Worst case of degenerated Dragon Box Colours

[Cipher]

As long as we're on the topic of tinted flashbacks, while this one is clearly intentional, I've noticed that nearly all flashbacks on the DragonBox look slightly softer and have a slight, unintentional yellow tint.

What causes this? I imagine it has something to do with the way the footage is reused, but I've always been curious.

[Gaffer Tape]

I've always assumed it was because they never bothered to take footage from the original elements when they did flashbacks. They just grabbed whatever was available, and it was of lesser quality.

[eledoremassis02]

Assuming what the source is... here are some flashbacks from the GT season sets (which are almost exact to the GT Dragon Boxes). It's interesting to see how greenish the sky is here as well. Can anyone get Dragon box snapshots of these pics? It lacks the redness that age film brings though.. could this be a flashback filter too? It does have an aged look but that also might be intentional..






To the later Dboxes the colors match almost perfectly (granted the slight difference might be due to FUNimations de-graining)



This scene is cropped like the Z signles lol


With the TV broadcast:

[kei17]

As long as we're on the topic of tinted flashbacks, while this one is clearly intentional, I've noticed that nearly all flashbacks on the DragonBox look slightly softer and have a slight, unintentional yellow tint.

What causes this? I imagine it has something to do with the way the footage is reused, but I've always been curious.

They sold the original cels after finishing filming each episode, so they made those recaps by duplicating the original negative (or converting a positive print to a film negative again), so the image quality gets worse during such a process.

[Corpsecreate]

So would that mean that a lot of (though not all as we've seen) the flashbacks colour problems are unintentional? Most flashbacks/NEP's seem to have bad colours and its hard to tell if the effect is intentional or not. It makes colour correcting them difficult.

[Cipher]

They sold the original cels after finishing filming each episode, so they made those recaps by duplicating the original negative (or converting a positive print to a film negative again), so the image quality gets worse during such a process.

Ah, thanks. That's exactly what I was wondering.

[BluezaBladeNZ]

Here's the same shots taken from the Dragon Box version:

[eledoremassis02]

They're almost the same colors, just darker!



Does anyone have the GT singles?

[biohazard]

eledoremassis02, I think BluezaBladeNZ pictures are from Dragon Box GT flashbacks, not Dragon Box Z actual episodes.
I'm saying this beacuse people won't know with which Dragon Box are you comparing here

[BluezaBladeNZ]

Yes they're taken from the flashbacks from the GT episode which I assume is what he wanted.

[eledoremassis02]

Yes they're taken from the flashbacks from the GT episode which I assume is what he wanted.

Oh! hahah I thought they were from the Z dragon boxed I was gonna ask for the GT ones too. Whats interesting is that this is the only comarison I've seen where the dragon box is darker.

[DHM211]

Yes they're taken from the flashbacks from the GT episode which I assume is what he wanted.

Oh! hahah I thought they were from the Z dragon boxed I was gonna ask for the GT ones too. Whats interesting is that this is the only comarison I've seen where the dragon box is darker.

Here you go.

[eledoremassis02]

Thanks!

I didnt realize how different the colors cold be

[Metalwario64]

Now I'm very confused... Why is the sky even greener in GT? Shouldn't the film be much less aged? And if so, why is the Goku vs. Vegeta fight's sky still unusually green if it really isn't supposed to be? I can see it's not aged to the point of the red tint of the actual footage from the Z episode, so then why is the sky even greener?

It's even greener than when you remove the red color cast from the Dragon Box:


It's also greener than in Kai, which I previously thought was the greenest it had ever been:



What is going on with these colors? I'm really starting to wonder if it really isn't supposed to be at least slightly greenish...

You can't even say it's because it's a flashback, because this scene has a very blue sky:


Also, curiously that shot, and the Super Saiyan Goku one are close to how they appear in the actual Dragon Box Z footage:


That's probably a sign that those episode's footage one the Z boxes are close to how they originally appeared.

However, this shot, and the Vegeta fight ones have much less red in them, and the Namekian sky has more yellow as it should:

Z Dragon Box:


GT Dragon Box:


What's up with this? If the colors are not as aged, then why is the Vegeta fight's sky still so green?

[DHM211]

[quote][/quote][quote="Metalwario64"]Now I'm very confused... Why is the sky even greener in GT? Shouldn't the film be much less aged? And i f so, why is the Goku vs. Vegeta fight's sky still unusually green if it really isn't supposed to be? I can see it's not aged to the point of the red tint of the actual footage from the Z episode, so then why is the sky even greener?

Can you post a Kai only version of this pic.

[Zestanor]

I just have to get this out: Even if it's wrong, I love the green sky! See if you can remove a green color cast from the GT pic; it might match up with the broadcast colors.

[Gaffer Tape]

I thought it had been discussed a while back the idea that a somewhat greenish tint to the sky was intentional because Goku and Vegeta were fighting at dusk. The sky was blue at the beginning, then it turned pink after the three hour break, then a greenish blue for Goku and Vegeta, and finally night when it was over.

[eledoremassis02]

I just have to get this out: Even if it's wrong, I love the green sky! See if you can remove a green color cast from the GT pic; it might match up with the broadcast colors.

Green Removed:


TV broadcast/Green Removed:



Then had some fun
GT season set TV colors:


GT season set TV colors (Contrast messed with to match broadcast better)

[Metalwario64]

I just have to get this out: Even if it's wrong, I love the green sky! See if you can remove a green color cast from the GT pic; it might match up with the broadcast colors.

I like it, but only in Kai. I think it look kinda ugly on the Z Dragon Box, and way too green in the GT flashbacks.

See if you can remove a green color cast from the GT pic; it might match up with the broadcast colors.

I tried, and it hardly changes a thing; there's only a very faint green color cast.

I thought it had been discussed a while back the idea that a somewhat greenish tint to the sky was intentional because Goku and Vegeta were fighting at dusk. The sky was blue at the beginning, then it turned pink after the three hour break, then a greenish blue for Goku and Vegeta, and finally night when it was over.

I guess it's possible. It seems likely, considering even the least aged film has it looking more green than usual. But then I wonder why the TV rips (I believe I've even seen a more recent Japanese airing, or possibly a commercial recorded via DVD as well) have the sky looking more blue, as well as all of FUNimation's footage, even from before the time they began screwing with the colors.

Green Removed:

They said "color cast". You went in and manually edited individual colors, which wasn't what they were referring to, unless the term "color cast" was incorrectly used.

Not only that, but Kei showed me some examples of scans with the actual backgrounds, and the sky is supposed to be a duller blue. You need to have a decent source to base the colors off of, rather than making them up as you go along.

[eledoremassis02]

I tried, and it hardly changes a thing; there's only a very faint green color cast.

Here's mine as well:



I also played with the blues to remove any green as possible (did the same with Vegeta). I also didnt have the broadcast pic up so I would not try to emulate that.