Unpopular DB opinions

Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
User avatar
DBZGTKOSDH
Namekian Warrior
Posts: 12401
Joined: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:45 pm
Location: Greece

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:15 am

Hades wrote:MasakoX's Goku can't be taken seriously (by me at least).
It's natural, since it's a parody.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

User avatar
LiamKav
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 373
Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 5:15 pm
Location: Liverpool, UK

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by LiamKav » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:06 am

As I've said before, it's easier to do better acting when you're not trying to sync up to lip flaps.

User avatar
TheDevilsCorpse
Moderator
Posts: 11378
Joined: Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:34 am
Contact:

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:11 am

LiamKav wrote:As I've said before, it's easier to do better acting when you're not trying to sync up to lip flaps.
That's pointless in the case of Abridged, as they cut the flaps to match the lines. They've already said that the series is a parody and they are treating it as such, so even if the actors are capable of better acting, don't expect any award winning performances.
Direct translations of the Korean DB Online timeline and guidebook.
My personal "canon" and BP list. (Coming Soon)

User avatar
Piccolo Daimao
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8749
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:23 am

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:16 am

I prefer MasakoX to Schemmel simply because he nails the light-hearted, childish and energetic tone of Gokuu, while Schemmel still sounds too much like a superhero.

But I've only heard people say that MasakoX's Gokuu is better than Schemmel's, not that the whole TFS cast are better than FUNimation. That would be a ridiculous notion, since it's only a fan parody and many of the voices are imitations of the FUNimation voices.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.

User avatar
LiamKav
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 373
Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 5:15 pm
Location: Liverpool, UK

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by LiamKav » Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:38 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
LiamKav wrote:As I've said before, it's easier to do better acting when you're not trying to sync up to lip flaps.
That's pointless in the case of Abridged, as they cut the flaps to match the lines.
That's exactly my point. For abridged, they are editing the footage to match the voices, which means the acting can be more natural. FUNimation however are acting to the lip flaps, which is much harder. That's why it's unfair when people say that TFS are better actors; the playing field is not level.

User avatar
Hades
OMG CRAZY REGEN
Posts: 780
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:30 pm

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Hades » Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:31 pm

on that topic, I think Takahata101 is the best english!Dende.
TrunksTrevelyan0064 wrote:
Scarz wrote:Like using a flamethrower to kill an ant.
Hey, a lv.100 Charizard vs a wild lv.4 Caterpie. It happens.

User avatar
Piccolo Daimao
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8749
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:23 am

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:09 pm

Hades wrote:on that topic, I think Takahata101 is the best english!Dende.
You mean Maxey Whitehead, right? :wink:
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.

User avatar
Ringworm128
Banned
Posts: 2976
Joined: Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:27 am

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:28 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote:I prefer MasakoX Schemmel still sounds too much like a superhero..
I've never understood the people who say Schemmel makes Goku sound like a superhero. To me he makes Goku sound like a really upbeat happy go lucky guy. I would class Big Green Goku or Kyle Herbert as Saiyaman as a "superhero" voice.

User avatar
penguintruth
Banned
Posts: 4861
Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:49 pm

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by penguintruth » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:39 am

ringworm128 wrote:To me he makes Goku sound like a really upbeat happy go lucky guy.
Sure, NOW he sounds like that.

For most of DBZ's dub? Too much gravity and heft to his voice and delivery. The script didn't help, for sure, but he sounds much more natural now (still not as great as Nozawa, though, but that's all in delivery).
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


Dragon Ball (Z) Kai Reviews!

Can I get a Schemen?

User avatar
Piccolo Daimao
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8749
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:23 am

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:41 am

Yeah, let me reiterate. Before Kai, he sounded like an imitation of Ian Corlett's Gokuu; generic, superhero-like, and pretty much failed when he was trying to portray Gokuu's lighter side. He's got a good set of lungs on him, though, especially the famous Super Saiyan 3 scene.

In Kai, he sounds more natural, although still sounds a bit rough at times. He's still good, though, but I can't help but think that there could be someone better. Like Todd Haberkorn or someone.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.

User avatar
Hades
OMG CRAZY REGEN
Posts: 780
Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:30 pm

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Hades » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:11 am

I don't think Mr Haberkorn could make a good Goku, judging by his Android 19 and Tarble (from raging blast 2). Granted, I haven't heard much more of Haberkorn's work, but that's just my opinion. However, on the issue of Adult Goku, Schemmel can be taken seriously as a character, and not sound like an idiot. There's more than being "natural" for a voice, there's also credibility.
TrunksTrevelyan0064 wrote:
Scarz wrote:Like using a flamethrower to kill an ant.
Hey, a lv.100 Charizard vs a wild lv.4 Caterpie. It happens.

User avatar
Piccolo Daimao
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8749
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:23 am

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:03 am

Oh, forgot to add that Schemmel's Gokuu doesn't sound hick enough. Actually, none of the English Gokuus do. They hicked up Yajirobe, but they're apparently so afraid of making the main character of a show use casual and contracted words, for fear of alienating their viewers.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.

User avatar
LiamKav
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 373
Joined: Thu May 10, 2012 5:15 pm
Location: Liverpool, UK

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by LiamKav » Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:09 pm

I wonder if it's also because they don't want kids picking up bad pronounciations. I'm not saying that children are stupid, but they are impressionable, and if a generation changed how they said "dispicable" because of Daffy Duck, I wonder what children of the 90s would be speaking like now if Goku had been all "Hey, y'all!"

(Possibly not any different, but we'll never know...)

User avatar
Piccolo Daimao
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8749
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:23 am

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:43 pm

LiamKav wrote:I wonder if it's also because they don't want kids picking up bad pronounciations. I'm not saying that children are stupid, but they are impressionable, and if a generation changed how they said "dispicable" because of Daffy Duck, I wonder what children of the 90s would be speaking like now if Goku had been all "Hey, y'all!"

(Possibly not any different, but we'll never know...)
Kids used to watch The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, and Will Smith probably used "y'all" more times than Gokuu.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.

User avatar
sonikku956
Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
Posts: 433
Joined: Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:15 pm
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by sonikku956 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:54 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
LiamKav wrote:I wonder if it's also because they don't want kids picking up bad pronounciations. I'm not saying that children are stupid, but they are impressionable, and if a generation changed how they said "dispicable" because of Daffy Duck, I wonder what children of the 90s would be speaking like now if Goku had been all "Hey, y'all!"

(Possibly not any different, but we'll never know...)
Kids used to watch The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, and Will Smith probably used "y'all" more times than Gokuu.
But that's Will Smith.

User avatar
Piccolo Daimao
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8749
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:23 am

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:58 pm

sonikku956 wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:
LiamKav wrote:I wonder if it's also because they don't want kids picking up bad pronounciations. I'm not saying that children are stupid, but they are impressionable, and if a generation changed how they said "dispicable" because of Daffy Duck, I wonder what children of the 90s would be speaking like now if Goku had been all "Hey, y'all!"

(Possibly not any different, but we'll never know...)
Kids used to watch The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, and Will Smith probably used "y'all" more times than Gokuu.
But that's Will Smith.
Point?
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.

User avatar
Pokewhiz7
I Live Here
Posts: 2196
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:11 pm
Location: United States

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Pokewhiz7 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:29 pm

I've thought about it, and I've come to the conclusion that I like the Viz manga translation and am glad at the way it came out. The only thing that really annoys me is the censorship, and their occasional spiced-up dialog.

User avatar
Piccolo Daimao
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8749
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:23 am

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:38 pm

Pokewhiz7 wrote:I've thought about it, and I've come to the conclusion that I like the Viz manga translation and am glad at the way it came out. The only thing that really annoys me is the censorship, and their occasional spiced-up dialog.
Same here.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.

User avatar
Attitudefan
I Live Here
Posts: 2963
Joined: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:51 pm
Location: Canada

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Attitudefan » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:50 pm

What say you!?!
My favourite art style (and animation) outside Toriyama who worked on Dragon Ball: Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru, Masaki Satō, Minoru Maeda, Takeo Ide, Hisashi Eguchi, Katsumi Aoshima, Tomekichi Takeuchi, Masahiro Shimanuki, Kazuya Hisada

User avatar
Piccolo Daimao
Kicks it Old-School
Posts: 8749
Joined: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:23 am

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:03 pm

Attitudefan wrote:What say you!?!
That odd speech pattern was only in DBZ Volume 1 and 2.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.

Post Reply