta killing other antagonists?

As for the rest of his murders, my thoughts can probably be summed up by the "last" episode of the DaizenshuuEX podcast.
Yeah But People Seem to Say Vegeta Developed the Most through out the Series But I really Didn't see the change. I mean He purposely Let Himself Be Succumbed To Babidi's Magic.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:36 pm

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AgitoZ wrote:Why would the Z-warriors be angry about Vegeta killing other antagonists?
Goku was angry at Vegeta for killing antagonists that could no longer put up a fair fight for a while. But yeah, Goku does forgive too easily, getting over it really quickly.
And it's not as if Gokuu really cared about Recoom or Jheese. They weren't personal to him or anything. It'd be laughable if Gokuu was still angry at Vegeta in the Cell arc for killing people he'd only known for, like, five minutes, had beaten up his friends and wanted to kill him.
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Post by funrush » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:35 pm

They do care, but kind of. Like in the Namek Saga, where Vegeta kills Recoom and Butta, Goku has an "Oh, crap" moment, and kind of lectures Vegeta off, but he doesn't get angry at him. Same thing happened at the Budokai.

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Post by Hades » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:37 pm

I don't think Enma forgot, since Vegeta mentioned being dead and being sent to hell in the Buu Saga (IIRC).
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Post by Attitudefan » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:14 pm

I guess you have to put it in this perspective: are you angry that someone you know went to war and killed people? That's the way I look at it. Vegeta did what he had to at the time and he enjoyed it.
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Post by Rory » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:16 pm

Vegeta has a lot more than '20' people under the murder-belt, and that's before he even shows up. Considering he used to commit mass genocide for the majority of his upbringing, it's not so far-fetched to believe he's capable of doing it again.
He's strong, on the good guys side (sort of) and Gokuh wants a rival. That's why he gets away with it.

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Post by penguintruth » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:20 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Only Tenshinhan seems to. At the beginning of the Cell arc, Tenshinhan openly expressed his dislike for Vegeta and that he was still on Earth because he'd killed them, and was surprised that Yamcha could stand living with him.
Yamucha should be outraged at living with Vegeta, but Tenshinhan and Chaozu essentially committed suicide, so they've got nothing to bitch about.
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Post by Jackal puFF » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:24 pm

Some of the characters did care, but I don't think they could have done anything about it. They had a bigger problem, which were the androids. Plus they wouldn't be able to take Vegeta down without the help of Goku or Piccolo.

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Post by son veku » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:37 pm

On Namek he killed like 40 innocent namekians
a lot more than 20 people.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:51 pm

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Piccolo Daimao wrote:Only Tenshinhan seems to. At the beginning of the Cell arc, Tenshinhan openly expressed his dislike for Vegeta and that he was still on Earth because he'd killed them, and was surprised that Yamcha could stand living with him.
Yamucha should be outraged at living with Vegeta, but Tenshinhan and Chaozu essentially committed suicide, so they've got nothing to bitch about.
Well, Yamcha's a pussy, and no-one but Tenshinhan held any grudges about it anymore, since they were revived. And if you're going to say that Tenshinhan and Chaozu have nothing to bitch about because they essentially committed suicide, you could say the same thing for Yamcha, since he was technically killed by the Saibaimen, not Vegeta or even Nappa.

But Vegeta was still technically responsible for their deaths. If he hadn't persuaded Nappa to travel to Earth and collect the DBs, then Yamcha wouldn't have had to die via the Saibaimen that they planted, Chaozu wouldn't have had to self-destruct trying to kill Vegeta's comrade Nappa, and Tenshinhan wouldn't have had to die trying to kill Vegeta's comrade Nappa. It all comes back down to Vegeta, at least from a story perspective.
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Post by penguintruth » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:01 pm

Bah, Tenshinhan is just a sore loser.
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Post by Eire » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:08 pm

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Vegeta in that case seems to be similar to Koga from Inuyasha- since he turned to be one of us and possible love interest nobody cares about unnamed victims.
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Post by Michsi » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:31 pm

As it has been stated, Goku forgives way to easily, it would have been odd for Piccolo to accuse Vegeta of something he might have done too not long ago ( and I've never really had the impression that Piccolo, even after he became a good guy, was much about protecting the innocent before he fused with Kami ) and the others didn't really have much of a choice. I seriously don't think Tenshinhan was the only who disliked him, he was the just only one who voiced it out loud.

Seriously, I'm far more annoyed at them letting Vegeta get away with all the stupid mistakes he made and how they made everything worse.

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