I stopped watching the dub after the Cell arc, so I barely remember any of Faulconer Productions' musical compositions, especially given that I was never a fan in the first place. But that means I have next to no familiarity with anything after that. But in the Unpopular DB Opinions thread, Piccolo Daimao mentioned he thought the Ocean cast Goten and Trunks were better than FUNimation's cast, so I decided to look up a clip to see what I thought. I should also mention that, for the first time in at least four years, I just finished a playthrough of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Imagine my shock when the first clip I happen to pick had, to me at least, an uncanny resemblance to that game's Water Temple theme, the flutes in particular. Does anyone else get that vibe from this, or am I going crazy?
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Faulconer BGM Channeling Ocarina of Time Water Temple?
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No, you're not going crazy. I can definitely hear it, too. That's so weird! 
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Whoa, first Kenji Yamamoto plagiarised and now Faulconer Productions (US-DBZ music) this doesn't look pretty, but liked the FP-version anyway.
The original composer of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z (Mr. Kikuchi) seemed to produce BGMs with a touch of James Bond music's style. Loved it.
The original composer of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z (Mr. Kikuchi) seemed to produce BGMs with a touch of James Bond music's style. Loved it.
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Ok, just so you know, Team Faulconer was not plagiarizing there. What you're hearing is a remix of a song that's literally been around since the first episode they ever did. Here it is if you're curious...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX_zE03gksE
However, there WAS one that Scott Morgan plagiarized once, which was Grand Kai's theme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX_zE03gksE
However, there WAS one that Scott Morgan plagiarized once, which was Grand Kai's theme.
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Re: Faulconer BGM Channeling Ocarina of Time Water Temple?
Well, I was referring mostly to the flute section, which seems absent from the piece you linked to. And even were that present in that track, and therefore a nod to what I linked to, season 3 began in 1999, and therefore so would your linked music. Ocarina of Time came out a year earlier, so it could easily have been inspired by that. And note I said inspired by, as it still seems distant enough that it's not quite the same melody... just eerily similar.
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Link?Fionordequester wrote:
However, there WAS one that Scott Morgan plagiarized once, which was Grand Kai's theme.
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Hmm...just so you know, Scott Morgan himself admitted to this when I was going on in the "General Yamamoto Rip-off" thread about how wonderful the Team Faulconer score was, and saying stuff like "say what you want about Team Faulconer, at least they never PLAGIARIZED anything"...then Scott posted in both Grand Elder Kai's theme and the song he ripped it off from in the thread. Anyways, here it is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seE5nA-Z2vE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABGHGLvkPcY
It's not a DIRECT ripoff, but, Scott uses a lot of the same...progressions, I think you call them. That's the right term for it, right? Anyways, the pitch is different, the song is much shorter, and their aren't any lyrics, but I can see the resemblance.
And honestly, it's not really a huge deal to me. I always just sort of chalk it up to Scott being EXTREMELY stressed and overworked. After all, this was only a few days before he left FaulconerProductions because relations between him and Bruce Faulconer, quote "reached a point of no return"...I'm just saying though, there was a song that was ripped off for the Team Faulconer score. It just wasn't the one that Gaffer Tape linked to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seE5nA-Z2vE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABGHGLvkPcY
It's not a DIRECT ripoff, but, Scott uses a lot of the same...progressions, I think you call them. That's the right term for it, right? Anyways, the pitch is different, the song is much shorter, and their aren't any lyrics, but I can see the resemblance.
And honestly, it's not really a huge deal to me. I always just sort of chalk it up to Scott being EXTREMELY stressed and overworked. After all, this was only a few days before he left FaulconerProductions because relations between him and Bruce Faulconer, quote "reached a point of no return"...I'm just saying though, there was a song that was ripped off for the Team Faulconer score. It just wasn't the one that Gaffer Tape linked to.
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Yeah, I can hear some resemblance between the two of them but it's not up to the level of Yamamoto plagiarizing.
I'd call it more of an inspiration type of thing and not directly stealing anything.
I'd call it more of an inspiration type of thing and not directly stealing anything.
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Re: Faulconer BGM Channeling Ocarina of Time Water Temple?
Well, I'm just going off of what Scott told me. He seemed to think it was though...I dunno, maybe he's just a really humble guy? I will agree that it's not that bad, even though he used this...
....as his emoticon when posting the links.
....as his emoticon when posting the links.
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Hey guys, as for the Zelda reference. It wasn't deliberate. It's correct that it's a really old piece (probably Mike) with some flute thrown up top.
That flute clip actually was something I added in back in the Cell Saga. I think it was for a shot of 16 and some butterflies or something (similar to 16 and the Squirrels... )
At the time I hadn't heard the Zelda music, and even now I'm barely familiar with it. So yeah I agree it is similar, but its not deliberate or even subconscious.
The Blue Jean Blues thing...uhhh....the Grand Kai pieces were the only time I deliberately referenced anything in the DBZ scores.... It was kinda necessary since Grand Kai is essentially Billy Gibbons. Blue Jean Blues was just perfect...so I tried to change it enough but yeah it's really similar.
Grand Kai Rocks was inspired from this btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1rQ8ycJEWQ
well, a lot of it, especially the synths and electronic percussion. I mixed in a few other common ZZ Top ideas.
Here's Grand Kai rocks, where the guitars get dropped:
http://youtu.be/BOJq9uWVOD0?t=50s
That flute clip actually was something I added in back in the Cell Saga. I think it was for a shot of 16 and some butterflies or something (similar to 16 and the Squirrels... )
At the time I hadn't heard the Zelda music, and even now I'm barely familiar with it. So yeah I agree it is similar, but its not deliberate or even subconscious.
The Blue Jean Blues thing...uhhh....the Grand Kai pieces were the only time I deliberately referenced anything in the DBZ scores.... It was kinda necessary since Grand Kai is essentially Billy Gibbons. Blue Jean Blues was just perfect...so I tried to change it enough but yeah it's really similar.
Grand Kai Rocks was inspired from this btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1rQ8ycJEWQ
well, a lot of it, especially the synths and electronic percussion. I mixed in a few other common ZZ Top ideas.
Here's Grand Kai rocks, where the guitars get dropped:
http://youtu.be/BOJq9uWVOD0?t=50s
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