Why didn't Piccolo enter the RoSaT a second time?

[Michsi]

But then why wouldn't Piccolo train with Goku and Gohan?

Because he was busy chasing after Cell or the androids. He was the only one that could handle either of the at the moment and he could at least buy some time. Imagine the androids comming to Kame house while he wasn't there.

If you meant afterwards on the lookout, Goku specifically said that they've had enough of the RoSat.

[Fox666]

Yeah, but Piccolo said they could enter a second time after him, why not ask them to enter with him?

[Michsi]

Ah, I see.
Perhaps he thought he would hold them back? In order for them to benefit from training with him, he had to catch up first and that might have meant them wasting valuable training time. Maybe the author didn't want to have Goku turn down Piccolo's request? I doubt he would have objected to the idea since he knows how much he improved the last time.

[Saiga]

Alternative theory: they did get sealed in the Boo saga but they didn't know about it because they didn't actually try to exit before Piccolo blew it up.

He forgot about the time effect at one point so it wouldn't surprise me if he forgot about the 2 person limit.

[Michsi]

He forgot about the time effect at one point so it wouldn't surprise me if he forgot about the 2 person limit.

Goku didn't mention anything either when it was proposed that he use the RoSat with the kids in order to get to spend more time with them.

[Saiga]

He forgot about the time effect at one point so it wouldn't surprise me if he forgot about the 2 person limit.

Goku didn't mention anything either when it was proposed that he use the RoSat with the kids in order to get to spend more time with them.

I don't recall this at all. Did Piccolo propose it before Goku went back to other world or something?

[Michsi]

He forgot about the time effect at one point so it wouldn't surprise me if he forgot about the 2 person limit.

Goku didn't mention anything either when it was proposed that he use the RoSat with the kids in order to get to spend more time with them.

I don't recall this at all. Did Piccolo propose it before Goku went back to other world or something?

Yes and Goku objects because he believed they shouldn't abuse it....which I believe was just the author trying to write himself out of a way to keep Goku around. Claiming that they couldn't go all in would have made much more sense in this case.

[Bussani]

It's 48 hours (Earth time) total.

Or was it no more than 24 at time before the exit will close on you?

I don't think that was ever said. The thing about it being 48 hours per lifetime was mentioned quite a bit later than the initial rules. They never really elaborated on why only two people could enter at a time or why you could only spend a year in there. Goku just says something like, "It's only set up for two people," so some people think it might be something like, there's only enough food at a time for two people to last one year? I dunno.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't think that was ever said. The thing about it being 48 hours per lifetime was mentioned quite a bit later than the initial rules. They never really elaborated on why only two people could enter at a time or why you could only spend a year in there. Goku just says something like, "It's only set up for two people," so some people think it might be something like, there's only enough food at a time for two people to last one year? I dunno.

And I still think the "setup for two" line was Goku trying to get Vegeta to have some father-son time with Trunks, so I don't know how to interpret it. lol I mean, we never see Popo go in and restock the RoSaT, and even Trunks and Goten say that the place is scarce on food when they go in during the Buu Arc, so apparently Popo still didn't stock up in those seven years...

[Piccolo Daimao]

It was said you can't spent more than two days inside of the room, or more than two people enter at the same time, otherwise the door will disappear.

Of course the two people seems to have been ignored in the Boo saga, since we had at least 4 people inside it.

I think that was a case of Goku lying to Vegeta in order to get him to spend some time with Trunks...

Or the fact that there wasn't enough supplies for more than two people remaining in the room for a year? Why should Gokuu care about Vegeta and Trunks' relationship?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Or the fact that there wasn't enough supplies for more than two people remaining in the room for a year? Why should Gokuu care about Vegeta and Trunks' relationship?

I already addressed half of this before you even posted.

Goku doesn't have to actually care about the relation ship, but he's generally a nice guy and Trunks did come back in time to warn them about the Jinzoningen and give him heart medicine. So why not repay the favor when he knows Trunks wants to spend time with his dad. I mean, why else would he stay with him while Vegeta stands on top of a rock and stares at the sky for three days?

[Piccolo Daimao]

Or the fact that there wasn't enough supplies for more than two people remaining in the room for a year? Why should Gokuu care about Vegeta and Trunks' relationship?

I already addressed half of this before you even posted.

Sorry, didn't read through.

Goku doesn't have to actually care about the relation ship, but he's generally a nice guy and Trunks did come back in time to warn them about the Jinzoningen and give him heart medicine. So why not repay the favor when he knows Trunks wants to spend time with his dad. I mean, why else would he stay with him while Vegeta stands on top of a rock and stares at the sky for three days?

I just don't think that was really much of a factor to him, since defeating Cell was more important. They were low on supplies, so only two could go in at a time, and since Vegeta hated Gokuu, he had to go in with Trunks.

[Mystic Gohan]

I think he was too weak even after his rosat trip to be of any use even if he went into the rosat again.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

When was it ever said they were low on supplies? Like I said before, it never seems like Popo goes in and restocks the RoSaT (not even in times of peace), he's with everyone else where ever they go on the temple. And if the place really only had enough food for 2 people, then it shouldn't even last one Saiyan a full year the way they eat.

I still think the idea fits though. He knows how Vegeta is, that he doesn't play well with others and always wants to take his turn first. Yet, even though they were short on time, Goku offered Vegeta the chance to train, with Trunks joining him as a stipulation, seemingly giving up his chance to go first in return. If he really wanted to, he could have avoided that by taking Gohan up to Kami's temple to train first before ever telling Vegeta about it, but he didn't. Plus, Goku's little "Try to get along" to Trunks when he's going to the RoSaT is a *wink,wink, nudge, nudge* to me.

[Piccolo Daimao]

When was it ever said they were low on supplies? Like I said before, it never seems like Popo goes in and restocks the RoSaT (not even in times of peace), he's with everyone else where ever they go on the temple. And if the place really only had enough food for 2 people, then it shouldn't even last one Saiyan a full year the way they eat.

I think Gokuu explicitly says that they only have enough supplies for two people. I should've phrased that better. But Popo not going in and restocking is irrelevant, and we don't know enough about the specific supplies and its amount in the RoSaT to make a definitive judgement like this and, for whatever reason, ignore what is a pretty basic and no-nonsense statement. "There's only enough supplies for two, and since I've already decided on training with Gohan to bring out his dormant power and you [Vegeta] don't like me, you'll have to go in with Trunks."

The situation with Piccolo, Goten, Trunks (or Gotenks, which could count as one person, but whatever) and Super Boo is neither here nor there. Piccolo was just escorting Boo in so they could fight, not that they'd be bumming around for a year eating and bathing together.

I still think the idea fits though. He knows how Vegeta is, that he doesn't play well with others and always wants to take his turn first. Yet, even though they were short on time, Goku offered Vegeta the chance to train, with Trunks joining him as a stipulation, seemingly giving up his chance to go first in return. If he really wanted to, he could have avoided that by taking Gohan up to Kami's temple to train first before ever telling Vegeta about it, but he didn't. Plus, Goku's little "Try to get along" to Trunks when he's going to the RoSaT is a *wink,wink, nudge, nudge* to me.

When Vegeta asked him why he wanted him to train in the RoSaT if he knew he wanted to kill him, Gokuu said that they needed all the help they could get. Which they did. If Vegeta couldn't defeat Cell alone, then maybe Trunks could. Or both of them. Or all four Saiyans together. And Vegeta demanded to go first, which isn't a problem. And the reason he told Vegeta is because he wanted to include him in his plan, since they needed all the help they could get and it was meaningless who went first, really. As long as Cell was killed before he absorbed the Androids and destroyed the world/universe, nothing else particularly mattered.

And Gokuu's passing statement of "Try to get along" to Trunks means just that. A passing statement. They don't particularly like each other, but it'd be advisable if they put their differences aside and/or just tried not to kill each other for a year in a hellish place like the Room of Spirit and Time. Yeah, maybe it'd be a bonus if they came out all pally, but that's not what was ultimately important. What was ultimately important was defeating Cell.

Anyway, we're just splitting hairs. It's just a minor thing, really, that we don't need to debate any further on.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Yes, Goku says the room is "setup for two", but that's basically what spawned the original question in this topic to begin with. Is it set up for two because only two can enter at a time, or was it because it only had enough supplies for two people to live in there for a year? If it's the former, the Toriyama screwed up the Buu Arc by having Trunks, Goten, Piccolo and Buu in there at once. If it's the latter, then Popo restocking the room is completely relevant, because regardless of what supplies are in there, if it is only meant to house two people, Goku and Gohan shouldn't have been able to live in there after Vegeta and Trunks used up the resources.

My point last post was that Goku could still have gotten the same results in the same amount of time, keeping with his plan of having all the Saiyans help out against Cell, even if he didn't tell Vegeta about it before going in. Goku could have went in and trained Gohan and then came out and compared himself and Gohan to Cell. If they weren't strong enough, he could tell Vegeta to look how much stronger he got in this magic room and he'll let him have a go at it too if he'll help in the fight afterward. To me, his choice of actions in telling Vegeta beforehand has some significance, even if relatively minor...but you can consider the matter dropped I suppose, because while it has some significance to my opinion and point, it really has none in the grand scheme of Dragon Ball. So whatever. =P

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yes, Goku says the room is "setup for two", but that's basically what spawned the original question in this topic to begin with. Is it set up for two because only two can enter at a time, or was it because it only had enough supplies for two people to live in there for a year? If it's the former, the Toriyama screwed up the Buu Arc by having Trunks, Goten, Piccolo and Buu in there at once. If it's the latter, then Popo restocking the room is completely relevant, because regardless of what supplies are in there, if it is only meant to house two people, Goku and Gohan shouldn't have been able to live in there after Vegeta and Trunks used up the resources.

It's most likely the former, since there was no magical rule explicitly stated that only two could go in at the same time, and that was rebunked by four people being in there at the same time in the Boo arc. So it's safe to say that it's the former. It's ambiguous, but it's like how Dende said that the DBs could now grant three wishes like on Namek, but when restoring the dead, it was reduced to two. Later, in the Boo arc, when Shenlong explicitly states himself that he can grant three, it's confirmed that it only becomes two wishes when restoring the dead (or a large amount of dead people).

My point last post was that Goku could still have gotten the same results in the same amount of time, keeping with his plan of having all the Saiyans help out against Cell, even if he didn't tell Vegeta about it before going in. Goku could have went in and trained Gohan and then came out and compared himself and Gohan to Cell. If they weren't strong enough, he could tell Vegeta to look how much stronger he got in this magic room and he'll let him have a go at it too if he'll help in the fight afterward. To me, his choice of actions in telling Vegeta beforehand has some significance, even if relatively minor...but you can consider the matter dropped I suppose, because while it has some significance to my opinion and point, it really has none in the grand scheme of Dragon Ball. So whatever. =P

Yeah, I still don't really agree, as I doubt it's something that would really be in Gokuu's mind (at the time). He just knew that Vegeta had been standing on a fucking rock for three days, and wanted to help him ascend as quickly as possible. I never looked into it any further than that.

But yeah, let's just drop it.

[012yArthur0]

I think there isn't much to add that isn't already in the title, but I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on why Piccolo didn't enter the RoSaT a second time? After coming out, he's already aware that he's not strong enough to help, and yet he doesn't enter again despite the fact that he still has another day he can spend in there.

The only reason I can think of is that he knows that even with another year in there, he'll still be lagging behind.

Which the common logic stretch about his KI jumping insanely between each of his trainings? I highly doubt.

[Saiga]

Which the common logic stretch about his KI jumping insanely between each of his trainings? I highly doubt.

Well he obviously wasn't relevant in the Boo arc, so it seems like he did have trouble keeping up after all.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Which the common logic stretch about his KI jumping insanely between each of his trainings? I highly doubt.

Well he obviously wasn't relevant in the Boo arc, so it seems like he did have trouble keeping up after all.

Well...yeah, the Super Saiyans were just far more powerful than him, ever since the Cell arc. And Gokuu and Vegeta, being the battle-addicts they are, just bridged that gap further, while Gohan remained at the same strength. But all three of them already had quite a lead on him beforehand anyway.

And we don't know how much he improved after his trip in the RoSaT. We don't even know how strong Vegeta and Trunks improved after their trips, or how strong the Cell Juniors are. So there's nothing much concrete to go on.