Unpopular DB opinions

[Bussani]

I realized I forgot one.

Unpopular Opinion #7: Ultra Super Saiyan & Ultimate Super Saiyan are not true transformations.
I hear a lot that USSJ and USSJ2 are unique Super Saiyan forms. I don't consider them that. To me, they're nothing more than pumping ki into your muscles, similar to how Master Roshi does so when he creates a Full-Power-Kamehameha or what Freeza does when he reaches 100%.

I also agree with that. In fact, this is another one that I don't think is as unpopular as you might. That said, I think the distinction between what is and isn't a transformation is a pretty arbitrary one at times. Why is Super Saiyan 2 a transformation, but Grade 2 isn't? Couldn't you say a Super Saiyan 2 is just a Super Saiyan who's tapped into more hidden ki? And that's more or less how it was treated up until Goku revealed Super Saiyan 3 and started naming them all as such. It's kind of like how Super Saiyan 4 isn't really a progression from Super Saiyan 3 and is just named that way for the sake of convenience.

Unpopular opinion: "Super Saiyan Full Power" isn't a thing at all--it's an entry in a timeline.

As I'm sure most people know, the name comes from the Growing Up section of Daizenshuu 2. It describes how Goku at the Cell Game was different from Goku when he fought Freeza. If you look, it says this version of Goku's first appearance is in volume 34, which is where he has his fight with Cell. It's not talking about the moment he stepped out of the Room of Spirit and Time, which happened in volume 33, so this "Super Saiyan Full Power" version isn't the same as saying, "Goku after his training in the RoSaT, where he could control his ki and remain as a Super Saiyan without effort." More importantly, which chapter is the image they use from? 398: Son Goku at Full Power--the chapter where Goku reveals his "full power" to Cell.

People generally use "Full Power Super Saiyan" to mean any Super Saiyan who can freely control their ki, who can stay Super Saiyan with ease, and who has a particular kind of aura. Admittedly, this Goku entry has all of those things, but I think that's a case of coincidence and overlap. I mean, Gohan has all of those things in his regular Super Saiyan entry. This is probably another case of naming something for the sake of convenience, and in that regard I'm okay with it. I just don't think it's what the writers of the Daizenshuu intended when they wrote it. I think all they intended was for Goku to have two Super Saiyan entries, and they needed a name for the second one.

[Saiga]

I also agree with that. In fact, this is another one that I don't think is as unpopular as you might. That said, I think the distinction between what is and isn't a transformation is a pretty arbitrary one at times. Why is Super Saiyan 2 a transformation, but Grade 2 isn't? Couldn't you say a Super Saiyan 2 is just a Super Saiyan who's tapped into more hidden ki? And that's more or less how it was treated up until Goku revealed Super Saiyan 3 and started naming them all as such. It's kind of like how Super Saiyan 4 isn't really a progression from Super Saiyan 3 and is just named that way for the sake of convenience.

Unpopular opinion: "Super Saiyan Full Power" isn't a thing at all--it's an entry in a timeline.

As I'm sure most people know, the name comes from the Growing Up section of Daizenshuu 2. It describes how Goku at the Cell Game was different from Goku when he fought Freeza. If you look, it says this version of Goku's first appearance is in volume 34, which is where he has his fight with Cell. It's not talking about the moment he stepped out of the Room of Spirit and Time, which happened in volume 33, so this "Super Saiyan Full Power" version isn't the same as saying, "Goku after his training in the RoSaT, where he could control his ki and remain as a Super Saiyan without effort." More importantly, which chapter is the image they use from? 398: Son Goku at Full Power--the chapter where Goku reveals his "full power" to Cell.

People generally use "Full Power Super Saiyan" to mean any Super Saiyan who can freely control their ki, who can stay Super Saiyan with ease, and who has a particular kind of aura. Admittedly, this Goku entry has all of those things, but I think that's a case of coincidence and overlap. I mean, Gohan has all of those things in his regular Super Saiyan entry. This is probably another case of naming something for the sake of convenience, and in that regard I'm okay with it. I just don't think it's what the writers of the Daizenshuu intended when they wrote it. I think all they intended was for Goku to have two Super Saiyan entries, and they needed a name for the second one.

That's certainly interesting. It helps explain why Gohan didn't have a FPSS entry. I agree with you after reading that.

Now I just don't know what to call the state where a Saiyan achieves total control over their Super Saiyan form.

[Bussani]

Now I just don't know what to call the state where a Saiyan achieves total control over their Super Saiyan form.

Yeah, that's the funny catch. Despite everything I said, I'm okay with people using "Full Power Super Saiyan" for that because it's so convenient...! Although some people prefer to use "Mastered Super Saiyan", which is also fine.

[Ringworm128]

I think the thread title should be changed from "Unpopular DB opinions" to "Unpopular Kanzenshuu opinions".

[son veku]

Any reason?

[Ringworm128]

I think the Funimation names for the attacks (i.e Destructo Disk) are so lame yet so cool at the same time it's sorta hard to explain. Rock The Dragon is friggin awesome.

Hyper Dimension isn't that good.

Don't get me started on how bad that game is.

Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but I really liked Aya Hirano's Dende, stunt casting or no. In fact, I like it as much as Tomiko Suzuki's.

I to really liked her as Dende.

[Payne222]

I like the Funimation dub just as much as the original. I mean, I grew up watching DBZ on Toonami everyday as well as watching fan subs of DBZ daily too, so I enjoyed them both. Hell, I'd even watch DBZ on Telefutura or whatever channel it was on in Spanish sometimes if it was a good episode.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

This isn't so much an opinion as a headcanon, but I've recently started combining Funimation and Japanese movie titles into supa exciting Japanese episode titles in the few cases they coherently connect; say, "The Return of Cooler! A battle of 10 Billion warriors!", "The Great Burning Battle! Broly the Legendary Super Sayain!", or "The Three Super Sayains! Brutal Super Android 13!" A lot of "the"'s, for sure, but not totally incoherent, actually.

[Sun-Wukong]

This isn't so much an opinion as a headcanon, but I've recently started combining Funimation and Japanese movie titles into supa exciting Japanese episode titles in the few cases they coherently connect; say, "The Return of Cooler! A battle of 10 Billion warriors!", "The Great Burning Battle! Broly the Legendary Super Sayain!", or "The Three Super Sayains! Brutal Super Android 13!" A lot of "the"'s, for sure, but not totally incoherent, actually.

Those actually sound quite nice. I could get behind the widespread use of those.

[Pokewhiz7]

This isn't so much an opinion as a headcanon, but I've recently started combining Funimation and Japanese movie titles into supa exciting Japanese episode titles in the few cases they coherently connect; say, "The Return of Cooler! A battle of 10 Billion warriors!", "The Great Burning Battle! Broly the Legendary Super Sayain!", or "The Three Super Sayains! Brutal Super Android 13!" A lot of "the"'s, for sure, but not totally incoherent, actually.

"Return My Dead Zone!"

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

This isn't so much an opinion as a headcanon, but I've recently started combining Funimation and Japanese movie titles into supa exciting Japanese episode titles in the few cases they coherently connect; say, "The Return of Cooler! A battle of 10 Billion warriors!", "The Great Burning Battle! Broly the Legendary Super Sayain!", or "The Three Super Sayains! Brutal Super Android 13!" A lot of "the"'s, for sure, but not totally incoherent, actually.

"Return My Dead Zone!"

Super Sayain Lord Slug.

That. is. all.

[Ringworm128]

Super Sayain Lord Slug.

That. is. all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFTvabHR-9E This was the first thing that came to mind.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I like the story mode of Shin Budokai 1 & 2.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I like the story mode of Shin Budokai 1 & 2.

o.O 1 I can kind of understand, but 2 is just a clusterfuck. xD

[Saiga]

I like the story mode of Shin Budokai 1 & 2.

o.O 1 I can kind of understand, but 2 is just a clusterfuck. xD

I was just thinking the same. xD

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I was just thinking the same. xD

it's like everyone sat at a table when they started developing the game, and the conversation went like this:

Director: Alright! Starting production on the next title today, let me hear your ideas for the story!
Person A: Oh, oh! Majin Buu, wait for it...in Future Trunks' timeline!
Person B: Yeah, I like that.
Director: Sounds pretty good. I think we have a winner right off the bat! Okay, so we can base it off the original Buu Arc, but what little extras do we want to add to make it special?
Person A: Janenba!
Person B: Bardock!
Person C: Broli!
Person A: Coola!
Person D: Cell!
Mail Boy: How 'bout you just add them all in?
Director: But how do we tie it all together and have it make sense?
Mail Boy: You don't..have to? Just make shit up, no one will care...
Director: Mother. Fucking. Genius. You want a raise?

[Saiga]

A much scarier idea is that they thought the story mode made perfect sense.

Say... how is SBAR's story going to tie into your project?

[Ringworm128]

So many people say that Team Four Star's cast is better then Funimation's which IMO isn't true. TFS are very good and they could possibly be very big voice actors one day. But right now it's obvious that Funimation's cast has more experience and even the voices them selves aren't as good as Funi. I'm sorry but as good as Lanipator is he just doesn't have the same charm as Chris Sabat. The only voices that are better then Funi IMO are Goku's voice and Reacoom's voice and that's only if you like your voices more faithful to the Japanese version.

[Sun-Wukong]

As much as I love DBZA, I have to agree that Lanipator's voice for Vegeta is just a choppier version of Chris Sabbat's. I do like his Krillin voice a lot, though, and I'm a huge fan of Sonny Strait.

[Hades]

I don't get why people think MasakoX is better than Schemmel as Goku. Sure it's hilarious as ****, but MasakoX's Goku can't be taken seriously (by me at least).