Is GT Episode #63 the darkest in the entrie series?

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

If you think about it, that episode is the only one that actually feels like there's no hope for our heroes. There was actually a sense of despair in it, unlike any episodes before it in the entrie series. Goku and Vegeta had reverted back to regular form from SSj4, and were no match against Super Yi Xing Long any longer. Goku was nearly killed by one of his attacks, but before the scene showed Goku's body laying in the huge hole, he was nowhere to be found. The evil dragon then developed the minus energy all over the earth causing all the kinds of natural disasters. From the look of it, the earth would have been scattered into pieces had he not stopped it. They tried to stop him, but to no avail. There was nothing they could do. That episode had to be the darkest of them all, excluding the Trunks special.

What do you guys think? I'm really curious about your thought on this one.

[DHM211]

If you think about it, that episode is the only one that actually feels like there's no hope for our heroes. There was actually a sense of despair in it, unlike any episodes before it in the entrie series. Goku and Vegeta had reverted back to regular form from SSj4, and were no match against Super Yi Xing Long any longer. Goku was nearly killed by one of his attacks, but before the scene showed Goku's body laying in the huge hole, he was nowhere to be found. The evil dragon then developed the minus energy all over the earth causing all the kinds of natural disasters. From the look of it, the earth would have been scattered into pieces had he not stopped it. They tried to stop him, but to no avail. There was nothing they could do. That episode had to be the darkest of them all, excluding the Trunks special.

What do you guys think? I'm really curious about your thought on this one.

Edit:Never mind. But yea it was very dark.

[Rory]

Maybe it was pretty grim, but at the same time some enemies have done worse. Gokuh being out of energy after the Genki Dama on Namek, having to helplessly watch his friends die one after another, then being told his son would die next. Nobody was anywhere near matching Freeza's monstrous level of power, Gokuh managed to pull out his trump card, and even that wasn't enough, he couldn't stand up to 50% at his best, now he's at his weakest; personally I found this to be much darker than what happened in GT #63.
Let's not forget, Boo actually massacred the population of Earth, then blew up the planet.

[DarkPrince_92]

Before the Z warriors beat every villain there was a grim situation. Ever seen Hajime No Ippo.....same thing with every fight Ippo was in.

[InfernalVegito]

Yep I can agree with you OP. This is also why Super Yi Xing Long is my absolute favorite villain. Totally overpowered and menacing in every aspect. They literally had no chance against him (except for the Genidama obviously) and therefore the sense of hopelessness was perfectly created.

[Deep Thought]

Before the Z warriors beat every villain there was a grim situation. Ever seen Hajime No Ippo.....same thing with every fight Ippo was in.

I agree with this. Rory already summed up the Freeza and Buu arcs, but even the Cell arc has that element of despair. Cell tortured all the Z-Warriors to near death with his miniatures and almost broke Gohan's spine and Gohan still couldn't summon the necessary rage to beat Cell.

Honestly, if they weren't so lame as villains in hindsight, the Z-Warrior's defeat by Cyborgs 17 and 18 would've been the most grim defeat that they suffered. Think about it, they were getting trounced horribly and there was nothing to save them this time, no Goku (even if he was there they would have lost), no deus ex machina, nothing. The entire team (save for Gohan) at the time fought their hardest and they just got destroyed, it was the toughest loss in a way because even though the Z fighters have been on the erge of defeat, something saves them (at least in Dragon Ball Z) at the very last minute. There was none of that, just a straight defeat. Afterword, the team was filled with bitternes, anger, and contempt for one another (see Piccolo, Vegeta, honestly Tenshinhan was the only one with a cool head). This is promptly forgotten later on in the series, but this is the first major loss that the Z fighters face in Dragon Ball Z (And only out of two, the only other instance was Majin Vegeta, unless you count Gohan/Dabra against Buu as well).

As for the original Dragon Ball? Lets not even count that, Goku loses almost as much as he wins in that series.

[Deep Thought]

I am having serious post lag, I apologize for these double posts I keep making.

[Nex Carnifex]

I think the darkest it got was when 18 had just literally broken all the Z-fighters and the androids headed off to kill a currently bed ridden Goku. I was watching it with my mom and she complained about how depressing the show was.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I think the show was darker back in the Piccolo Daimao Arc. The main heroes were dying for the first time, death still felt like it meant something (only Bora had been revived by that point), Piccolo was uber strong and even killed off Shenlong...

[Piccolo Daimao]

Other dark moments is when Vegeta's sadistically beating the shit out of an already injured Gokuu while Gohan tearfully watches, Gokuu's nightmare of his friends getting killed while Freeza's drowning him, and Cell's human-absorbing spree.

[Rukura]

I agree with GT #63 being the darkest. I've actually thought that for a while.

In any other point in the series there always seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah, Piccolo Daimao is defeating everyone left and right...but we see Goku surviving and getting stronger. Yeah, the androids just defeated even Super Saiyan Vegeta...but Goku is taking Trunks' medicine and can recover. And in most of those situations (excluding Piccolo Daimao) we always had the Dragon Balls to kinda fall back on.

In GT episode 63, everyone has been defeated. Goku has been defeated and left for dead. The planet is covered in Minus Energy and dying. Everyone (Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten) ACCEPTS their fate, accepts defeat, and goes to stall for time to allow the others to get out of the planet. Except they're not even strong enough to do that. Vegeta is left defeated on the ground, next to Goku's supposed grave, with a huge hole in his shoulder. At this point, you don't even consider falling back on the Dragon Balls, because THAT'S what they're fighting against. (Until Goku says he can't die yet and rises with the biggest Genki Dama ever to save the day.)To me, that was the worse case, apocalyptic, lose-lose kinda scenario that I can't really compare with any other point in the series.

[SilverPlaqueVII]

I agree with GT #63 being the darkest. I've actually thought that for a while.

In any other point in the series there always seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah, Piccolo Daimao is defeating everyone left and right...but we see Goku surviving and getting stronger. Yeah, the androids just defeated even Super Saiyan Vegeta...but Goku is taking Trunks' medicine and can recover. And in most of those situations (excluding Piccolo Daimao) we always had the Dragon Balls to kinda fall back on.

In GT episode 63, everyone has been defeated. Goku has been defeated and left for dead. The planet is covered in Minus Energy and dying. Everyone (Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten) ACCEPTS their fate, accepts defeat, and goes to stall for time to allow the others to get out of the planet. Except they're not even strong enough to do that. Vegeta is left defeated on the ground, next to Goku's supposed grave, with a huge hole in his shoulder. At this point, you don't even consider falling back on the Dragon Balls, because THAT'S what they're fighting against. (Until Goku says he can't die yet and rises with the biggest Genki Dama ever to save the day.)To me, that was the worse case, apocalyptic, lose-lose kinda scenario that I can't really compare with any other point in the series.

Darkest and destructive scene was Ii-Shenlong is trying to destroy the universe and Earth after putting Goku down just as depicted at 2:09 to end in the scenes such as Saiyan-Tsufuru wars, Vegeta sacrificing himself, Kid Buu destroying the Earth, Gero/Myu opening up Hell, Piccolo Daimao Arc, and Freeza destroyed Planet Vegeta and Namek combined as one tower blew up from the LOTR film causing an earthquake.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Darkest and destructive scene was Ii-Shenlong is trying to destroy the universe and Earth after putting Goku down just as depicted at 2:09 to end in the scenes such as Saiyan-Tsufuru wars, Vegeta sacrificing himself, Kid Buu destroying the Earth, Gero/Myu opening up Hell, Piccolo Daimao Arc, and Freeza destroyed Planet Vegeta and Namek combined as one tower blew up from the LOTR film causing an earthquake.

Dude, are you fucking high?

[Bardock the Mexican]

Darkest and destructive scene was Ii-Shenlong is trying to destroy the universe and Earth after putting Goku down just as depicted at 2:09 to end in the scenes such as Saiyan-Tsufuru wars, Vegeta sacrificing himself, Kid Buu destroying the Earth, Gero/Myu opening up Hell, Piccolo Daimao Arc, and Freeza destroyed Planet Vegeta and Namek combined as one tower blew up from the LOTR film causing an earthquake.

Dude, are you fucking high?

On the contrary, I think the lack of chemicals in his brain is the cause for his post.

DBGT was a collective hallucination and that's all it should ever be.

The people at Toei made it as a naked, in your face, money grubbing scheme since the pretense fell out back in the Buu saga. Nothing more and nothing less.

[sonikku956]

Other dark moments is when Vegeta's sadistically beating the shit out of an already injured Gokuu while Gohan tearfully watches, Gokuu's nightmare of his friends getting killed when Freeza's drowning him, and Cell's human-absorbing spree.

When I saw this in Kai, I actually teared up, especially at the part with Chichi and Gohan.

[Fox666]

I can't feel any episode of GT is dark beucase most of the time that series feel like a slapstick comedy.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I can't feel any episode of GT is dark beucase most of the time that series feel like a slapstick comedy.

I think that's the only dark episode.

[Saiga]

I think the darkest moment would have to be when the Z fighters are being killed during the Saiyan arc. Especially the during the first read through, when there is no knowledge of the Namekian Dragon Balls being able to bring everybody back.

[Cipher]

DBGT was a collective hallucination and that's all it should ever be.

The people at Toei made it as a naked, in your face, money grubbing scheme since the pretense fell out back in the Buu saga. Nothing more and nothing less.

Yeah, man. I don't like GT either, so we should never talk about it.

[Bardock the Mexican]

DBGT was a collective hallucination and that's all it should ever be.

The people at Toei made it as a naked, in your face, money grubbing scheme since the pretense fell out back in the Buu saga. Nothing more and nothing less.

Yeah, man. I don't like GT either, so we should never talk about it.

Or discuss it just because you can.