Dragon Ball Online wasn't confirmed to be manga canon, therefore I can ignore it. I believe that most of the main cast, if not all of them, would live just as long, if not moreso, as Muten Roushi. I mean, his sister is a fortuneteller that's much older than even him and is basically an escort (no, not like that) for people moving between the realms of the living and the dead, which could mean that their parents were pretty supernatural too, but we don't know. Tsuru-sennin's around the same age as Kame-sennin too.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:I would have accepted that if DBO didn't say that almost all of the main cast is already dead. Maybe it has something to do with his combination of being a master martial arts hermit and master pervert. =P Yin and Yang, all about finding balance. =PPiccolo Daimao wrote:He's definitely Earthling; he just disciplined his body past the level of normal human ability and into superhuman ability. Characters like Gokuu and Kuririn, who've trained under him and since surpassed him, could probably live as long as he will, if not moreso because they're so much more strong and skilled than him.
That would make Baba, Tsuru and Tao closet perverts though...but I can live with that. xD
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I would imagine that he could die from old age since he is still human. If I take GT into account as a canon, then we don't know if he is still alive or not in Hero's Legacy? I would imagine that he could be alive by the end of GT. I think him, Pan, maybe #18 and Ubb are the only ones that could be alive by the end of GT.
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I don't consider Hero's Legacy canon, but the rest of GT I do. But I agree with Piccolo Daimao, I think that Goku, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, and the others could live as long or longer than Muten Roshi.Hellspawn28 wrote:I would imagine that he could die from old age since he is still human. If I take GT into account as a canon, then we don't know if he is still alive or not in Hero's Legacy? I would imagine that he could be alive by the end of GT. I think him, Pan, maybe #18 and Ubb are the only ones that could be alive by the end of GT.
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Piccolo Daimao wrote:Well, Saichourou was over 500 at his first appearance in the series, and he eventually died due to old age, birthing too many children, and/or becoming too bloated from drinking too much water. And in the Saiyan arc, the God of Earth, who was 500 (according to Herms' Age guide), tells Mr. Popo that he has a feeling he's going to die in the upcoming year, but he doesn't know whether or not it's that Piccolo would be killed by the Saiyans or that his lifespan would happen to end around that time.
I don't see what that proves about Roshi. One could argue what's true for them is true for him, but I have a hard time believing humans in the DB universe are naturally capable of living as long as he is. There's something supernatural going on there I think.
IIRC, Roshi says, "And I'm afraid I lied about drinking the elixir of immortality," (and that's the Viz version. If someone could provide a more accurate translation, much appreciated). Really stretching, but it could mean he's immune to natural death but not being killed, which is what he seemed to be trying to reassure Tenshinhan.
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Why not?DoomieDoomie911 wrote:I don't consider Hero's Legacy canon, but the rest of GT I do.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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roidrage wrote:Piccolo Daimao wrote:Well, Saichourou was over 500 at his first appearance in the series, and he eventually died due to old age, birthing too many children, and/or becoming too bloated from drinking too much water. And in the Saiyan arc, the God of Earth, who was 500 (according to Herms' Age guide), tells Mr. Popo that he has a feeling he's going to die in the upcoming year, but he doesn't know whether or not it's that Piccolo would be killed by the Saiyans or that his lifespan would happen to end around that time.
I don't see what that proves about Roshi. One could argue what's true for them is true for him, but I have a hard time believing humans in the DB universe are naturally capable of living as long as he is. There's something supernatural going on there I think.
IIRC, Roshi says, "And I'm afraid I lied about drinking the elixir of immortality," (and that's the Viz version. If someone could provide a more accurate translation, much appreciated). Really stretching, but it could mean he's immune to natural death but not being killed, which is what he seemed to be trying to reassure Tenshinhan.
Namekians aren't supernatural either, so your point's invalid. Mine was that, just because you live past 300 or something, it doesn't mean that you're suddenly immortal.
Not that I'm ruling out the possibility that Roushi could be immortal, judging by his even older sister (who can tell the future and flit between the living and dead realms). And both he and Tsuru-sennins are, well, sennins. Karin's referred to as a sennin too, and he's, like, over 800 and practically Kami's bouncer ("You gotta get acceptance from me if you wanna see the Big Man, kid.")
And all Roushi's statement mean is that he lied to a protesting Tenshinhan about drinking the elixir of immortality, to reassure him that he wouldn't be killed by Daimaou or the Mafuuba. But after he knocked him out with that sleeping mist, he admitted that he was lying, since Tenshinhan can't attempt to stop him anymore. It just means, "He never drunk any immortality elixir", which means, "He's literally not immortal". As in, he didn't gain the ability to not die. Whether that means "He can't be killed" or "he literally can't die, whether that be from natural old age or something else" is, I guess, up to you.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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Re: Can Muten Roshi die of old age?
I don't know if this is a factor....but look at what kinda time frame these people live in. It looks like BC with futuristic elements. I remember in the bible (BC), people were able to live about 800-900 years (don't ask), so to me it doesn't sound to farfetched for anyone is DBZ to live past 100.
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But in the Bible, aren't those people explicitly stated to be Prophets or something? As it is, there's nothing mentioned in either the manga or guidebooks that states the lifespans of normal Earthlings are any different than those in real-life. Kame-sennin had been touted as a sennin from the beginning, from his name to his lifestyle and abilities.DarkPrince_92 wrote:I don't know if this is a factor....but look at what kinda time frame these people live in. It looks like BC with futuristic elements. I remember in the bible (BC), people were able to live about 800-900 years (don't ask), so to me it doesn't sound to farfetched for anyone is DBZ to live past 100.
And Gokuu's shocked when he learns that Kame-sennin's at least 300 and Karin's over 800. He wouldn't be shocked if that was the norm.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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Because I don't like the idea of "Goku Junior". He can supposedly turn into a Super Saiyan when Pan couldn't. It says at the beginning that it takes place 100 years after the events of GT. It also says that EVERYBODY else is dead other than Pan, wouldn't Marron, Trunks, Goten, Bra etc. still possibly be alive?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Why not?DoomieDoomie911 wrote:I don't consider Hero's Legacy canon, but the rest of GT I do.
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We don't know if Pan became a Super Saiyan after GT. And so, assume you don't count as canon the last part of the final episode, right?DoomieDoomie911 wrote:Because I don't like the idea of "Goku Junior". He can supposedly turn into a Super Saiyan when Pan couldn't. It says at the beginning that it takes place 100 years after the events of GT.
Being over 110 years old isn't an easy feat.DoomieDoomie911 wrote:It also says that EVERYBODY else is dead other than Pan, wouldn't Marron, Trunks, Goten, Bra etc. still possibly be alive?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Well we see Yamucha, Tenshinhan, and Choatzu still alive. And no I don't consider the last part of GT canon, though it is officially canon.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:We don't know if Pan became a Super Saiyan after GT. And so, assume you don't count as canon the last part of the final episode, right?DoomieDoomie911 wrote:Because I don't like the idea of "Goku Junior". He can supposedly turn into a Super Saiyan when Pan couldn't. It says at the beginning that it takes place 100 years after the events of GT.
Being over 110 years old isn't an easy feat.DoomieDoomie911 wrote:It also says that EVERYBODY else is dead other than Pan, wouldn't Marron, Trunks, Goten, Bra etc. still possibly be alive?
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They are not at their 100 when we see them.DoomieDoomie911 wrote:Well we see Yamucha, Tenshinhan, and Choatzu still alive.
There is no official canon. Canon is what you want, and it's canon for yourself. I just asked you out of curiosity.DoomieDoomie911 wrote:And no I don't consider the last part of GT canon, though it is officially canon.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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We see them at the end of GT which is supposed to take place right after the events of A Hero's Legacy. Yamucha and Tenshinhan would have at least been a 130 or so. And yes there is an official canon, but there is also a personal canon.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:They are not at their 100 when we see them.DoomieDoomie911 wrote:Well we see Yamucha, Tenshinhan, and Choatzu still alive.
There is no official canon. Canon is what you want, and it's canon for yourself. I just asked you out of curiosity.DoomieDoomie911 wrote:And no I don't consider the last part of GT canon, though it is officially canon.
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No it doesn't. None of the official sources has ever used the word "canon".DoomieDoomie911 wrote:And yes there is an official canon
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Toyble of Dragon Ball AF seams to think so! The death of Muten-Roshi portrayed in his "Final Chapter" is brilliant. It's actually part of my personal canon.
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You are confused. We see them at the moment were Goku leaves with Shen Long, right after the battle with Yi Xing Long. Then we see Shen Long leaving the Earth with Goku, and then we go 100 years later.DoomieDoomie911 wrote:We see them at the end of GT which is supposed to take place right after the events of A Hero's Legacy. Yamucha and Tenshinhan would have at least been a 130 or so.
No there is not.DoomieDoomie911 wrote:And yes there is an official canon
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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There is a storyline in which things happen. Bulma met Goku at the beginning of the series, this happened in the story, this has been proven by the original manga and anime, therefore it is canon. Then there are things that are arguable, those are the things that can be added to a personal canon. The canon mentioned above would be official canon. So they are two different things.Fox666 wrote:No it doesn't. None of the official sources has ever used the word "canon".DoomieDoomie911 wrote:And yes there is an official canon
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No, it is not. That's just your thoughts about the importance of the story-line.
An example of official cannon is George Lucas saying that if you really want to be strict about canon you should go only by the movies. There have never been words as such in Dragon Ball.
An example of official cannon is George Lucas saying that if you really want to be strict about canon you should go only by the movies. There have never been words as such in Dragon Ball.
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You are confused. We see them at the moment were Goku leaves with Shen Long, right after the battle with Yi Xing Long. Then we see Shen Long leaving the Earth with Goku, and then we go 100 years later.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:DoomieDoomie911 wrote:We see them at the end of GT which is supposed to take place right after the events of A Hero's Legacy. Yamucha and Tenshinhan would have at least been a 130 or so.
Well, I dug up the last episode of GT, and you were right. Forgive me for being incorrect.
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It's OK.DoomieDoomie911 wrote:Well, I dug up the last episode of GT, and you were right. Forgive me for being incorrect.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.