Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Maphisto86]

On Nappa's age it occurred to me that he and the other Saiyan cliche are likely the rulers of whatever is left of Freeza's empire. If Freeza and Cooler's underlings could barely age due to their medical know how then it stands to reason in this context that Nappa, Vegeta, Kakarotto and Raditz have access to similar treatment. Still I would like to see how Saiyan's age but I guess Salagir and/or Gogeta Jr preferred not to change Nappa or Raditz to avoid confusion or messing with a character's look too much.

[Hellspawn28]

I wonder if it's possible that they did end up being immortal in Universe 13? But they most likely join the tournament for the Dragon Balls, so I doubt they are immortals at the same time. I guess if we get a special for Universe 13 then we should find out.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

About Bardock's age:

Why is Baddack so much younger than old King Vegeta? Their relative sons are the same age... Here is my explanation:

We all know Saiyans keep their youth for a loooong time. Lets say they become senile in a few years after that,
Goku and Vegeta are today 55 and 61 years old! (Approx. Note that Goku spent 1+7 years dead and 1 year in The Room of Spirit and Time, so physically he is 48 years old, and Vegeta is physically 63! (bam! :p) ).

Now lets guess the ages of Baddack and the old king (there are certainly sources for that, but I don't care).
Let's say Baddack had Raditz at 20, and Kakarotto at 22. That's believable.
Let's say old King Vegeta had Vegeta at 40. It's believable too, as Saiyans this age are still young.

In DBM, the previous King Vegeta is 101, and Baddack 77. It's a 24 years difference.

Goku's age: 12 (age he told on 1st tournament) + 3 + 3 (time between tournaments) + 5 (time between DB and DBZ) + 1 (dead) + 1 (on Yardrat) + 3 (train for cyborgs) + 7 (dead) + 20 (Uub's age).
Vegeta's age: 6 years older than Goku.

BTW, there are scources about King Vegeta's & Bardock's ages?

[rereboy]

First off, let me clarify by saying that I don't think Nappa has to look as decrepit as King Vegeta in that page. But, since he is a minimum of 82 years old, you'd think the process would have started and he'd have a few extra wrinkles or some salt and pepper in his mustache, even for Salagir logic. I never said its impossible to be true, just highly improbable.

Anyway, even without DBO's info, Nappa and Bardock's appearances in this manga are still pushing the beleivability of the general statement on Saiyan aging from the manga and slightly clearer version in the Daizenshuu.

- The average human lifespan is currently about 70 years, though we'll bump it to 100 for arguments sake.
- The Multiverse tournament occurs in Age 794, 10 years after manga finishes.
- Baring special circumstances (like Goku's time dead), all the familiar pure blooded Saiyans at the tournament are at least 57 because they were around before Goku was born.
- Daizenshuu 7 says Nappa was in his 50's when he died, so his possible birth years range Age 703 to Age 712. This means he is at least 82 and at max 91.

This would leave a gap of 8-18 years for them to start deteriorating. 82 is at least easier to believe, but there is also a chance that Nappa is 91. Having him still look the same at that age is about as hard to swallow as most of the crappy villain specials they've given us and Salagirs other pointless power changes, multiplier changes, the Broli fiasco, etc.

According to Herms' Timeline, Nappa and Bardock should be just about the same age. That is coherent in DBM.

As far as I can see, there is no age given for Vegeta's father but I think its a safe assumption that he must be older since Vegeta is older than Goku, but not much older. That is also coherent in DBM, apparently.

We have no real idea how Saiyans age. We only know that they stay in their prime much longer, even though their life expectancy is similar to humans. Which means two things:

- Their life expectancy doesn't have to be exactly the same, only similar. It could be a tad longer, we just don't know (also, about life expectancy... The only life expectancy that is relevant is the one that only includes deaths by old age, not by accidents, deceases and other things. 70 years is only correct when you include other sources besides deaths by old age. If only deaths by old age are considered, human life expectancy is easily in the mid or late 90s since currently in Japan, for example, overall, the life expectancy is in the 80s, including deaths of all sorts. If we only consider deaths by old age, the expectancy increases substantially).
- At some point, they will start to physically age very fast. We don't know when this starts and we also don't know just how fast they age when they reach this point and we also don't know how they look immediately before reaching that point (if they already have wrinkles and some white hair before reaching that point or if they only gain those signs of old age when they reach that point. In the end of the manga, Goku and Vegeta don't seem to have wrinkles or white hair despite their age so this is a pertinent question to which we don't know the answer).

So... How exactly is DBM pushing the believability?

By making Vegeta's father older than Nappa? No problem there. It seems correct or at the very least plausible.

By making Nappa and Bardock about the same age? No problem there. It seems correct or at the very least plausible.

By making Nappa look much younger than Vegeta's father despite not having that much age difference? We don't know when their accelerated aging starts or how fast it is, if they even get wrinkles and white hair before that point and its perfectly believable that their accelerated aging process could only start in their mid or late 80s for all we know due to every factor that I have stated previously (regarding human and saiyan life expectancy and the fact that we don't know when it starts and how fast it is).

Even you admit that Nappa can be 82 years old in DBM, which makes it perfectly coherent, as long as we believe that their accelerated aging process typically starts at their mid to late 80s and there is nothing anywhere that says that that is impossible, especially considering that on average a human will typically only die of old age in his 90s and Saiyans could last a tad longer than that for all we know. And since we don't know just how old a Saiyan is supposed to look just before the accelerated aging process starts, if he even gets wrinkles and white hair before that, is all seems pretty coherent.

In my opinion, DBM offers a perfectly valid and very plausible interpretation of the matter without addressing it directly. There's nothing impossible or incorrect about it. You just prefer another view, based on your opinion, that has no more foundations in the series than DBM's view. So... I think its not pushing the believability any more than you are.

P.S.: Also, despite not being very apparent in Nappa's design, Goku mentions at the start of the tournament that Nappa is now quite old. So, in universe, his appearance did age, even though not as much as we would expect if he was human. Maybe he has wrinkles and such but they simply aren't very visible in his design. So, even if you think that Nappa should look older, apparently, in universe, he does look older, its just not very apparent in the design.

[Hades]

On another subject, it looks like we may be getting a Universe 1 special, with Bibidi as the focus.

[rereboy]

On another subject, it looks like we may be getting a Universe 1 special, with Bibidi as the focus.

Yes, and so far the art is awesome

[Hades]

wait a second...

I would like the next special about something relatively unexplored, like Universe 1 (how the Kaioshins stopped Bibidi would be quite interesting) or how Babidi managed to retain control of Buu in Universe 11.

Called it /popo

[dprez]

Maybe an 80 year old Nappa looks like a 50 year old human. Although since human and saiyan life spans are similar, having him look like what he does to aging into an old geezer in only 20 or so years seams a little farfetched... but hey, this is Dragon Ball Multiverse, let's roll with it.

[funrush]

Well... shit.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Poor Butta! I can't stop laughing!

[Kingdom Heartless]

SPLATCH!

High fiving Saiyans, an upset Freeza and exploding heads makes for a great page.

Wouldn't it be great if Butta was Ginyu's new home and all the fuss was for naught?

[funrush]

Wouldn't it be great if Butta was Ginyu's new home and all the fuss was for naught?

Yes!

[Hellspawn28]

It sucks that we didn't get Freeza fight. We all know that Goku is going to beat #17 but the fight should still be fun to watch. Goku is likely going to defeated #17 in his base form.

[Scarz]

The recent three pages makes up for the terrible Star Wars music gag.

[rereboy]

It sucks that we didn't get Freeza fight. We all know that Goku is going to beat #17 but the fight should still be fun to watch. Goku is likely going to defeated #17 in his base form.

Salagir doesn't believe that Goku ever surpassed with his base form the power that he had when he first got the SSJ transformation. Might have gotten close, but it didn't surpass it (and the same for the other Saiyans... Their current base form doesn't surpass any SSJ form that they had in the manga).

Following that logic, it would be impossible for Goku to beat #17 with his base form, unless #17 has really become much weaker. We'll just have to wait to see.

[Insertclevername]

I wonder what the Ginyu force did in those 20 something years but it looks like Freeza can't put up with them the way he did on Namek.

[Dorexx]

Butter shouldn't be reduced to this. He's special, not just some random Freeza soldier.

I hope Freeza didn't just kill him because of anger. Maybe he suspected him of being Ginyu.

[Scarz]

Butter shouldn't be reduced to this. He's special, not just some random Freeza soldier.

I hope Freeza didn't just kill him because of anger. Maybe he suspected him of being Ginyu.

Nope, that seemed like pure anger to me. Freeza probably couldn't care less if he was Ginyu are not. As for Butta, in the grand scheme of things, he's not that special. Sure he was part of the Ginyu force but as soon as Goku came along he might as well be another random soldier.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Butter shouldn't be reduced to this. He's special, not just some random Freeza soldier.

I hope Freeza didn't just kill him because of anger. Maybe he suspected him of being Ginyu.

Nope, that seemed like pure anger to me. Freeza probably couldn't care less if he was Ginyu are not. As for Butta, in the grand scheme of things, he's not that special. Sure he was part of the Ginyu force but as soon as Goku came along he might as well be another random soldier.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Freeza classes all his henchmen as expendables. Dodoria and Zarbon are his personal assistants and even higher than the Ginyuu Special-Squad, but he didn't care when Dodoria didn't return from chasing the Earthlings and just nonchalantly said that they should look for the next DB. And he threatened to kill Zarbon if he didn't come back with the DBs that Vegeta had stolen.

So yes, Freeza was pissed off that Nappa was freely taunting him and that he couldn't destroy him in revenge, so he had to let out that frustration by killing Butta, the first person that approached him.

[Kingdom Heartless]

It sucks that we didn't get Freeza fight. We all know that Goku is going to beat #17 but the fight should still be fun to watch. Goku is likely going to defeated #17 in his base form.

Salagir doesn't believe that Goku ever surpassed with his base form the power that he had when he first got the SSJ transformation. Might have gotten close, but it didn't surpass it (and the same for the other Saiyans... Their current base form doesn't surpass any SSJ form that they had in the manga).

Following that logic, it would be impossible for Goku to beat #17 with his base form, unless #17 has really become much weaker. We'll just have to wait to see.

Fair enough, I don't believe he reached that level in base either. Not unless the 50x multiplier was abandoned after its initial appearance.