Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

[Bussani]

What I meant is I don't know the extent to which he can slow down a character from their original speed. It's all well and good if he can slow someone who moves at the speed of sound to make them take hundreds of years to blink but what about much faster characters?

I see. But even if we assume a person was a hundred times faster than the speed of sound to begin with, that's still a year (or years) to blink. I can only guess how fast Dragon Ball characters are supposed to be, but even if this was the limit of what Wally could do (which it probably isn't), it's still pretty extreme.

[SuppaSaiyanNerd]

I'm sorry for interrupting the current conversation, but since someone mentioned that the Star Wars Expanded Universe gives the Jedi and Sith some crazyass powers, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A07WNupEXk. This version of Mace Windu could actually challenge a Z-Fighter, if you ask me.

[Hellspawn28]

Speaking of Star Wars, who is the strongest DB character that Darth Nihilus can beat? I remember that he was able to survived the partial fragmentation of Malachor V. So he should able to defeat Nappa, Radditz and Saiya-jin Saga Vegeta. I guess he could make it up to Freeza but I'm not sure how he can kill him since I remember that his spirit is the only thing that inhabits his armor.

[Hitiro]

I see. But even if we assume a person was a hundred times faster than the speed of sound to begin with, that's still a year (or years) to blink. I can only guess how fast Dragon Ball characters are supposed to be, but even if this was the limit of what Wally could do (which it probably isn't), it's still pretty extreme.

Well Akira in did say in one of his interviews that they were moving faster than light at the end of Z so I can only assume he's on about them in their SSJ transformations otherwise they would be gods if they were moving at that speed in their base forms.

I'm sorry for interrupting the current conversation, but since someone mentioned that the Star Wars Expanded Universe gives the Jedi and Sith some crazyass powers, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A07WNupEXk. This version of Mace Windu could actually challenge a Z-Fighter, if you ask me.

What Z-Fighters are we talking about and around what time in the story? I could possibly agree with you if we were talking 22nd Budokai, or maybe 23rd, as Goku and the others were considerably slower then, anything past that and I'm not sure. Goku ran Snake Way in 170 ish days (Can't remember the exact number, it might be 177) and the distance was 625,000 miles he'd have to be moving at 147 mph (236.57 kmh). The trip back took 2 days so he was moving at 13,020 mph (20953.66 kmh) so he was pushing almost double the speed of sound.

[Bussani]

Well Akira in did say in one of his interviews that they were moving faster than light at the end of Z

Which interview? I don't remember that.

Goku ran Snake Way in 170 ish days (Can't remember the exact number, it might be 177)

It should have been around 183, but close enough.

The trip back took 2 days so he was moving at 13,020 mph (20953.66 kmh) so he was pushing almost double the speed of sound.

I think it might have been slightly less than the two days Kaio estimated (like a day and a half), but again, it's close enough. The speed of sound is only about 768 miles per hour, though, so Goku's speed coming back along Serpent Road is more like Mach 17--quite a bit more than double the speed of sound.

[Hellspawn28]

I'm pretty sure AT never said anything about the characters are faster then light at the end of the series. I think some fans don't get how fast faster then the speed of light is?

[Hitiro]

Well Akira in did say in one of his interviews that they were moving faster than light at the end of Z

Which interview? I don't remember that.

I'm pretty sure AT never said anything about the characters are faster then light at the end of the series. I think some fans don't get how fast faster then the speed of light is?

My bad, AT mentioned that they were moving at the speed of light by the end of DBZ in an interview in Super Otaku Magazine Issue #297, I've heard that this magazine may not be real and that the interviews were made up but he says it in there. If anybody knows whether this is true or not someone can correct me.

[Kiyza]

My bad, AT mentioned that they were moving at the speed of light by the end of DBZ in an interview in Super Otaku Magazine Issue #297, I've heard that this magazine may not be real and that the interviews were made up but he says it in there. If anybody knows whether this is true or not someone can correct me.

Super Otaku Magazine is one of those long enduring rumors in the Dragon Ball fandom. There is no Super Otaku Magazine, and all content supposedly from it is the result of some fan on the internet trying to convince other fans that what he/she says is, in fact, correct. So no, Toriyama has never stated that Dragon Ball characters are faster than light, and there's little if any evidence to support the notion that they're moving at such speeds.

[Bussani]

Ah, this "interview". It's pretty blatantly fake for a number of reasons--chief among them being that it seems to take place in the middle of the Buu arc, yet talks about Dragon Ball ending after it. People weren't told the manga was ending in advance.

[Hitiro]

I stand corrected then, oh well.

[mistershin]

Well Akira in did say in one of his interviews that they were moving faster than light at the end of Z

Which interview? I don't remember that.

Goku ran Snake Way in 170 ish days (Can't remember the exact number, it might be 177)

It should have been around 183, but close enough.

The trip back took 2 days so he was moving at 13,020 mph (20953.66 kmh) so he was pushing almost double the speed of sound.

I think it might have been slightly less than the two days Kaio estimated (like a day and a half), but again, it's close enough. The speed of sound is only about 768 miles per hour, though, so Goku's speed coming back along Serpent Road is more like Mach 17--quite a bit more than double the speed of sound.

11:43AM is the time that the saiyans arrive on Earth, Vegeta waits 3 hours for Goku.
Goku left a day prior, hence approx 27 hours.

Snakeway is 1,000,000 KM
Goku travels it in 27 Hours
Goku travelled Snakeway with speed of Mach 31 over 27 hours.
Power level 5,000

(time & distance = speed)
27 hours + 1,000,000km = 10,288 m/s or Mach 31

Kaioken boost stats linearly. KKx2 = Mach 62, KKx3 = 93, KKx4 = 124.

[Bussani]

Yeah, that all seems right. My "day and a half" was a slight overestimation.

[Kiyza]

11:43AM is the time that the saiyans arrive on Earth, Vegeta waits 3 hours for Goku.
Goku left a day prior, hence approx 27 hours.

Snakeway is 1,000,000 KM
Goku travels it in 27 Hours
Goku travelled Snakeway with speed of Mach 31 over 27 hours.
Power level 5,000

(time & distance = speed)
27 hours + 1,000,000km = 10,288 m/s or Mach 31

Kaioken boost stats linearly. KKx2 = Mach 62, KKx3 = 93, KKx4 = 124.

Well, it boost battle power linearly. That doesn't necessarily mean that it boosts all of your physical attributes linearly when we're talking about physical strength and speed in terms of numbers. I can't think of too many instances where numbers (other than battle powers, like how many tons the characters can bench for instance) are actually used in the first place with regards to strength. I don't think we can definitively say that that battle power corresponds to real world measurements of strength.

[sonikku956]

Um, Fully Realized Avatar Aang vs. Kaioken x3 Son Goku

[Beji]

Um, Fully Realized Avatar Aang vs. Kaioken x3 Son Goku

I think the powers are too great apart in those. Try Goku just at the start of Z and I think it would maybe be a fair fight. Even in the avatar state he couldn't move close to that fast so lets think "fully realized" would (I'm being generous) triples his speed and power it still doesn't compare to Goku after coming back from Snake way so a kaioken X3 one would be overkill.

[Hellspawn28]

From what I can remember in Avatar: TLAB that the characters are glass cannon, so I doubt anyone would be strong enough to take a punch from Goku. Not to mention weaker characters like Piccolo Daimao can casually destroy cities, so someone like Piccolo Daimao could solo all of Avatar: TLAB.

[vegetaslegacy15]

The thing with the Star Wars expanded universe is that Luke Skywalker became so powerful he literally could withstand the pull of a black hole and stay in place just by using the force.
His nephew, Jacen Solo, was crazy powerful to by the time he died.
So the movie versions of Luke Skywalker and Obi-won and Vader probably could never stand a chance against the Z fighters. But some of the characters in the expanded universe, which most of you have probably never heard of since your not a Star Wars nerd like me, could conceivably challange them.

[Bussani]

The thing with the Star Wars expanded universe is that Luke Skywalker became so powerful he literally could withstand the pull of a black hole and stay in place just by using the force.

That sounds impressive, but it really depends on how close you are to the black hole. If our sun became a black hole right this second, Earth would keep orbiting it the same way it does now. Presumably it is meant to be a big deal, though, or the story wouldn't make a big deal out of it!

[songohan619]

Rock Lee with "Fifth Gate" opened VS 23rd Saiyan Saga Krillin
Lucario from Pokèmon VS 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Tenshinhan
Luffy VS First Form Cell
Zoro VS Trunks when he fights Freeza
Sonic VS Burter
Doctor Nefarious VS Pilaf
Goofy VS Oolong

[MisguidedGhost]

How about Edward Elric (end of FMA:B) vs Goku (beginning of DB)?