DBZKai's Nicktoons Vs Cartoon Network Debate.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Sorry to make YET ANOTHER thread about this subject. But this has been burning in my insides for quite long.

So long in fact, that this was just going to be an angry rant where I was going to go bananas on the "WE WANT KAI ON CN. NICKTOONS SUCKS" faction. But a voice in my mind said "Wait". And I decided that to make this more than a blind rant (That would have gotten me banned on first post).

And Now.... the topic to end it all.... NICKTOONS VS CN.

First things first.

EDITING.
This is the number one complaint people make about Nicktoons, and the one where there's a tie with CN.Yes ,a tie. Because admit it. Cartoon Network would have edited the show too.e Dragon Ball Z Kai is waaaaaay too brutal to make it to American Television unscathed. Okay, CN would have probably given it a PG V rating and called it a day. And yes, even on Y7 they allow A LOT like Blood and the like. But get this: Nicktoons edited the show to the extent they did so they could air it on Daytime without problems,marathon it and give it all the love it deserves (More on this in EXPOSURE). And for all the editing they did, they have also showed MAJOR balls.

Next in Line comes....

EXPOSURE AND RATINGS.
This is where Nicktoons beats CN By a landslide. True, in the golden age of Toonami, CN LOVED DBZ. But times have changed and CN is not what it used to be. In today's CN DBZKai would have found itself in a lone slot on saturday mornings at best. Nicktoons? Even now after it finished, they still air it quite trigger happily on weekdays like Toonami of old.This is why Nicktoons had to edit it so much.

And you might say: "Well, DBZKai doesnt get as much ratings as it would have on CN!"

Okay this is where it gets complicated.
On Nicktoons DBKai stands alone as the highest rated show Nicktoons has ever had with 750.000 viewers at its prime. However that's with a lot of promotion and careful scheduling. CN would have probably just put it on saturday mornings without any promotion and it would have sunk like all anime post Toonami.

Thus I think DBZKai was quite lucky to get rejected by CN! Nicktoons makes a much better home for it. But that's just me, what do you think?

[SRB2Unleashed]

Actually, I think CN would treat DBZKai well. I mean, it's DBZ. Their highest rated show was the Dragon Ball series. They would air it everyday probably. Even not, they coulda stuck it on Friday Nights or even created a new action block just to have it be it's main attraction. They definetly would've made multiple promos. They would've treated it well.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I know, but times have changed and right now their highest rated shows are

-Regular Show
-Adventure Time
-The Amazing World of Gumball.

However,you might also be right. We may never know how CN would have treated Kai.

[matt0044]

Actually, I think CN would treat DBZKai well. I mean, it's DBZ. Their highest rated show was the Dragon Ball series. They would air it everyday probably. Even not, they coulda stuck it on Friday Nights or even created a new action block just to have it be it's main attraction. They definetly would've made multiple promos. They would've treated it well.

Unfortunately, they don't seem to care anymore. If that was so, why did they NOT jump at the chance to air it?

[SRB2Unleashed]

Actually, I think CN would treat DBZKai well. I mean, it's DBZ. Their highest rated show was the Dragon Ball series. They would air it everyday probably. Even not, they coulda stuck it on Friday Nights or even created a new action block just to have it be it's main attraction. They definetly would've made multiple promos. They would've treated it well.

Unfortunately, they don't seem to care anymore. If that was so, why did they NOT jump at the chance to air it?

Well I'm saying had fate been different and they DID pick it up.

I mean Snyder must've been like 'DBZ Kai...looks good...WAIT IT'S AN ANIME?! No toy line?! Get the hell out of here'

Then at Nicktoons: 'DBZ Kai? Didn't have Cartoon Network have the Dragon Ball series? Hell yeah time to steal some ratings give us GT and a few movies too'

[Cure Dragon 255]

Yeah. Its REALLY sad.

But hopefully now that DBZKai and Korra were such big hits for nick they might get more anime on Nicktoons.

[dbboxkaifan]

Yeah. Its REALLY sad.

But hopefully now that DBZKai and Korra were such big hits for nick they might get more anime on Nicktoons.

The American audience/fans seem to know only little about the original Dragon Ball series, so it'd be a great anime show for Nicktoons to pick up just to be consistent (they already aired DBK + DBGT + Films/Specials) and show how Dragon Ball series commenced/born.

[matt0044]

Yeah. Its REALLY sad.

But hopefully now that DBZKai and Korra were such big hits for nick they might get more anime on Nicktoons.

The American audience/fans seem to know only little about the original Dragon Ball series, so it'd be a great anime show for Nicktoons to pick up just to be consistent (they already aired DBK + DBGT + Films/Specials) and show how Dragon Ball series commenced/born.

Yeah, but considering Dragon Ball's "classy" humor, I'm not sure how things would go in editing.

As for other Anime, SGT Frog is tame enough to have little edits in content that would likely be barely noticeable and humor that'd definitely bust a gut or two (it nearly did for me) so 10/11 years old could be allowed to watch it. The Anime references could be kept since they can make it clear that it takes place in Japan and it's satirical like the Animaniacs. Fairy Tail is debatable due to Lucy's... figure and whatnot.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Simple! Just edit stuff! They did it with DBZKai,they can do it with DB.

[matt0044]

Simple! Just edit stuff! They did it with DBZKai,they can do it with DB.

I guess they could reduce the sexual gags to innuendos by visually editing. Though I think they should redub the series since some VAs would be needed to censor some lines.

[SaiyamanMS]

Wasn't Dragon Ball already edited for it's Cartoon Network broadcast in 2003 or whenever it was? After all, they're reusing the same GT edit from CN after all. (Hence why the kids of today must be tortured with the "music" of Mark Menza. If it was a new edit, they could use Akihito Tokunaga's score like the season sets.)

[Cure Dragon 255]

Yeah. They could use those edited masters with no problem!

[Pokewhiz7]

Wasn't Dragon Ball already edited for it's Cartoon Network broadcast in 2003 or whenever it was? After all, they're reusing the same GT edit from CN after all. (Hence why the kids of today must be tortured with the "music" of Mark Menza. If it was a new edit, they could use Akihito Tokunaga's score like the season sets.)

Why "music?" It is music, no matter how low-quality you or I may think it is.

[SaiyamanMS]

Why "music?" It is music, no matter how low-quality you or I may think it is.

... True. I'm just so cynical about GT's American score that I generally prefer to think of it as "noise".

[Cure Dragon 255]

Wow...It must be REALLY bad.

[dbboxkaifan]

The Nicktoons Kai version got licenced to other countries such as Brazil, Mexico, and couple of others.

As for the edits, they're pretty good most of it was kept only the kicks and punches, blood and whatnot was slightly edited for the younger audience to not be offended (or their parents).

It's fine for them to buy Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, Grand Theft Auto 4, Red Dead Redemption but once they see a tiny glimpse of blood on TV they freak out, huh.. Hoshi logic. Those stupid little brats shouldn't be playing games for 15/18 ages but as it goes they get trolled.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Its not REALLY the parents, as much as the executives and Broadcast Standards and Practices.

I have yet to see a single parent complain about DBZ.

Its also the executives who think Children cannot relate to Japanese characters and have their names changes (Like the Pretty Cure Dub)

[matt0044]

Its also the executives who think Children cannot relate to Japanese characters and have their names changes (Like the Pretty Cure Dub)

Although that dub from what I saw wasn't too bad with fine VAs and not changes to the BGM, it really shouldn't have mattered if they had JPN names or not. I mean, what about Naruto? It was aimed for kids on CN once before yet no names were changed (due to the show's theme being Ninjas most likely). So what if it takes place in Japan? Is it not as stereotypical as kids would find it? Why would kids mind anyways? It'd be neat to learn about other cultures or are they not focused on said culture enough?

[dbboxkaifan]

I just finished watching American Dad!, The Simpsons and Family Guy and all three had so much nonsense violence and blood so makes me wonder if DBZ Kai aired in FOX would have stayed uncut.

[GotenDaisuki]

Fox would never even consider that, though. Here's one example:
Their Animation Domination block is solely based on adult comedy via animation. Kai is not a comedy.