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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Michsi » Wed May 16, 2012 5:58 am

Spending three years preparing for him when he hadn't met him doesn't make it a rivalry. He wanted to train under God anyway. And he spared Vegeta as well.
I meant spending three years training his ass off and still wanting to let him go! Yes, his spared Vegeta too which is why I don't see why you say it was one-sided coming from Piccolo. Goku saw a worthy rival in Vegeta too, I never denied that, it's just that unlike the others Vegeta doesn't move on.
And I don't see how the rivalry between Piccolo and Goku is worse when 1. it was fairly short , didn't overstay it's welcome and wasn't a driving force for either character afterwards, 2. it was only present while they were equals, which doesn't put one or the other on an inferior position.

At most you could say that Piccolo was more driven than Goku because he genuienly hated him and was literally born to kill him. Frankly, I wouldn't even call them rivals as much as enemies.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Saiga » Wed May 16, 2012 6:11 am

Michsi wrote:
Spending three years preparing for him when he hadn't met him doesn't make it a rivalry. He wanted to train under God anyway. And he spared Vegeta as well.
I meant spending three years training his ass and still wanting to let him go! Yes, his spared Vegeta too which is why I don't see why you say it was one-sided coming from Piccolo. Goku saw a worthy rival in Vegeta too, I never denied that, it's just that unlike the others Vegeta doesn't move on.
And I don't see how the rivalry between Piccolo and Goku is worse when 1. it was fairly short , didn't overstay it's welcome and wasn't a driving force for either character afterwards, 2. it was only present while they were equals, which doesn't put one or the other on an inferior position.

At most you could say that Piccolo was more driven than Goku because he genuienly hated him and was literally born to kill him. Frankly, I wouldn't even call them rivals as much as enemies.
Yeah, enemies is better than rivals. They go straight from enemy to ally without any real rivalry in between. And I think it's worse partially because of the reaction that it gets in the fandom. There are times later on when Goku makes out like he sees Vegeta as a rival, like when he's talking about how he will be the one to claim the form beyond Super Saiyan.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Michsi » Wed May 16, 2012 6:36 am

it's worse partially because of the reaction that it gets in the fandom. There are times later on when Goku makes out like he sees Vegeta as a rival, like when he's talking about how he will be the one to claim the form beyond Super Saiyan.
Goku respects Vegeta as a warrior and acknoledges his power and his desire to surpass him, but to him, anyone is fair game as long as there is a challenge to be had. He would act the same with anyone , be it Piccolo, Krillin or Mr. Satan. Vegeta, on the other hand, takes it personal to the point it's ridiculous. See his reactions during the match between Goten and Trunks, where he blames Goku when Goten cheated by turning SSJ and acting all smug and superior when Trunks won.

If I say that I found the enmity/rivalry between Piccolo and Goku to be better it's moslty because I liked their fight the most, that I find Piccolo's reasons for hating Goku and wanting to defeat him more understandable and because I liked their interaction during the their fight against Radditz.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Olympian » Wed May 16, 2012 7:19 am

Saiga wrote:
Attitudefan wrote:Yamcha had better Ki control over Krillin in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai
Because he trained over the timeskip to use Ki attacks and Kurilin didn't.
That seems a given, what is weird to me is how Kuririn with 6 full years with Kame training never did. Or bothered to.

I agree with some "unpopular" opinions here, here are my own:

Dragonball was better than Z.
I prefered the MA aspects over transformation number 32534.
Piccolo was a better rival than vegeta.
Vegeta was a great character until the end of Freeza`s arc, but not so much after that.
The humans are brave.
The gap between the humans, save Chaotzu who always seemed to have a stated limit, is closer than a good deal of fandom thinks.
While I prefer the classic animated style (Ten vs Yamucha, Goku vs Piccolo) I enjoyed the 10th Birthday special immensily.
I care little for androids and movies about blue or red androids.
I despise surfer Yamucha with passion.
I actually....like Chaotzu`s type of powers.
Okay, I actually like Chaotzu.
Jackal puFF wrote:Krillin does not deserve the hate he gets. Everyone seems to be bagging on the strongest human for some reason. He's been in Dragonball from the start practically and in 12 movies out of 13. I think people like Yamcha better than Krillin. How many movies has Yamcha been in? That is very laughable.
People hate Kuririn? He gets ragged for not doing anything in that androids incident, but that seems about it. Yamucha on the other hand gets ragged about stuff even out of his control. Test dummy for stronger characters? Check. Trunks showing up out of nowehere? Check. Bulma flirting with almost everyone she sees? Check.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by superrayman3 » Wed May 16, 2012 7:24 am

KiddoCabbusses wrote:You haven't seen Dragon Ball Z until you've seen it in a VHS Copy of a VHS Copy of an Nippon Gold TV Recording followed by a Pearl TV Recording followed by an Anime Labs fansub.

How's that for an unpopular one?
That oppinion is probably one of the most unpopular opinions on this thread although I'm actually very interested in seeing the show in this fashion, you wouldn't happen to have a VHS tape or two I could borrow so I can experience this for myself would you KiddoCabbusses?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by VegettoEX » Wed May 16, 2012 7:25 am

I don't care if it's "unpopular": that's muthatruckin' truth right there, KiddoCabbusses.

Make sure the video completely bends out for at least two minutes, though.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Saiga » Wed May 16, 2012 7:43 am

Michsi wrote: Goku respects Vegeta as a warrior and acknoledges his power and his desire to surpass him, but to him, anyone is fair game as long as there is a challenge to be had. He would act the same with anyone , be it Piccolo, Krillin or Mr. Satan. Vegeta, on the other hand, takes it personal to the point it's ridiculous. See his reactions during the match between Goten and Trunks, where he blames Goku when Goten cheated by turning SSJ and acting all smug and superior when Trunks won.

If I say that I found the enmity/rivalry between Piccolo and Goku to be better it's moslty because I liked their fight the most, that I find Piccolo's reasons for hating Goku and wanting to defeat him more understandable and because I liked their interaction during the their fight against Radditz.
Yeah, I know Vegeta takes the rivalry too far. But I've never seen any rivalry between Goku and Piccolo. I do like their interaction in the Raditz fight as well.

@Olympian I'm pretty sure none of those are unpopular opinions.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gonstead » Wed May 16, 2012 7:44 am

VegettoEX wrote:Make sure the video completely bends out for at least two minutes, though.
Make it five and we're golden.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by KiddoCabbusses » Wed May 16, 2012 3:29 pm

superrayman3 wrote:That oppinion is probably one of the most unpopular opinions on this thread although I'm actually very interested in seeing the show in this fashion, you wouldn't happen to have a VHS tape or two I could borrow so I can experience this for myself would you KiddoCabbusses?
I'm going to have to apologize to you. I gave all the old VHSes I could find to Takarajima for preservation.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by superrayman3 » Wed May 16, 2012 3:47 pm

KiddoCabbusses wrote:I'm going to have to apologize to you. I gave all the old VHSes I could find to Takarajima for preservation.
No sweat KiddoCabbusses with Takatajima holding onto said tapes I know they're in very good hands, I'll get in touch with him later on this evening and see if he'd let me borrow a few fansub tapes for a little while just to experience your opinion firsthand.

@ VegettoEX how do you let the tape bend out exactly because I've never heard of that technique before.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by sbk » Wed May 16, 2012 8:13 pm

I think this is unpopular..

The new English voice for #18 in Kai is flawless. I liked the old one but the new voice fits so much better.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by superrayman3 » Wed May 16, 2012 8:24 pm

sbk wrote:I think this is unpopular..

The new English voice for #18 in Kai is flawless. I liked the old one but the new voice fits so much better.
If this is an unpopular opinion then I'm a part of a small crowd because I agree with this one, 18 in DBZ sounded a few years older than she really is while in Kai her voice sounds like it's at the proper age for 18.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

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sbk wrote:I think this is unpopular..

The new English voice for #18 in Kai is flawless. I liked the old one but the new voice fits so much better.
If this is an unpopular opinion then I'm a part of a small crowd because I agree with this one, 18 in DBZ sounded a few years older than she really is while in Kai her voice sounds like it's at the proper age for 18.
Is she really 18 years old? I know thats her number and all but I didn't think she was actually 18. And isn't 17 her twin brother, if so then they would share the same name right? Also there is an artificial human named "8" and he looks nothing like an eight year old.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by OzzyApu » Wed May 16, 2012 8:48 pm

Insertclevername wrote:Is she really 18 years old? I know thats her number and all but I didn't think she was actually 18. And isn't 17 her twin brother, if so then they would share the same name right? Also there is an artificial human named "8" and he looks nothing like an eight year old.
I never thought they were the age that their numbers were. I don't think any of the main characters ever referred to them as kids like they referred to Future Trunks as "boy" even though he was 17 and 20-22. I figured that they were in their mid-20s, until they became artificial humans by Gero and then they couldn't age after that.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Insertclevername » Wed May 16, 2012 9:13 pm

OzzyApu wrote:
Insertclevername wrote:Is she really 18 years old? I know thats her number and all but I didn't think she was actually 18. And isn't 17 her twin brother, if so then they would share the same name right? Also there is an artificial human named "8" and he looks nothing like an eight year old.
I never thought they were the age that their numbers were. I don't think any of the main characters ever referred to them as kids like they referred to Future Trunks as "boy" even though he was 17 and 20-22. I figured that they were in their mid-20s, until they became artificial humans by Gero and then they couldn't age after that.
Yeah, thats what I always thought.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by theawesomepossum777 » Wed May 16, 2012 9:42 pm

My unpopular opinion is that the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai is overrated. It felt underwhelming compared to the 22nd one.

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Post by Travis Touchdown » Wed May 16, 2012 11:12 pm

Aside from liking Dragon Ball GT, I would think my most unpopular opinions stem from who I feel is stronger than who.

Unpopular opinion #1: Yamcha is stronger than Krillin
I'm sorry. I know I'm alone on this one. From what I've seen in the story, I'm just not convinced Krillin is stronger than Yamcha. The only time I'll submit is the first tournament we see. Krillin has had training from Master Roshi so he's obviously stronger. However, by the next tournament, Roshi shows no shock or surprise that Yamcha can use the Kamehameha, nor is he worried about him using it. Yet, when Krillin goes to try, Roshi makes a big deal about how Krillin's not ready for it yet. Yamcha is often paired up as a rival for Tien, who we know trumps Krillin any day. Finally, Yamcha had more time with King Kai than even Goku had, and Yamcha even started off stronger than Goku and could pushed harder. Ginyu Force filler aside, even with Krillin's power-up from Guru, you can't convince me that Krillin ever surpasses Yamcha. Yamcha being quick to take Goku away just seems like he's afraid of the Androids, and rightfully so; his first encounter ends up being a near-death experience so why stick around. His line about Krillin being the strongest human, despite Tien being considered human by the cast, seems obvious; he's talking to Krillin's daughter. She's scared for her dad's well-being and he's just giving her a confidence boost. I'm stronger than a lot of my friends, but I gladly talk up my best friend's strength when talking to his son.

Unpopular opinion #2: Vegetto is infinitely stronger than Gogeta
Again, my apologies, but given what's said in the story, I feel Potara is vastly superior to Fusion. So much so, that Super Saiyan Vegetto would trump Super Saiyan 3 Gogeta. With Fusion, one user has to lower his battle power to match his partner's max. From there also, I would say the difference in power from Gogeta and Gotenks is similar to Goku and Goten, or Vegeta and Trunks. I just can't believe a Super Saiyan Gogeta would be so incredibly stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks.

Unpopular opinion #3: Piccolo is only truly fused with Nail
"What about Kami?" Since Kami & Piccolo are 2 halves of the same person, I don't consider their fusion to be anything unusual outside of 2 halves coming back together. Nail, on the other hand, was never a part of the original configuration. So the end result of Piccolo's fusions is himself (complete) and Nail.

Unpopular opinion #4: Mystic Gohan can become a Super Saiyan.
I think Gohan could have become a Super Saiyan in his fight with Super Buu, but it wouldn't make him any stronger. If he was at his strongest in his base form, then I think his transforming would only burn through his ki faster without actually improving his performance any. I base this off of the fact I like GT, and it shows Gohan becoming a Super Saiyan at a point where it would make him stronger again due to his lack of training. Which leads me to my next one...

Unpopular opinion #5: Gohan trained between Z & GT
I don't think Gohan trained to better himself, and certainly didn't train as hard as he should have. However, somebody had to be training Pan since Goku wasn't around. Pan even has an attack that looks like Masenko. I also think that Gohan had to be doing something in order to be on par with Vegeta.

Unpopular opinion #6: Future Gohan was stronger than the Androids
At least in the anime. Clearly in the manga, Gohan at his most powerful is weaker than even #17 at only half power. However, in the anime, Gohan lands some good shots on #17 in the first fight, and #17 & Trunks' dialogue makes it seem like Gohan is able to handle him 1 on 1... it's when they turn it into a 2 on 1 where he's hopelessly outclassed. I wonder, if he would have survived his last fight, if he would've finally been able to take them both on since he did a pretty good job in his last fight.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

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Travis Touchdown wrote:However, by the next tournament, Roshi shows no shock or surprise that Yamcha can use the Kamehameha, nor is he worried about him using it. Yet, when Krillin goes to try, Roshi makes a big deal about how Krillin's not ready for it yet.
I think that was more because Yamcha had already learned it and had it up his sleeve, whereas Kuririn essentially just taught himself to do it on the spot. It's not that Kuririn "wasn't ready for it yet"--it's that he literally didn't know it and was being impulsive.
Finally, Yamcha had more time with King Kai than even Goku had
I don't think he did. Assuming they'd only recently arrived when Kaio told Goku about them, Yamcha would only have been there for 136 days before coming back to life. Goku spent 158 days with Kaio.
Ginyu Force filler aside, even with Krillin's power-up from Guru, you can't convince me that Krillin ever surpasses Yamcha.
What about when Kuririn got his dormant power awakened? Yamcha had only been with Kaio for, what, a few days at that point? Yamcha may have pulled ahead of him after that, but I think it's pretty unlikely that Kuririn hadn't surpassed Yamcha at that time.
Unpopular opinion #2: Vegetto is infinitely stronger than Gogeta
I think you'll find that this one isn't an unpopular opinion at all.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Saiga » Wed May 16, 2012 11:54 pm

Sorry, but the manga openly states the Kurilin is higher at the start of the Saiyan saga. Official battle powers put Kurilin higher at the end of the Saiyan saga as well. Arguing against this is pure fanboyism at it's finest. :?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by son veku » Thu May 17, 2012 1:42 am

I like freeza filler, and I don't hate the english dub

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