If Alan Moore wrote Dragonball?

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:04 am

It’d have to be somewhat more realistic as well. Similar to Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy, but with more creative liberties taken. It’d be a pastiche of the entire Shounen manga genre, and it’d be much shorter and self-contained. See below, but maybe Vegeta and Trunks wouldn’t even exist.

Gokuu would be portrayed as a much more selfish character whose dangerous actions would have major consequences, and he’d be more like an antihero. Alan Moore would explore an actual abusive Stockholm Syndrome relationship between Piccolo and Gohan (the latter of whom having serious “daddy issues” due to Gokuu’s continual abandonment). Piccolo would have some kind of odd stench just because. Vegeta would be even more narcissistic than in the original story and he would’ve raped Blooma (think of the relationship between the Comedian and the first Silk Spectre).

She would bear his child, Trunks, who’d be homosexual and quite sexually frustrated/aggressive due to there being fuck all eligible men to fuck in his apocalyptic time. Trunks would go missing for days on end, either futilely fighting the Androids or having various abusive liaisons with young males who’d turned to becoming rent boys to survive, both on money and protection from Trunks. This future would be even more grim than in the original story.

All in all…it wouldn’t even be Dragon Ball anymore. We definitely wouldn’t have all the specials and movies, save for maybe one that Moore would complain about. It’d be cool to see, though. I loved Watchmen.

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:02 am

It wouldn't be Dragon Ball and quite honestly I think it would just plain suck.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:49 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Gokuu would be portrayed as a much more selfish character whose dangerous actions would have major consequences, and he’d be more like an antihero. Alan Moore would explore an actual abusive Stockholm Syndrome relationship between Piccolo and Gohan (the latter of whom having serious “daddy issues” due to Gokuu’s continual abandonment). Piccolo would have some kind of odd stench just because. Vegeta would be even more narcissistic than in the original story and he would’ve raped Blooma (think of the relationship between the Comedian and the first Silk Spectre).

She would bear his child, Trunks, who’d be homosexual and quite sexually frustrated/aggressive due to there being fuck all eligible men to fuck in his apocalyptic time. Trunks would go missing for days on end, either futilely fighting the Androids or having various abusive liaisons with young males who’d turned to becoming rent boys to survive, both on money and protection from Trunks. This future would be even more grim than in the original story.

So it'd be almost exactly the same, except with the happy colorful supa-shonen paint filed off so the ugly truth of Dragonball is revealed.

Hades · Post by **Hades** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:42 pm

I just had a horrible thought... Abridged!Popo as Dr. Manhattan.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:55 pm

Frank Miller's Dragon Ball Z:

Piccolo: "I've just KIDNAPPED a traumatized youngster. Strong boy. For his age, he's damn strong. Son Gohan. Age 4. Brave boy. Damn strong. Not that he's got a PRAYER of ESCAPING my GRIP--- but he's STRONG. Very promising. He just might DO. He just MIGHT. Welcome to MY world, Son Gohan. You poor boy. Welcome to HELL. Just look at him. He's a BABY. And I'm TORTURING him. It's a TERRIBLE thing to do. But it's the only WAY. It's the only WAY."

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:11 pm

penguintruth wrote:Frank Miller's Dragon Ball Z:

Piccolo: "I've just KIDNAPPED a traumatized youngster. Strong boy. For his age, he's damn strong. Son Gohan. Age 4. Brave boy. Damn strong. Not that he's got a PRAYER of ESCAPING my GRIP--- but he's STRONG. Very promising. He just might DO. He just MIGHT. Welcome to MY world, Son Gohan. You poor boy. Welcome to HELL. Just look at him. He's a BABY. And I'm TORTURING him. It's a TERRIBLE thing to do. But it's the only WAY. It's the only WAY."

Gohan: Where are my Parents?

Piccolo: I'm going to be training you, you are going to be my WARD!

Gohan: Huh? Wha- What's a ward?

Piccolo: SHUT UP! I'll do the talking here!

Gohan: Who the hell are you, giving orders like that!

Picccolo: "What are you DENSE, are you RETARDED or something? Who the hell do you THINK I am? I'm the god damn PICCOLO!

*Piccolo then proceeds to drive the Piccolo Mobile into oncoming police cars*

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:20 pm

Grant Morrison's Dragon Ball Z:

Goku: "The Overworld spirals into a neverending Dayspring, the Serpentine Road drawing out to meet the end of the Everwas. I brace the emerald grass of the solemn little GodWorld where the Catfish Ether Man waits to teach me his trade. This is the end of the Age of Gods. This is the beginning of the SaiyanTime. I can see the universe's grids. Zur-en-arrh. A song that will save the world. These are our stories."

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:34 am

No idea.

What if Orson Welles wrote Dragon Ball?

It was his childhood Power Pole!

Hades · Post by **Hades** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:53 am

Then there's Mark Waid's Dragonball:

Trunks (a borderline sociopath after seeing the hell of his future) comes back in time and kills Freeza after Goku refuses to kill him for slaughtering much of the population of Earth, including Chi-Chi. After Kami thanks Trunks, Goku vanishes for a few years, during which, Vegeta becomes a tyrant, slaughtering people on the basis that they may be threats, but neutralising villains like the Androids, Babidi and Cooler in the process. However, while fighting Cell, Tenshinhan explodes, taking Cell with him. The explosion devastates 5% of the Earth's surface. This makes Goku think for a moment that maybe abandoning the Earth wasn't such a good idea and causes even more destruction.

Michsi · Post by **Michsi** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:58 am

Gokuu would be portrayed as a much more selfish character whose dangerous actions would have major consequences, and he’d be more like an antihero. Alan Moore would explore an actual abusive Stockholm Syndrome relationship between Piccolo and Gohan (the latter of whom having serious “daddy issues” due to Gokuu’s continual abandonment). Piccolo would have some kind of odd stench just because. Vegeta would be even more narcissistic than in the original story and he would’ve raped Blooma (think of the relationship between the Comedian and the first Silk Spectre).

She would bear his child, Trunks, who’d be homosexual and quite sexually frustrated/aggressive due to there being fuck all eligible men to fuck in his apocalyptic time. Trunks would go missing for days on end, either futilely fighting the Androids or having various abusive liaisons with young males who’d turned to becoming rent boys to survive, both on money and protection from Trunks. This future would be even more grim than in the original story.

I always thought that DB could have used some more realism in terms of characters development and feelings , but reading this....no, just no.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:16 am

Rocketman wrote:
Piccolo Daimao wrote:Gokuu would be portrayed as a much more selfish character whose dangerous actions would have major consequences, and he’d be more like an antihero. Alan Moore would explore an actual abusive Stockholm Syndrome relationship between Piccolo and Gohan (the latter of whom having serious “daddy issues” due to Gokuu’s continual abandonment). Piccolo would have some kind of odd stench just because. Vegeta would be even more narcissistic than in the original story and he would’ve raped Blooma (think of the relationship between the Comedian and the first Silk Spectre).

She would bear his child, Trunks, who’d be homosexual and quite sexually frustrated/aggressive due to there being fuck all eligible men to fuck in his apocalyptic time. Trunks would go missing for days on end, either futilely fighting the Androids or having various abusive liaisons with young males who’d turned to becoming rent boys to survive, both on money and protection from Trunks. This future would be even more grim than in the original story.
So it'd be almost exactly the same, except with the happy colorful supa-shonen paint filed off so the ugly truth of Dragonball is revealed.

No, because Gokuu was never portrayed as an antihero, all that stupid selfish shit that he did always worked out in the end, and most of his enemies ended up becoming his closest friends. Throughout the series, Gokuu was depicted as a pure-hearted, incorruptible, happy-go-lucky hero who everyone counted on, despite being such an unreliable and self-absorbed Saiyan bastard. And the Stockholm Syndrome relationship between Gohan and Piccolo was never actually explored; it's just a theory from real-life. Piccolo was never stated to have an odd stench either, nor was Vegeta stated to have raped Blooma.

Trunks' sexuality was never stated; in fact, apart from the obvious gay and raging straight characters like Blue and Kame-sennin respectively, no-one's sexuality is explicitly stated in the story. Nothing about rent boys was detailed in Trunks' destroyed future.

Gonstead · Post by **Gonstead** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:54 am

Though Trunks's blushing around Vegeta can give off the wrong message until we actually learned who he was.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:40 am

Gonstead wrote:Though Trunks's blushing around Vegeta can give off the wrong message until we actually learned who he was.

As well as dub Trunks' line of "You wanna see my sword, huh?" Talking of which, I think I recall someone actually making a parody of that scene where Trunks just drops his trousers and then, like in the actual dub, Great King Kold says, "Yes, what fine craftsmanship."

Gonstead · Post by **Gonstead** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:44 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:
Gonstead wrote:Though Trunks's blushing around Vegeta can give off the wrong message until we actually learned who he was.
As well as the dub's line of "You wanna see my sword, huh?" Talking of which, I think I recall someone actually making an edit of that scene where Trunks just drops his trousers and then, like in the actual dub, King Kold says, "Yes, what fine craftsmanship."

Yeah, I know the vid your talking about, hehe.

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:01 pm

I would also love to know how Frank Miller and Alan Moore would handle the women of DB. I remember how both writers got into a bit of controversy about how they portrayed women in their comics, especially Miller.

And speaking of which...

"Bulma... She says her name is Bulma."

Gokuman1993 · Post by **Gokuman1993** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:07 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:It’d have to be somewhat more realistic as well. Similar to Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy, but with more creative liberties taken. It’d be a pastiche of the entire Shounen manga genre, and it’d be much shorter and self-contained. See below, but maybe Vegeta and Trunks wouldn’t even exist.

Gokuu would be portrayed as a much more selfish character whose dangerous actions would have major consequences, and he’d be more like an antihero. Alan Moore would explore an actual abusive Stockholm Syndrome relationship between Piccolo and Gohan (the latter of whom having serious “daddy issues” due to Gokuu’s continual abandonment). Piccolo would have some kind of odd stench just because. Vegeta would be even more narcissistic than in the original story and he would’ve raped Blooma (think of the relationship between the Comedian and the first Silk Spectre).

She would bear his child, Trunks, who’d be homosexual and quite sexually frustrated/aggressive due to there being fuck all eligible men to fuck in his apocalyptic time. Trunks would go missing for days on end, either futilely fighting the Androids or having various abusive liaisons with young males who’d turned to becoming rent boys to survive, both on money and protection from Trunks. This future would be even more grim than in the original story.

All in all…it wouldn’t even be Dragon Ball anymore. We definitely wouldn’t have all the specials and movies, save for maybe one that Moore would complain about. It’d be cool to see, though. I loved Watchmen.

Wow....I dont think I want to see Dragon Ball like that if Alan Moore wrote it....

LiamKav · Post by **LiamKav** » Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:50 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:[
Picccolo: "What are you DENSE, are you RETARDED or something? Who the hell do you THINK I am? I'm the god damn PICCOLO!

I was going to go for Freeza asking Goku who he was, and Goku responding with "I'm the god-damn Super Saiyan!", but you win here. Through in something offensive to any non-caucasians, and you're done.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:29 am

Piccolo Daimao wrote:No, because Gokuu was never portrayed as an antihero, all that stupid selfish shit that he did always worked out in the end, and most of his enemies ended up becoming his closest friends. Throughout the series, Gokuu was depicted as a pure-hearted, incorruptible, happy-go-lucky hero who everyone counted on, despite being such an unreliable and self-absorbed Saiyan bastard.

That's what I said, same events without the shonen bullshit.

And the Stockholm Syndrome relationship between Gohan and Piccolo was never actually explored; it's just a theory from real-life.

It doesn't have to be explored, because it simply is.

Michsi · Post by **Michsi** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:15 am

Rocketman wrote:
And the Stockholm Syndrome relationship between Gohan and Piccolo was never actually explored; it's just a theory from real-life.

It doesn't have to be explored, because it simply is.

My senses were tingling and I come running. The "shonen paint" as you call it, keep it from being anything like that .
Besides, this has nothing to do with the genre, it's simply a light hearted story. And taking that away doesn't t automatically have to result in grimdark.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:13 am

Michsi wrote:My senses were tingling and I come running. The "shonen paint" as you call it, keep it from being anything like that .

No, it just paints over the consequences. Much like nobody cares that Vegeta straight-up murders a guy in the Android arc.

Kanzenshuu

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