The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kaboom]

No more on the tired old Gohan Vs Dabra thing, please.

[Insertclevername]

Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu vs. Boo (Gohan absorbed)

[mysticboy]

Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu vs. Boo (Gohan absorbed)

Goku. Easily.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu vs. Boo (Gohan absorbed)

I'm compelled to say Gokuu, but since GT's power-scaling is all kinds of crazy...*shrugs*

[Rocketman]

Buu crushes Goku with minimal effort.

[Insertclevername]

Buu crushes Goku with minimal effort.

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Does anyone know the SSJ4 multiplier? (if there even is one?)

[Kaboom]

Buu crushes Goku with minimal effort.

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Does anyone know the SSJ4 multiplier? (if there even is one?)

There was never given one. It'd make the most sense for it to be 500x base (Super Saiyan's 50x combined with Ozaru's 10x), but that wouldn't make sense within the context of GT for a variety of reasons.

But staying away from GT and looking at things from a more grounded manga-derived standpoint... nah. Boo would be so far above Goku at that point that it's very unlikely that simply a single new transformation would make up for that difference.

[mysticboy]

Cooler's Armored Squad vs. The Spice Boyz

[Mjb1985]

Cooler's Armored Squadron is apparently vastly strong. They do awfully well against Piccolo who should be above 2nd Form Freeza.

Sometimes I get the feeling that M5's Piccolo is not as strong as Piccolo / Nail fusion though.

[Saiga]

Manga logic: Goku would need more than just another transformation to beat Gohan absorbed Boo.

GT logic: Boo gets utterly stomped. Goku doesn't even need SS4.

[Insertclevername]

Manga logic: Goku would need more than just another transformation to beat Gohan absorbed Boo.

GT logic: Boo gets utterly stomped. Goku doesn't even need SS4.

Next time I make any GT related match, I'll clarify which "logic" I'm using. The differences between them are just too big. lol

[Mystic Gohan]

Base Goku said that Rildo was as strong as Majin Buu. Since, he was already SSJ3 tier in base due to the EoZ stupidly large gains, it only makes sense that Rildo is as strong as Gohan-Buu,therefore Goku doesn't need SSJ4. He can do it just fine in SSJ. Also, the GT Perfect Files states that SSJ4 brings you to your limits, so it's not a set multiplier.

SSJ4 Goku (Beyond Limits) = SSJ4 Vegeta >>> SSJ4 Goku (Fresh) is implied in the Evil Dragon Saga.

[Saiga]

Base Goku said that Rildo was as strong as Majin Buu. Since, he was already SSJ3 tier in base due to the EoZ stupidly large gains, it only makes sense that Rildo is as strong as Gohan-Buu,therefore Goku doesn't need SSJ4. He can do it just fine in SSJ. Also, the GT Perfect Files states that SSJ4 brings you to your limits, so it's not a set multiplier.

SSJ4 Goku (Beyond Limits) = SSJ4 Vegeta >>> SSJ4 Goku (Fresh) is implied in the Evil Dragon Saga.

That is completely fabricated.

[Mystic Gohan]

Goku states that he is going to fight Kid Buu's reincarnation. Uub meets his expectations. What's fabricated about it?

[Saiga]

Goku states that he is going to fight Kid Buu's reincarnation. Uub meets his expectations. What's fabricated about it?

Except Goku expects that he'll need to have 100% of his stamina to be able to fight Oob, then realizes that Oob can't even fight his base form unless he's riled up and taps into his hidden power. Even then he doesn't exactly give Goku a tough match. He does however show promise which is why he meets Goku's expectations. Goku then takes him so that he can train him up to be a worthy match - which would be Pure Boo level power.

The part about base Goku becoming SS3 tier? Completely fabricated.

[hleV]

Goku states that he is going to fight Kid Buu's reincarnation. Uub meets his expectations. What's fabricated about it?

Goku vs Oob:

• Goku insults Oob;
• Goku kicks Oob in the face;
• Oob gets angry and kicks Goku, but Goku blocks the kick with his hand, which then hurts a lot;
• Oob attempts to punch Goku, but Goku dodges;
• Goku attacks and the two fight (DB-kind-of quick punching with no use) for a second or two;
• Oob powers up;
• Goku hovers in the air and Oob is surprised by that;
• Goku confirms that Oob has met his expectations and the two fly away.

Goku didn't fight the powered-up Oob. Your argument has been ultimately denied.

[Mystic Gohan]

And your point is? Goku is expecting to fight Kid Buu. Uub meets his expectations. How is he not SSJ3 tier?

[Saiga]

And your point is? Goku is expecting to fight Kid Buu. Uub meets his expectations. How is he not SSJ3 tier?

Because he doesn't have any SS3 tier feats at all, can't beat a base Saiyan, and needs training to be any good.

[Mystic Gohan]

Back it up with some evidence. If Goku is expecting to fight someone of Kid Buu's strength, that person has to be SSJ3 tier. If that person matches his expectations, he is SSJ3 tier. Goku matched this SSJ3 tier in base. Base Goku ~ SSJ3 tier

[Saiga]

Back it up with some evidence. If Goku is expecting to fight someone of Kid Buu's strength, that person has to be SSJ3 tier. If that person matches his expectations, he is SSJ3 tier. Goku matched this SSJ3 tier in base. Base Goku ~ SSJ3 tier

You use some evidence. Jumping to conclusions isn't evidence, Oob lacks any notable feats. Goku is definitely disappointed in Oob to begin with, and has to stir him up as I've already said. He said he'd need 100% of his stamina and didn't, so Oob didn't put up the fight he was expecting. He was, however, impressed by Oob's showing and offered to train Oob so that he could reach his potential. There's nothing to indicate that Oob or Goku were fighting on a SS3 level.

You didn't even address hleV at all who put it better than me.