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Piccolo's demon heritage denied

Post by Appūru-sama » Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:12 pm

Why do you think in the FUNi dub they constantly failed to mention Piccolo's demonic background? Seems like a pretty important plot point and milestone in his character development. He's always referred to an "evil king" or a monster at worst (which sounds quite lame). However in the Japanese version before he learnt of his Namekian blood he not only considered himself a demon, but a proud member of the Demon race. Even in Kai, which is the most faithful dub of the series yet, still seems to omit his past.
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Re: Piccolo's demon heritage denied

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:09 pm

Perhaps for censorship purposes?
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Re: Piccolo's demon heritage denied

Post by matt0044 » Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:24 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Perhaps for censorship purposes?
Even in the so-called Uncut dub?
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Re: Piccolo's demon heritage denied

Post by Fulicer » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:43 pm

That is a bit annoying. I wish that they would mention that in uncut Kai, especially since Sabat wanted to make sure that the story was not tampered with. Kami mentioned something about what happens to souls that are killed by demons in the Japanese version, and that was left out in Kai. Everything else seemed fine though.

Well, at least in a Ultimate Tenkaichi cutscene English Piccolo refers to himself as "The Great Demon King Piccolo."
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Post by Travis Touchdown » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:26 pm

But Piccolo's NOT a demon though. That was retconned the moment Vegeta referred to him as a Namekian.
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Re: Piccolo's demon heritage denied

Post by Makaioshin » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:29 pm

Travis Touchdown wrote:But Piccolo's NOT a demon though. That was retconned the moment Vegeta referred to him as a Namekian.
He was still a demonic Namekian. All of his victims were unable to pass on to the afterlife and remained suffering in the world of the living.
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Re: Piccolo's demon heritage denied

Post by Adamant » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:39 pm

Travis Touchdown wrote:But Piccolo's NOT a demon though. That was retconned the moment Vegeta referred to him as a Namekian.
He was (the reincarnation of) a demon created when a Namekian purged his body of evil. There was no retcon there, what planet the guy whose evil he was the personification of came from doesn't change whether he's demonic in nature or not.
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Re: Piccolo's demon heritage denied

Post by enapace » Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:23 pm

Travis Touchdown wrote:But Piccolo's NOT a demon though. That was retconned the moment Vegeta referred to him as a Namekian.
I thought it was actually nappa who said piccolo was a Namekian my bad.
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Re: Piccolo's demon heritage denied

Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:28 pm

Likely in the name of good taste; they first denied it when this same Demon was referencing the Bible, after all. Afterward it basically had to kept for consistency, I would guess.
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Re: Piccolo's demon heritage denied

Post by Fulicer » Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:12 am

BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Likely in the name of good taste; they first denied it when this same Demon was referencing the Bible, after all. Afterward it basically had to kept for consistency, I would guess.
It's probably because of the consistency thing. They would have confused people who watched the dub before. They can let some references to the original like "Son Goku" and "Taiouken" slip in here and there. On a Kai panel, Sabat said that he was interested primarily in preserving the story. The name thing was secondary. So the demon heritage unfortunately didn't make it...probably because it was less important to them.

Still, it would have been nice to include it in Kai.
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Post by Travis Touchdown » Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:35 am

Makaioshin wrote:
Travis Touchdown wrote:But Piccolo's NOT a demon though. That was retconned the moment Vegeta referred to him as a Namekian.
He was still a demonic Namekian. All of his victims were unable to pass on to the afterlife and remained suffering in the world of the living.
But... King Yemma said Raditz passed into the afterlife just fine.
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Re: Piccolo's demon heritage denied

Post by Bussani » Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:41 am

Travis Touchdown wrote:But... King Yemma said Raditz passed into the afterlife just fine.
And that was a plot point about how Piccolo had changed. It didn't change the fact that he (or maybe just his father/former life/whatever--we never are sure) was a demon in the past.
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Re: Piccolo's demon heritage denied

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:48 am

Travis Touchdown wrote:But Piccolo's NOT a demon though. That was retconned the moment Vegeta referred to him as a Namekian.
The Daizenshuu (I think) mentioned that Namekians that are pure evil belong to the Demon Clan.
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Re: Piccolo's demon heritage denied

Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:35 am

Fulicer wrote:
BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Still, it would have been nice to include it in Kai.
Didn't Piccolo mention being the Son of King Piccolo when he was killed by Nappa in the uncut dub? Could have sworn that one got in.
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Re: Piccolo's demon heritage denied

Post by Fulicer » Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:19 am

BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:
Fulicer wrote:
BlazingFiddlesticks wrote:Still, it would have been nice to include it in Kai.
Didn't Piccolo mention being the Son of King Piccolo when he was killed by Nappa in the uncut dub? Could have sworn that one got in.
Maybe. But the demon part has only been mentioned in Ultimate Tenkaichi.
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