Raditz a good guy ?

[Piccolo Daimao]

Raditz is much worse than Vegeta. Sure Vegeta was evil, but he spared the lifes of Kuririn or Gohan. Raditz came looking for Goku because he wanted the assistance of another warrior, he asked for the head of a hundred humans and was willing to kill Goku in the end. Nappa is the kindiest to the three. He tought of Vegeta as a true friend and the death of the Saibaimen bothered him.

Didn't he nearly get crippled and was incapable of fighting?

Yeah, as well as the fact that, on Namek, he needed them to help him defeat Freeza. He had no qualms about actually killing them; it's just that he never got the chance to.

[hleV]

I've always considered Vegeta the most evil of the Saiyans, so I can see Raditz redempting himself one way or another.

[Bussani]

I think Fox is talking about when he spared their lives on Namek because he was in a good mood. Remember? Right before Gohan stole his Dragon Ball and made him make this face:



Of course, I'm not sure we could say he spared them out of the goodness of his heart. He just didn't think he needed to kill them.

[Fionordequester]

Huh, you know, I forgot about that actually...hmm...

Of course, I'm not sure we could say he spared them out of the goodness of his heart. He just didn't think he needed to kill them.

Yeah but...even so, it still would've been perfectly in-character for Vegeta to kill Gohan simply out of spite for what he and Goku did to him on Earth, so actually, that still kind of counts as "out of the goodness of his heart".

[Bussani]

He also let Ginyu-Frog live, now that I think about it.

[Piccolo Daimao]

He also let Ginyu-Frog live, now that I think about it.

Because he thought living as a frog for the rest of his life would be a fate worse than death. He was going to kill Ginyuu until Gokuu cut in and said that there'd be no point, since he couldn't do anything then.

But even if Vegeta spared Kuririn and Blooma once he'd obtained what he thought was his last Dragon Ball, he still told Gohan that he was going to return to Earth and kill everyone on it. That would include Gokuu (who he was annoyed at for surpassing and defeating him anyway), Gohan, Kuririn and Blooma.

[Toadster]

Raditz is much worse than Vegeta. Sure Vegeta was evil, but he spared the lifes of Kuririn or Gohan. Raditz came looking for Goku because he wanted the assistance of another warrior, he asked for the head of a hundred humans and was willing to kill Goku in the end. Nappa is the kindiest to the three. He tought of Vegeta as a true friend and the death of the Saibaimen bothered him.

Yeah, Nappa is so kind... despite, you know, killing hundreds of people as soon as he arrives on Earth. Just for fun.

Raditz came to Earth on Vegeta's orders. The plan was to have Raditz recruit Goku, presumably by any means possible. Raditz wanted Goku to prove he's a real Saiyan menace.

[Fox666]

Yeah, Nappa is so kind... despite, you know, killing hundreds of people as soon as he arrives on Earth. Just for fun.

Of course Nappa is still a space pirate. But he is better than Raditz or Vegeta.

[roidrage]

Yeah, Nappa is so kind... despite, you know, killing hundreds of people as soon as he arrives on Earth. Just for fun.

Of course Nappa is still a space pirate. But he is better than Raditz or Vegeta.

I don't see how he's better than Raditz.

[Rocketman]

I see Nappa and Raditz about the same, except Raditz is still a hotblooded young gun while Nappa is older and has settled down a lot.

Of course, this is relative to the Saiyan culture, not ours.

[LiamKav]

Arguing about who is the less evil of a trio of people who have murder counts in the thousands (at the absolute very least) is... well, not fun exactly, but...

I'll get back to you.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I see Nappa and Raditz about the same, except Raditz is still a hotblooded young gun while Nappa is older and has settled down a lot.

Of course, this is relative to the Saiyan culture, not ours.

Well, Nappa's a member of the Saiyan nobility (and, I'm not sure if this was an anime/dub-only line, but he mentioned that he was "the second strongest Saiyan"), so he could be more arrogant than Raditz.

But yeah, I think that they were about the same too.

Arguing about who is the less evil of a trio of people who have murder counts in the thousands (at the absolute very least) is... well, not fun exactly, but...

I'll get back to you.

Only Vegeta you can say with certainty was the most evil, since he didn't seem to have any loyalty for his comrades and killed Nappa, who at least suggested that they revive Raditz with the DBs, even if he was, to both of them, nothing more than a weakling who deserved to be killed by trusting too much in his scouter.

[LiamKav]

Only Vegeta you can say with certainty was the most evil, since he didn't seem to have any loyalty for his comrades and killed Nappa, who at least suggested that they revive Raditz with the DBs, even if he was, to both of them, nothing more than a weakling who deserved to be killed by trusting too much in his scouter.

Okay, the problem here is that "evilness" is not a measurable quantity. So saying someone is the "most evil" is just one person's opinion over another. Let's say that at that point in his life, Vegeta had killed 10 million people, but Raditz had killed 20 million as he'd been to more high density planets. Does that make him twice as evil? What about if the people Vegeta had killed had been nicer? Or pregnant?

If we're using "loyalty to comrades" as a tool to calculate the relative evil power-level of mass murderers, we might as well be saying that Nappa was less evil because he bought Raditz a birthday present once.

[soulnova]

If we're using "loyalty to comrades" as a tool to calculate the relative evil power-level of mass murderers, we might as well be saying that Nappa was less evil because he bought Raditz a birthday present once.

Relative to a race of ruthless space warriors, that would actually count as good. xD

Ok, let's put it this way. They weren't good, we can't agree on that; but of them all, who had the most redeeming qualities?

Raditz though of nothing of killing earthlings because, frankly, that was his job description for most of his life. Is someone working in the slaughter house evil? It's irrelevant for him. He didn't exactly had the best influence either, aka:Vegeta.
He did want to bring Kakarot with him and wasn't going to kill Gohan... maybe.

Nappa suggested to return Raditz to life, he was their comrade after all.
Nappa was annoyed because of the Saibaman.
Nappa thought Vegeta was his friend.

I can't think of a redeeming quality of Vegeta until after a while in Namek.
He agreed not to kill Bulma and Krillin because he was in a good mood and then just because they had a terrible enemy to face off.

And look at Bardock and Co.! They actually "cared" for each other in some level. If Vegeta could be turned, I don't see why Raditz and Nappa wouldn't have at least some chance to turn too.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Only Vegeta you can say with certainty was the most evil, since he didn't seem to have any loyalty for his comrades and killed Nappa, who at least suggested that they revive Raditz with the DBs, even if he was, to both of them, nothing more than a weakling who deserved to be killed by trusting too much in his scouter.

Okay, the problem here is that "evilness" is not a measurable quantity. So saying someone is the "most evil" is just one person's opinion over another. Let's say that at that point in his life, Vegeta had killed 10 million people, but Raditz had killed 20 million as he'd been to more high density planets. Does that make him twice as evil? What about if the people Vegeta had killed had been nicer? Or pregnant?

If we're using "loyalty to comrades" as a tool to calculate the relative evil power-level of mass murderers, we might as well be saying that Nappa was less evil because he bought Raditz a birthday present once.

I guess it's, as soulnova said, more about redeeming qualities, and the way one thinks about things, that sums out how "evil" someone is. Even if Raditz had killed more people than Vegeta (which is plausible, considering that Raditz's probably older than Vegeta), Vegeta literally doesn't care about anyone but himself. Both Raditz and Nappa at least had loyalty to their comrades (for the former, Raditz gave his brother multiple chances to join him and mentioning not wanting to kill his nephew, and for the latter, Nappa actually cared about a bunch of grunts like the Saibaimen dying).

So yeah, "loyalty" is a "good" character trait, which at least says something about a race comprised of heartless killers. But because Vegeta didn't seem to have any of that "loyalty" and was constantly touted as being an exceptional bastard even among his own race, he's more evil than them.

Before his "Earth indoctrination", the only time Vegeta ever did something "good" for anyone other than himself was not killing Gohan, Kuririn and Blooma on Namek, and even then, it's more likely that he thought he might need their help to defeat Freeza. And he mentioned that he was going to return to Earth and kill everyone on it anyway.