The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Saiga]

Kuririn just as he's arrived on Namek vs. Tenshinhan in the Saiyan arc

I don't think Kuririn would have made any real improvements through his image training, so it wouldn't be much different to Saiyan Arc Kuririn fighting Tenshinhan. As such, Tenshinhan would most likely win.

Kuririn at end of the Freeza arc vs. Recoom, Butta & Jheese.

Ginyu estimated that Goku should be around 60,000 to defeat Butta and Recoome, so I'd say that Kurilin is strong enough to handle the three of them by himself.

[Blackstripe]

In regards to my Goku+Tien fusion scenario...

If Vegeta did use Oozaru, could he survive a direct hit by 'Tenku''s Kikoho?

[Saiga]

In regards to my Goku+Tenshinhan fusion scenario...

If Vegeta did use Oozaru, could he survive a direct hit by 'Tenku''s Kikoho?

Of course. He's stronger than "Tenku" after all.

[dbgtFO]

Goku already displayed a power of 32,000 5 years ago. Gero states he accounted for dramatic increases.

No, he said the direct opposite:

Chapter 340 (DBZ 146), P8.6-7
Goku: “I see…But did you spy on the battle on Planet Namek too?”
No.20: “There was no need. By the battle with Vegeta and co., we had already completely grasped your power and techniques. We calculated that no matter how much you improved afterwards, considering your age, you wouldn’t have any increases as enormous as you had before…”

Dr. Gero basically thought Goku had peaked.

[Mystic Gohan]

I made up my mind on the SS? Gohan topic. It's a plot-hole for me. Gohan is:

a) A Super Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan 2, or

b) A Super Saiyan 2 with the appearance of a Super Saiyan.

I don't know what to choose, it's a plot-hole either way.

Or just me hear me out, this is kind of crazy. Maybe, just maybe Gohan was a SSJ with the power of a SSJ.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Or just me hear me out, this is kind of crazy. Maybe, just maybe Gohan was a SSJ with the power of a SSJ.

If he was, how could he take zero damage from Dabra, who was stronger than Super Perfect Cell?
Anyway, let's not continue this, Kaboom told us to end this topic.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Kuririn just as he's arrived on Namek vs. Tenshinhan in the Saiyan arc

I don't think Kuririn was all that far off from Tenshinhan in the Saiyan arc, so after image training with Gohan, he would've improved slightly and gotten closer to Tenshinhan, but still hadn't surpassed him. So I'd say that they'd have a roughly even fight, but Tenshinhan's superior skill and technique would edge him the winw.

Kuririn at end of the Freeza arc vs. Recoom, Butta & Jheese

To be honest, I think that Kuririn was still a tad weaker than them, so any of them alone would be enough to defeat him.

[mattymoron]

Gero observing the Saiyan battle means that he'd be aware that they can suppress their energy.

So we can't say jack about what Yamcha's battle power has to be from that.

No, I mean, I was saying that Gero as #20 would have to be at least stronger than that. I may not have been clear there.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Tien would still beat Krillin. I don't think Krillin really gained any power on the way to namek.

Krillin stomps the Ginyu Force without much trouble.

[Mjb1985]

Kuririn was stated to be a help against a 530,000 power level. Heck even against a 530,000 power level that transformed.

I think you'd be hard pressed to consider Ginyu a help against Freeza.

Kuririn has surpassed every villian beforehand , I don't see why that would end with Ginyu of all people.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Kuririn was stated to be a help against a 530,000 power level. Heck even against a 530,000 power level that transformed.

I think you'd be hard pressed to consider Ginyu a help against Freeza.

Kuririn has surpassed every villian beforehand , I don't see why that would end with Ginyu of all people.

Vegeta was almost even with Freeza, so two extra people would be a help, no matter how strong they were. When talking about a fight against a power of 530k, the difference between 35k and 75k isn't that much.

[Mjb1985]

Vegeta intends on beating a transformed version of Freeza with Kuririn and Gohan's help though. That suggests that they can't be all that far behind. Sure I can place them in say the 200-300k range or so, but anything way below that seems to be miracle thinking.

[hleV]

Vegeta intends on beating a transformed version of Freeza with Kuririn and Gohan's help though. That suggests that they can't be all that far behind. Sure I can place them in say the 200-300k range or so, but anything way below that seems to be miracle thinking.

Zarbon's transformation increased his power by 7,000 (or ~30%). Vegeta couldn't have expected for Freeza to become like twice stronger by transforming.

Or are you talking about Vegeta's confidence AFTER Freeza transformed? Because there was no confidence.

[Mjb1985]

7%? I don't know where you learned to do math but you should go get a refund man.

[hleV]

It's 30%, I made an error because of that 7,000. It's not nice to reply in such manner, though, as my point still stands.

[Mjb1985]

Just being a jerk lol.

Yep, I agree with that. Vegeta sure as hell did not expect a doubling up of power or better. Boy did he crap himself when he felt Freeza's power huh?

[Rocketman]

Goku already displayed a power of 32,000 5 years ago. Gero states he accounted for dramatic increases.

Gero saw Goku use a technique that massively boosted his base power of 8,000. A technique that wrecked his body and left him nearly powerless...and one he wouldn't be using just standing around.

[Mjb1985]

Whatever it doesn't matter. The humans + Piccolo's suppressed power + Vegeta's blast are supposed to close the gap between Vegeta and Dr Gero. The humans are far stronger than anyone gives them credit for.

I would place the humans at minimum at 10 million based on that.

[hleV]

The humans + Piccolo's suppressed power + Vegeta's blast are supposed to close the gap between Vegeta and Dr Gero.

So you believe in Gero's power-related statements even though pretty much all of them were proven to be wrong. He's almost as unreliable as Kaioshin.

[Mjb1985]

Vegeta thought they were somewhat accurate. How dare you speak about my precious Kaioshin that way!