Questions about the "Majin" power-up

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:38 pm

1.) Can we use the difference in strength between normal human Spopovitch (sp?) and Majin Spopovitch to get a rough idea of how much power Vegeta gained when Babidi "charmed" him?

2.) I don't own the manga so I can't actually review the relevant material, but isn't it stated -- or at least implied -- that Mr. Satan defeated normal Spopovitch in one of the previous tournaments?

3.) Is it ever clearly defined where the additional strength comes from after being turned into a "Majin"? Hidden potential?

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:55 pm

I can only answer question #2 in that I'm pretty certain it is in the manga that Mr. Satan defeated Spopovitch in the tournament the year before. My memory might be off though and just confusing the anime with the manga.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:44 pm

I'm pretty sure it isn't hidden potential that the power comes from. I kind of thought that all it really did was make you more tolerant to pain and be able to do crazy things (like twist your head around). How that translates into an actual ki number increase, I don't know.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:01 pm

I seem to remember Vegeta observing Spopvitch saying that there was more power in there than the body could actually be capable of XD

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:11 pm

Yes, I think he said something about Spopovitch's body not ever having the potential to reach such a level.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:43 pm

Jerseymilk wrote:Yes, I think he said something about Spopovitch's body not ever having the potential to reach such a level.

Of course, that's not totally distinct from comments he made in the past regarding certain "low-level warriors" and the strength levels they should be able to reach.

But, to counter my own argument, I would say that Vegeta's Saiyan pride wouldn't affect his judgement of Spopofitch's level. And why does he have such a silly name, eh?

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:46 pm

I think Toriyama was going for that tough, opposing Eastern European-type athlete. Which, come to think of it. If I was a tough, opposing Eastern European athlete, I'd be pretty insulted.

Gohan-kun · Post by **Gohan-kun** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:25 am

James R. Cadwell wrote:1.) Can we use the difference in strength between normal human Spopovitch (sp?) and Majin Spopovitch to get a rough idea of how much power Vegeta gained when Babidi "charmed" him?

2.) I don't own the manga so I can't actually review the relevant material, but isn't it stated -- or at least implied -- that Mr. Satan defeated normal Spopovitch in one of the previous tournaments?

3.) Is it ever clearly defined where the additional strength comes from after being turned into a "Majin"? Hidden potential?

I can only answer the third question. The power isn't additional, according to Babidi. Quote: "Now lets bring out his hidden powers, above his limits."

Honestly, I've always looked at it as an additional powerup though. It makes more sense that way to me. But I guess Babidi says otherwise

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:21 am

Have you ever thought about how much Mr. Satan exaggerates? I mean really, look at his interpretation of the Cell Games. His victory over Spopovich was obviously exaggerated. He may have won the match, but not after tricking or bribing Spopovich some how. Spopovich agreed to be taken over by Babidi for the same reason Vegeta did, he wanted more power.

Spopovich was mostlikely at the same level as Piccolo, if that. Gohan only got stabbed beccause he was caught off gaurd. He couldve easily defeated Spopovich at Super Saiya-jiin level.

Post by **SaiyaJedi** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:52 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Have you ever thought about how much Mr. Satan exaggerates? I mean really, look at his interpretation of the Cell Games. His victory over Spopovich was obviously exaggerated. He may have won the match, but not after tricking or bribing Spopovich some how.

Ah, but you're forgetting that Mr. Satan is exceptionally strong; he's just nothing when compared to the main characters. It's highly likely that he wasn't exaggerating at all about their former distance in skill, and in fact, his gloating over his victory may have contributed to Supopovitch doing anything to get stronger. Then again, his ego may have made his opponent seem weaker and less talented than he actually was, but the outcome of the fight was probably not influenced by any "under-the-table" deals.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 6:01 pm

I agree with Julian. I didn't get the sense that he did any bribery with Spopovitch. I think people forget that Mr. Satan is actually a very strong and skilled fighter. Of course he's going to look like he's a weakling when you compare him to Goku and the others! It's probably the equivalent of Jet Li looking like nothing in front of Goku. And Spopovitch being at Piccolo's level, I don't agree. I don't think he got that high of a power-up. Remember at this point Piccolo has long since merged with Kami. Plus when everyone was watching his fight with Videl, they were just suspicious about his abnormal power, they didn't act at all threatened by it for themselves. Just for Videl, who in this case, was no match.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:34 pm

1.) Can we use the difference in strength between normal human Spopovitch (sp?) and Majin Spopovitch to get a rough idea of how much power Vegeta gained when Babidi "charmed" him?

2.) I don't own the manga so I can't actually review the relevant material, but isn't it stated -- or at least implied -- that Mr. Satan defeated normal Spopovitch in one of the previous tournaments?

3.) Is it ever clearly defined where the additional strength comes from after being turned into a "Majin"? Hidden potential?

1) I don't think so. Vegeta only allowed himself to be partially Majinified in order for his PL to increase to a level equal to that of Goku's. Spopovitch did it to be 00ber strong so he went all the way. Note that Supopovitch pre-Majin probably had a PL under 139 (Kame-Senin's), but after Majin looked like he could kick Krillin's ass three ways from sunday.

2) Satan fought Spopovitch in the semi-finals of the 24th budoukai. Satan advanced to defeat Jewel in the finals (and win, obviously).

3) Nope. My guess is it turns the level of potential evil of the person Majinified into potential strength.

Ah, but you're forgetting that Mr. Satan is exceptionally strong; he's just nothing when compared to the main characters. It's highly likely that he wasn't exaggerating at all about their former distance in skill, and in fact, his gloating over his victory may have contributed to Supopovitch doing anything to get stronger. Then again, his ego may have made his opponent seem weaker and less talented than he actually was, but the outcome of the fight was probably not influenced by any "under-the-table" deals

Kiela/Killer mentions he fought Spopovitch. I think this battle was in the quarterfinals of the 24th budoukai, which weakened him enough to be no match for Satan, who IS above average in strength (PL I'm sure to be between 5-120) when they met up in the semis.

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:16 am

I always figured that Roshi could kick the shit out of Satan with ease...

Of course Satan is above average. He is (or at least was) a combination world's strongest man / world's greatest martial artist. This counts for something, when you're able to pull ten buses and you're fast enough to easily excecute complex martial art techniques... damn, I should advertise for the guy. Still hate him, though.

Kanzenshuu

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