Cell a Solar System Buster ?

[Piccolo Daimao]

So is destroying a planet's fucking core, but no-one's complaining about that.

Because Freeza show the power to do it and it work. Cell on the other hand has not shown the power to do so, not to mention Kid Buu's strongest attack only destroy the Earth and nothing else. If a character has made a claim with nothing to back it up then it's a hyperbole. This is one of the many inconsistency in Dragon Ball.

Was it ever stated that Pure Boo's energy ball was his "strongest attack"? No, he just wanted to destroy Earth, and he did that. It's plausible that he could've even destroyed the entire universe, if Kaioushin was so scared of him. Again, what reason would Cell have to bluff? It's not an inconsistency; it's just a case of "I think this doesn't make sense, therefore it's a lie".

But why would Cell bluff? No-one's actually given a reason as to why Cell would lie about destroying the solar system other than "well...it's ridiculous, so no way could he do it!" So is destroying a planet's fucking core, but no-one's complaining about that.

Destroying a planet's core is much more believable because its in a confined area within the reach of a character in a series filled with gags. No other attack/explosion in the series, even from the strongest characters, has displayed a blast radius large enough to blow up more than a single planet or noted by characters to have the ability to destroy more than the single planet. So while not impossible, taking out the Solar System at once seems a bit more than illogical. So, it's not that Cell is choosing to bluff about the statement, he thinks he can do it. He'd be proven wrong if he tried though...

What? No, it’s not. Destroying a planet’s core is scientifically impossible in the real world too. But, as you said, it’s a series filled with gags. This is Dragon Ball we’re talking about. Why is a solar system-busting claim this anomaly because you don’t think it can work?

Just because Boo never said he could destroy a solar system doesn’t mean that he can’t. We can just assume that, since he’s much stronger than even Cell. Both Boo and SS3 Gotenks tore a hole into the dimension by yelling at the top of their lungs.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks it's an "anomoly that can't work", but you're sort of missing part of the point. Even if destroying a planet's core is impossible in the real world, it's more logical than destroying an entire solar system at once in the Dragon World because it's a localized event. The acts themselves may require a suspension of disbelief, but the way they are achieved is still probable given the history of the series; Freeza can blow up Namek's core because he is on Namek. Buu and Gotenks can distort and rip holes between dimensions, but the tears and rifts appear right next to them.

Even if Cell had the power required to blow up everything in one shot, with all the objects racked together like billiard balls, the idea of him firing a blast that can wipe out everything from the Sun to at least Pluto, which is the logic most fans seem to apply to his statement, is a bit of a stretch. Without getting too realistic here, because the science talk hurts my head, the beam would have to have a blast radius of around 3.1 billion miles on average, assuming we were perfectly lined up in orbit and all that instead of Earth and Pluto being on opposite sides of the sun.

Seems extremely unlikely that any of the characters would be capable of making an explosion that size. If any of the villains actually were, our heroes would have been completely fucked in most post-Freeza battles. I mean, if Pure Buu could have just fired off an attack with that kind of power, he would have. Screw Goku and his puny Genki Dama, eradicate the entire Kaioshin Realm, countless suns and all, and then go about his merry way.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks it's an "anomoly that can't work", but you're sort of missing part of the point. Even if destroying a planet's core is impossible in the real world, it's more logical than destroying an entire solar system at once in the Dragon World because it's a localized event. The acts themselves may require a suspension of disbelief, but the way they are achieved is still probable given the history of the series; Freeza can blow up Namek's core because he is on Namek. Buu and Gotenks can distort and rip holes between dimensions, but the tears and rifts appear right next to them.

Even if Cell had the power required to blow up everything in one shot, with all the objects racked together like billiard balls, the idea of him firing a blast that can wipe out everything from the Sun to at least Pluto, which is the logic most fans seem to apply to his statement, is a bit of a stretch. Without getting too realistic here, because the science talk hurts my head, the beam would have to have a blast radius of around 3.1 billion miles on average, assuming we were perfectly lined up in orbit and all that instead of Earth and Pluto being on opposite sides of the sun.

Seems extremely unlikely that any of the characters would be capable of making an explosion that size. If any of the villains actually were, our heroes would have been completely fucked in most post-Freeza battles. I mean, if Pure Buu could have just fired off an attack with that kind of power, he would have. Screw Goku and his puny Genki Dama, eradicate the entire Kaioshin Realm, countless suns and all, and then go about his merry way.

I don't think you understand; Toriyama can do anything he wants in a series like this. This is the man who talked about...what was it?...something about "recessive tails" or whatever? My point is, you're looking at it in too much of a sciency perspective. Why can't you just take it at face value rather than trying to dissect it like it's Shakespearean literature?

Whatever, I'm done.

[Zephyr]

Regardless of if he could or not, I wouldn't really take Cell's word for it. What, does he just know off the top of his head what it takes to destroy the solar system? Seems like an ass-pull for him to "just know". Seems to me like he's simply making haughty, overzealous claims in a bout of arrogance, like he doesn't care if he's accurate or not in his statement. He's just bullshitting.

He does have Freeza ccell who has a good undersanding of the universe.

Would that kind of knowledge really transfer though?

[shonenhikada]

Regardless of if he could or not, I wouldn't really take Cell's word for it. What, does he just know off the top of his head what it takes to destroy the solar system? Seems like an ass-pull for him to "just know". Seems to me like he's simply making haughty, overzealous claims in a bout of arrogance, like he doesn't care if he's accurate or not in his statement. He's just bullshitting.

He does have Freeza ccell who has a good undersanding of the universe.

Would that kind of knowledge really transfer though?

He was aware of goku trying to redirect the destructo disc due to Freeza cells, new the name of all of goku friend and their attack despite ever meeting them. i think he has everyone's memories at the point their cells were taken.

[Zephyr]

He was aware of goku trying to redirect the destructo disc due to Freeza cells, new the name of all of goku friend and their attack despite ever meeting them. i think he has everyone's memories at the point their cells were taken.

Ah yes there was the thing with the disc (the names of people and attacks could arguably have been provided by Gero's computer though). Still though, who's to say that Freeza would know the necessary amount of ki to destroy specifically our solar system? Seems farfetched to me.

[Mystic Gohan]

That's all good and well but Kid Buu's blast had enough power that Goku, who can turn SSJ3 in an instant wouldn't be able to deflect it. If that can't harm anything but Earth, i doubt SPC's KHH can.

Goku just didn't have the time to deflect it, it was probably still more than enough energy needed to destroy the Earth, also its down to the technique and the way the Ki is manipulated to get the best or worst result. Plus, its part of the plot we're talking about. If Goku deflected it the Earth would be saved but where is the fun in that? Having the Earth destroyed is what would make a thrilling piece of story. The way Akira Toriyama did this gave Goku and Boo a great battlefield with no restrictions and the chance to use the dragonballs to help save the Universe. Nothing really conflicts with Cell's statement, he had no ulterior motive when he said it unlike the time Vegeta said he'd destroy the Earth. And there is no proof that he isn't able to do it, Gohan stopped him before he give us definite proof but that was the whole point of the Story.

Time? Goku was able to counter Vegeta's Galick Gun, because he had the power to do it. He couldn't against Kid Buu, because the blast was far stronger than him. Out-of-Universe explanation for an In-Universe sub-forum?

[Hitiro]

Time? Goku was able to counter Vegeta's Galick Gun, because he had the power to do it. He couldn't against Kid Buu, because the blast was far stronger than him. Out-of-Universe explanation for an In-Universe sub-forum?

What does Goku being able to counter Vegeta's Galick Gun because he had the power to do it have to do with what I said? Goku had the time to gather a Kamehameha to counter Vegeta's Galick Gun. They were both of a similar power level(With Goku using Kaioken) and they both had the same amount of time to charge their attacks. So what about when Frieza attempted to destroy Namek? Are you saying that Goku could not stop it because the blast was far stronger than him too? Goku just lacked the time to respond to such an attack. As for when Pure Boo went to destroy the Earth, it would have taken Goku a second to transform into a SSJ3 and gather the necessary energy to deflect the blast. Which is time they didn't have, so he chose to teleport away. The blast was obviously strong enough for Goku not to be able to do anything in SSJ but it wasn't enough to destroy the solar system. If Pure Boo had gathered up more energy he probably could have. Also, an out-of-universe explanation for things happens even in an In-Universe setting. We can say it for many things like, for instance, why didn't Krillin use a Kienzan after he used a Taiyoken on Frieza?

[Mystic Gohan]

Time? Goku was able to counter Vegeta's Galick Gun, because he had the power to do it. He couldn't against Kid Buu, because the blast was far stronger than him. Out-of-Universe explanation for an In-Universe sub-forum?

What does Goku being able to counter Vegeta's Galick Gun because he had the power to do it have to do with what I said? Goku had the time to gather a Kamehameha to counter Vegeta's Galick Gun. They were both of a similar power level(With Goku using Kaioken) and they both had the same amount of time to charge their attacks. So what about when Freeza attempted to destroy Namek? Are you saying that Goku could not stop it because the blast was far stronger than him too? Goku just lacked the time to respond to such an attack. As for when Pure Boo went to destroy the Earth, it would have taken Goku a second to transform into a SSJ3 and gather the necessary energy to deflect the blast. Which is time they didn't have, so he chose to teleport away. The blast was obviously strong enough for Goku not to be able to do anything in SSJ but it wasn't enough to destroy the solar system. If Pure Boo had gathered up more energy he probably could have. Also, an out-of-universe explanation for things happens even in an In-Universe setting. We can say it for many things like, for instance, why didn't Krillin use a Kienzan after he used a Taiyoken on Freeza?

Dude that's such a stupid argument. Are you trying to say that if you have enough time, you can counter any blast?? Vegeta used his FP on his Galick Gun. Ofc it is going to be stronger than KK x 3 Goku. He had the power at his disposal. The more important part. He could summon the power easily, just by saying KK x 3/4. Freeza likely amplifies his planet buster, and since Freeza rivals Goku would be stronger than SSJ Goku. If it only took a second to transform into SSJ3 for Goku (which it does), he should have had no problem deflecting the blast. The point is, the blast was too strong for him to counter with the short time he had left.....

[Bussani]

He was aware of goku trying to redirect the destructo disc due to Freeza cells, new the name of all of goku friend and their attack despite ever meeting them.

That only happens in the anime. In the manga, Cell doesn't use many people's special attacks at all. I think he uses the Kamehameha and Taiyoken (both of which are actually pretty easy to pick up, with Kuririn even pointing out how anyone, even he, can copy Taiyoken) and says he could "probably" perform a Genki Dama. Oh, he also uses a "ki beam from the fingers" move that Kuririn says is the move Freeza used, but that's an odd thing to say considering Kami, Piccolo, Piccolo Daimao, Vegeta, Muri, and others have all used it as well, so it might just be the same as saying, "He can fly, just like Chiaotzu!" Regardless, the thing about Freeza's cells warning him about what Goku was up to was a filler thing, just in case anyone cares.

I think it's very possible that Cell only knows certain things because the computer taught him, much like how it told him about #17 and #18. But it's also possible that he just has people's memories, and that could well have been what Toriyama was going for.

[Rocketman]

Memories are stored in the blood and skin cells, as we all learned in school.

[Fox666]

That's all good and well but Kid Buu's blast had enough power that Goku, who can turn SSJ3 in an instant wouldn't be able to deflect it. If that can't harm anything but Earth, i doubt SPC's KHH can.

Goku just didn't have the time to deflect it, it was probably still more than enough energy needed to destroy the Earth, also its down to the technique and the way the Ki is manipulated to get the best or worst result. Plus, its part of the plot we're talking about. If Goku deflected it the Earth would be saved but where is the fun in that? Having the Earth destroyed is what would make a thrilling piece of story. The way Akira Toriyama did this gave Goku and Boo a great battlefield with no restrictions and the chance to use the dragonballs to help save the Universe. Nothing really conflicts with Cell's statement, he had no ulterior motive when he said it unlike the time Vegeta said he'd destroy the Earth. And there is no proof that he isn't able to do it, Gohan stopped him before he give us definite proof but that was the whole point of the Story.

Time? Goku was able to counter Vegeta's Galick Gun, because he had the power to do it. He couldn't against Kid Buu, because the blast was far stronger than him. Out-of-Universe explanation for an In-Universe sub-forum?

To be fair, Vegeta wanted Goku to block the attack, that was his plan, otherwise he would be killed too. Since Goku dodged all of his attacks, Vegeta then aimed for the planet, knowning Goku would protect it.

[goku the krump dancer]

I believe he could destroy the solar system and perhaps more if he wanted too.. I honestly believe theres more evidence to support that he can rather than that he can't.

My theory is this.. Way back in the first half of Dragon Ball Roshi used his 'Max Power' Kamehameha to extinguish the flames of Fire mountain but ended up destroying it, then later on he used the same move but this time destroyed the Moon which is bigger than any known mountain in the DB existence.

I remember when Vegeta fired his Final Flash Krillin was shocked that the Earth wasn't destroyed and Trunks mentioned how Vegeta Narrowed the blast to only focus on Cell. That said I believe the Z fighters have enough chi control to tamper with the blast radius of their attack.

My point with Roshi is that he the same attack and arguably wasnt any stronger than he was just a few months before the tournament. He aimed his Kamehameha at the mountain and accidentally destroyed, then later aimed at the moon to destroy and accomplished just that.

As the series progressed the characters begin to surpass him first by margins then by leaps and bounds.. Fast forward to the Saiyan arc before the fight with Nappa and Vegeta, Piccolo who is now what 3x stronger than Roshi? does the same Moon busting feat but effortlessly. Later on in that same saga Vegeta is furious with Goku and claims that if he dodged his Galic Gun the Earth would be destroyed. Now based of the last two larger than mountain bustting moments the last one being effortlessly done even if Vegeta was in a blind rage theres no need for him to lie I'm pretty sure with his battle experience he knows what it takes to destroy a planet.

Fast foward or rather rewind back to the final confrontation between Bardock and Freeza who in his weakest form effortlessly destroyed planet Vegeta and being that he was not only no where near full power let alone straining I'm sure even Freeza could be a Solar system buster if he maxed himself out or atleast be able to destroy 3 or 4 planets at a time.

Now hit the Cell Games with the final beam clash between Gohan and Cell who claims he had apparently gathered enough energy to destroy the Solar System.. theres no reason for him to lie he scarring Gohan into submission would be pointless because Gohan would have lost the beam clash had it not been for Goku's coaching.. Plus being that he's a hell of a lot stronger than any of the previous villains it only makes sense.. I honestly dont see whats so hard to believe.

Basically I'm asking if the weakest hero in Muten Roshi Could blow up the Moon then why cant the Second strongest Villain in the entire series not counting GT blow away the Solar System?

[Kiyza]

I've seen this little issue debated time and time again myself. Some people say that yes, Cell can destroy a solar system because why couldn't he if he says he can? Others say that it's a load of nonsense because it's based on one character's viewpoint and no one even comes close to destroying a solar system over the course of the series. On top of that, there's a huge gap between what's required to destroy a planet and what's required to destroy a star, let along a solar system in terms of joules of energy.

I think what it boils down to is a simple matter of perspective. From an out-of-universe perspective, yes, he should be able to destroy a solar system because that's what Toriyama is apparently trying to convey with this statement. Why else would he put it there?

From an in-universe perspective, on the other hand, it's plausible, if not reasonable to say that Cell was bluffing. For one thing, he's never actually destroyed a solar system, so how the heck does he know he can do it in the first place? He'd have to be making a guess of his own power, in which case it could be an exaggeration, whether it's intentional or not. You also have to take into account that, like many previous posters have brought up, that we never actually see a solar system being destroyed by later villains like Boo. We only see him destroy planets, not solar systems.

Ultimately, it boils down to what perspective you're looking at the story from. It's much more ambiguous from an in-universe perspective than it is from an out-of-universe perspective because we never actually see a solar system being destroyed. And that's why this argument is going to continue on until the end of time.

Just my two cents.

[Bussani]

Basically I'm asking if the weakest hero in Muten Roshi Could blow up the Moon then why cant the Second strongest Villain in the entire series not counting GT blow away the Solar System?

Well, a solar system is a bit different from a moon or a planet, since a solar system isn't one clumped together object. That's where the question of how he'd be doing it comes in. Does he mean he has enough ki to destroy all of the celestial bodies in the solar system if they were, say, all placed in a neat line for him? Does he mean that he could blow up the sun, thus destroying the solar system in a supernova sort of explosion? Even if you take his word for it, it still raises questions.

I think Kiyza has the right way of looking at it. Personally, I could believe either that Cell was just bragging without knowing anything for sure or that he was speaking completely factually. It doesn't really make any difference to me either way. Both are pretty plausible, and people can pick which seems more likely to them, based on whatever perspective they're using, if they really want to.

[Rocketman]

The Sun exploding wouldn't (and won't, six billion years from now) destroy the solar system (in the sense of "destroying all of it"). The outer planets and the great shell of comets are too far away.

So Cell contains more power than the Sun? Horsefeathers.

[Toadster]

The only reason to not believe Cell is because, well, how would he even know he has enough power to destroy the solar system? I mean, has he tried it? Can he sense the solar system's "energy" and realize that his higher?

[goku the krump dancer]

Basically I'm asking if the weakest hero in Muten Roshi Could blow up the Moon then why cant the Second strongest Villain in the entire series not counting GT blow away the Solar System?

Well, a solar system is a bit different from a moon or a planet, since a solar system isn't one clumped together object. That's where the question of how he'd be doing it comes in. Does he mean he has enough ki to destroy all of the celestial bodies in the solar system if they were, say, all placed in a neat line for him? Does he mean that he could blow up the sun, thus destroying the solar system in a supernova sort of explosion? Even if you take his word for it, it still raises questions.

I think Kiyza has the right way of looking at it. Personally, I could believe either that Cell was just bragging without knowing anything for sure or that he was speaking completely factually. It doesn't really make any difference to me either way. Both are pretty plausible, and people can pick which seems more likely to them, based on whatever perspective they're using, if they really want to.

Well as you can see I choose to believe that he could... As crazy as it sounds I just imagine him stopping at Pluto ( even though its no longer considered a planet) and just release a blast so devastating that it just plows through every planet until it hits the Sun destroying that also.

[shonenhikada]

The only reason to not believe Cell is because, well, how would he even know he has enough power to destroy the solar system? I mean, has he tried it? Can he sense the solar system's "energy" and realize that his higher?

Maybe he is a ware of how much planets a solar system contains from Freeza and vegeta's cell since they've been around the universe for years. is aware of the amount of energy needed to bust a single planet (Freeza was trying to estimate how much energy to needed to blow up namek) and made an estimate factoring in as well the distance between planets ?

[Bussani]

The Sun exploding wouldn't (and won't, six billion years from now) destroy the solar system (in the sense of "destroying all of it"). The outer planets and the great shell of comets are too far away.

Isn't that because the Sun is too small to go supernova anyway, though? If that weren't the case, I don't think the outer planets would be spared.

Well as you can see I choose to believe that he could... As crazy as it sounds I just imagine him stopping at Pluto ( even though its no longer considered a planet) and just release a blast so devastating that it just plows through every planet until it hits the Sun destroying that also.

Yeah, that's fine. Everyone's free to believe what they want. I was just trying to explain why some people might see a difference between destroying something like a moon or planet, and something different, like a solar system or galaxy. There is a notable difference, but whether it affects someone's opinion or not is another matter.