The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Mjb1985]

It may not be concrete, but it's worth looking into. Clear, sound , logical assumptions shouldn't be discarded as non factual and thrown in the bin with all of the other garbage. Anyway , you think Gohan's Rage Boosted Super Saiyan 2 is what he is calling his true power in the statement?

[Saiga]

It may not be concrete, but it's worth looking into. Clear, sound , logical assumptions shouldn't be discarded as non factual and thrown in the bin with all of the other garbage. Anyway , you think Gohan's Rage Boosted Super Saiyan 2 is what he is calling his true power in the statement?

Yeah, that makes more sense to me. His anger powers him up by drawing on his hidden powers, and Goku had just told him that if he got angry no one would be able to beat him.

[Mjb1985]

So your saying Super Saiyan 2 couldn't have gotten the job done against Initial Fat Buu and Dabura?

[Saiga]

So your saying Super Saiyan 2 couldn't have gotten the job done against Initial Fat Buu and Dabura?

I follow Daizenshuu 7 in saying that Gohan was a SS2 when he fought Dabra, and he was losing.

[Mystic Gohan]

So your saying Super Saiyan 2 couldn't have gotten the job done against Initial Fat Buu and Dabura?

I follow Daizenshuu 7 in saying that Gohan was a SS2 when he fought Dabra, and he was losing.

And yet he was drawn as a SSJ.

[Saiga]

And yet he was drawn as a SSJ.

Goku has been drawn SS2 without sparks, so has kid Gohan.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goku has been drawn SS2 without sparks, so has kid Gohan.

When was Goku drawn as SS2 without sparks for entire chapters?
Besides, if Gohan was SS2, Boo would have been revived. SS2 gives Boo rapidly a lot of energy, as proved by the SS2 Goku vs SS2 Vegeta fight. If Gohan was at SS2, the this would mean that Dabra would also be at SS2 level. So, it would be like a SS2 vs SS2 fight, which would have given a lot of energy, something that didn't happen.

[Saiga]

Goku has been drawn SS2 without sparks, so has kid Gohan.

When was Goku drawn as SS2 without sparks for entire chapters?
Besides, if Gohan was SS2, Boo would have been revived. SS2 gives Boo rapidly a lot of energy, as proved by the SS2 Goku vs SS2 Vegeta fight. If Gohan was at SS2, the this would mean that Dabra would also be at SS2 level. So, it would be like a SS2 vs SS2 fight, which would have given a lot of energy, something that didn't happen.

No, but kid Gohan was drawn without them in loads of panels.

Not necessarily, if Dabra isn't inflicting much damage on Gohan then Boo isn't going to get much energy.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

No, but kid Gohan was drawn without them in loads of panels.

Just checked the whole battle in the manga. Gohan was without sparks when he landed 2 hits on Cell, when he was firing Kamehameha two times, when the shot was very close to his face, and when he had no aura.
Besides, in the battle with Dabra, the problem wasn't just the sparks. His aura, hairstyle, facial expressions, everything screamed Super Saiyan and not Super Saiyan 2. He had zero Super Saiyan 2 characteristics.

[Saiga]

Just checked the whole battle in the manga. Gohan was without sparks when he landed 2 hits on Cell, when he was firing Kamehameha two times, when the shot was very close to his face, and when he had no aura.
Besides, in the battle with Dabra, the problem wasn't just the sparks. His aura, hairstyle, facial expressions, everything screamed Super Saiyan and not Super Saiyan 2. He had zero Super Saiyan 2 characteristics.

His hairstyle isn't a good indication, and neither is facial expression. Aura is the only real thing against it, but we've seen SS2's with Aura's lacking sparks so it doesn't make it impossible.

[Mjb1985]

A Super Saiyan 2 has never been consistently lacking sparks. Gotham went whole chapters without any sparks this is a done deal IMO. Some people will hold on no matter the evidence though. Anyway no way we are getting stuck on that dead topic it he doesn't know by now let him do his own research lets do the next battle.

[Saiga]

He's only shown fighting Dabra for a single chapter, so don't tell me that I can't do research if you can't get that right.

And Daizenshuu 7 states that Gohan was SS2, which should be more than enough to show my stance isn't illogical.

[hleV]

He's only shown fighting Dabra for a single chapter, so don't tell me that I can't do research if you can't get that right.

And Daizenshuu 7 states that Gohan was SS2, which should be more than enough to show my stance isn't illogical.

Some other guidebook states that he was only SSJ. Since it seems that way in the manga as well, we can assume that there's a mistake in D7.

[Saiga]

He's only shown fighting Dabra for a single chapter, so don't tell me that I can't do research if you can't get that right.

And Daizenshuu 7 states that Gohan was SS2, which should be more than enough to show my stance isn't illogical.

Some other guidebook states that he was only SSJ. Since it seems that way in the manga as well, we can assume that there's a mistake in D7.

No, it doesn't. That guidebook simply doesn't have 37+ for Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 form, which isn't the same as stating he was only SS1. It's also more likely to be a mistake since they make the exact same mistake with his "Ultimate Warrior" form.

[Mjb1985]

Let's not waste time on this issue. Everyone is firmly in their place and no one is budging.

Let's try another battle.

Kuririn ( VS Freeza ) vs Captain Ginyu

Has Kuririn powered up enough to replace the former #2 in the empire?

[roidrage]

I'm assuming you're talking about Kurilin vs. 2nd form Freeza, in which case I don't see how it's even remotely possible. He didn't do any training, he doesn't get stronger after a near-death experience, and the most he could do against Freeza was slice off his tail and distract him while Dende healed Gohan.

That is, if that's the Kurilin vs. Freeza you're referring to, i'm not sure.

[Son_Gohan]

A Super Saiyan 2 has never been consistently lacking sparks.

I don't know if you could say that as a matter of fact, since it really depends on how you perceive a Super Saiyan 2.

People could argue that Vegeta was a SSJ2 the whole time he was possessed by Babidi, and there are pages where he would be consistently lacking them.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Krillin was at 75,000 by that point, so while he'd be strong enough to beat the other Ginyu members, he'd lose to Ginyu.

[Mjb1985]

Oh yea I forgot they have a guidebook number for Kuririn there. 75,000 is actually not too bad. I personally would double that, but not too shabby.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I don't know if you could say that as a matter of fact, since it really depends on how you perceive a Super Saiyan 2.

What? Super Saiyan 2 has it's own characteristics. Mean eyes, a bit longer & more spiky hair, bigger & wilder aura with sparks. Gohan had none of these characteristics.

People could argue that Vegeta was a SSJ2 the whole time he was possessed by Babidi, and there are pages where he would be consistently lacking them.

People would argue about this without facts. The events show that he powered up into SS2 when he fought with Goku.