Cell a Solar System Buster ?

[Hellspawn28]

I remember when Vegeta fired his Final Flash Krillin was shocked that the Earth wasn't destroyed and Trunks mentioned how Vegeta Narrowed the blast to only focus on Cell. That said I believe the Z fighters have enough chi control to tamper with the blast radius of their attack.

My point with Roshi is that he the same attack and arguably wasnt any stronger than he was just a few months before the tournament. He aimed his Kamehameha at the mountain and accidentally destroyed, then later aimed at the moon to destroy and accomplished just that.

I think the difference between Roshi and Vegeta is that Vegeta was able to do it due to ki control. From what I can remember that Ki control was never shown in the series until Nappa and Vegeta show up. It won't make sense for early characters to know something if it was not introduced until years later.

[Rocketman]

Isn't that because the Sun is too small to go supernova anyway, though? If that weren't the case, I don't think the outer planets would be spared.

Yeah, but if the Sun was so big that it would go supernova, it would never have the system of planets we know. The sun would have to be something like 90 times more massive to become a classic supernova.

galaxy

Oh god, don't even bring that up.

As crazy as it sounds I just imagine him stopping at Pluto ( even though its no longer considered a planet) and just release a blast so devastating that it just plows through every planet until it hits the Sun destroying that also.

Even besides the fact that the planets aren't lined up in a neat little row (and in fact, due to gravitational influences, they can never be), the sheer ignorance of and lack of respect for the grandeur of our corner of the cosmos is just sickening.

I am trying so incredibly hard to not just mock your....misguided post unmercifully.

[Fox666]

The Sun exploding wouldn't (and won't, six billion years from now) destroy the solar system (in the sense of "destroying all of it"). The outer planets and the great shell of comets are too far away.

Cell was planning on making the Kamehameha move in a orbit-shaped path and destroy the planets one by one!!

[Bussani]

Yeah, but if the Sun was so big that it would go supernova, it would never have the system of planets we know. The sun would have to be something like 90 times more massive to become a classic supernova.

True, but we're not talking about a natural supernova here. We're talking about blowing up the Sun with an external force. Surely that can take out the outer planets. It would just take...say...10^49 joules or so, to be on the safe side...

[Hitiro]

Dude that's such a stupid argument. Are you trying to say that if you have enough time, you can counter any blast?? Vegeta used his FP on his Galick Gun. Ofc it is going to be stronger than KK x 3 Goku. He had the power at his disposal. The more important part. He could summon the power easily, just by saying KK x 3/4. Freeza likely amplifies his planet buster, and since Freeza rivals Goku would be stronger than SSJ Goku. If it only took a second to transform into SSJ3 for Goku (which it does), he should have had no problem deflecting the blast. The point is, the blast was too strong for him to counter with the short time he had left.....

I'm saying that you have to have some time to counter a blast of a certain level. If the blast was something like 1% Goku's power Goku could easily gather the energy, but if it was something like 20% do you really think its not going to take him some time to gather that energy after transforming into SSJ3? Are you saying that Goku and Vegeta just pulled out blasts that, apparently, could destroy planets with their maximum power and it didn't take them any time to charge them? Goku couldn't just summon the energy on a whim. Like any powerful attack you have to gather the energy first, such as Final Flash against Cell. There are like 5 or 6 panels before Goku and Vegeta even launch their attacks where they are in the position of launching their attacks and have an aura so are you saying they have gathered the power already and they are both being courteous to one another and thats why they didn't instantly launch their attacks?

I'm not saying that if you have enough time you can counter any blast but some attacks will need time to counter if the energy required is so much. You've basically said what I was trying to say with Pure Boo, he launched an attack Goku could only deal with on his SSJ3 form if he had the time to do it. But that doesn't mean what he launched had to be powerful enough to be a solar system buster. I think you're overestimating how strong Goku and Vegeta have gotten during the time after the Cell Games, they always mention Gohan's SSJ2 power at the Cell Games, as if its a big milestone. And they said that they are stronger than that but I wouldn't put them much stronger. So Goku's SSJ3 powerlevel is something over 2 SSJ2 Gohan's at the Cell Games worth of power because SSJ3 is a 400x multiplier whereas SSJ2 is only a 200x multiplier. We don't know how much energy Cell chucked into that Kamehameha for it to be a solar system buster, it could have been something like double his maximum powerlevel as we know that using techniques like the Kamehameha increase the destructive force of Ki. Goku in the fight with Raditz went from 416 to 924 when he launched his Kamehameha. So its possible something close to Goku's 100% power in SSJ3 might be a solar system buster powerlevel if Super Perfect Cell released a Kamehameha of 2x his powerlevel.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Well, Kaioushin thought that Majin Boo could destroy the entire universe, including the afterlife, and everyone seemed to believe that. But how does Kaioushin know? Has he ever seen anyone destroy the universe (obviously not, otherwise he'd be dead)? Could he just be making a guess like Cell?

[Fox666]

obviously not, otherwise he'd be dead

No, he wouldn't, he resides in another dimension.

[Piccolo Daimao]

obviously not, otherwise he'd be dead

No, he wouldn't, he resides in another dimension.

Another dimension that's in the universe. It's not outside the universe; it's just seperate from the afterlife or whatever, but it'd still be inside the universe.

[Fox666]

But the thing is that a Ki attack strong enough to destroy the entire unvierse would not reach the afterlife. That doesn't mean it doesn' have enough power itself to do it.

[Piccolo Daimao]

But the thing is that a Ki attack strong enough to destroy the entire unvierse would not reach the afterlife. That doesn't mean it doesn' have enough power itself to do it.

Why not? The afterlife is in the universe. Everything we see is in the universe.

[goku the krump dancer]

As crazy as it sounds I just imagine him stopping at Pluto ( even though its no longer considered a planet) and just release a blast so devastating that it just plows through every planet until it hits the Sun destroying that also.

Even besides the fact that the planets aren't lined up in a neat little row (and in fact, due to gravitational influences, they can never be), the sheer ignorance of and lack of respect for the grandeur of our corner of the cosmos is just sickening.

I am trying so incredibly hard to not just mock your....misguided post unmercifully.

Well besides the fact that I dont really care too much about how the universe operates, my vision was influenced off a poster I saw a long time ago about how the planets orbit around the sun or the order in which they were placed from hottest to coldest and it had the planets lined up behind one another in a neat little row.

I'm sorry my previous post got you upset, but eh spare me the lecture.

EDIT: Even if you were to go into whole spiel about how the Universe works, since Toriyama was so vague about how the universe works in Dragon Ball one can only assume if its an exact replica of the real world or not. So if you like to think that things work according to reality than go ahead. Aside from the fact that I dont know too much about the planetary system i still think the DB universe has its own laws.

[shonenhikada]

So apparently to satisfy fans scientific understand manga artist have to pick up a science book and become professional astrophysicist and then formulate a plausible way to destroy the solar system into their manga so fans accept it as legit ?

[Rocketman]

I'm sorry my previous post got you upset, but eh spare me the lecture.

Not upset, more irritated and possibly peeved. Especially since it's not uncommon for people to completely underestimate how goddamn big things really are.

Although I do like the idea that Cell has the same misconception and thinks destroying the solar system will be like shooting pool or something.

So apparently to satisfy fans scientific understand manga artist have to pick up a science book and become professional astrophysicist and then formulate a plausible way to destroy the solar system into their manga so fans accept it as legit ?

There is no plausible way for a six-foot speck of carbon to destroy the solar system.

http://www.phrenopolis.com/perspective/solarsystem/ Have a scale model for funsies.

[Hitiro]

There is no plausible way for a six-foot speck of carbon to destroy the solar system.

http://www.phrenopolis.com/perspective/solarsystem/ Have a scale model for funsies.

A six foot speck of carbon shouldn't be able to destroy the moon or the Earth but they do. This is a manga, they can do whatever the hell the author puts into it. If Akira Toriyama says they can destroy the solar system then that's exactly what they can do. It isn't plausible Superman destroyed the equivalent of our solar system with a sneeze either but he did.

[Hellspawn28]

Well, Kaioushin thought that Majin Boo could destroy the entire universe, including the afterlife, and everyone seemed to believe that.

Are you talking about the filler scene with Super Buu screaming to death during his battle with Vegito. I remember that was a chain reaction and would be done with raw power. The universe is too big and I doubt any Dragon Ball character has the raw power to pull off that power.

[Fox666]

So apparently to satisfy fans scientific understand manga artist have to pick up a science book and become professional astrophysicist and then formulate a plausible way to destroy the solar system into their manga so fans accept it as legit ?

There is no plausible way for a six-foot speck of carbon to destroy the solar system.

http://www.phrenopolis.com/perspective/solarsystem/ Have a scale model for funsies.

The whole idea behind "Ki" is bogus, you could already say it is magic, so who cares about the physics behind it?

[Bussani]

Well, Kaioushin thought that Majin Boo could destroy the entire universe

Are you sure he said something like that? I can't remember any lines that imply he could just blow up everything, including the afterlife. Except that filler from the Buu vs Vegetto fight, that is.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

So Goku's SSJ3 powerlevel is something over 2 SSJ2 Gohan's at the Cell Games worth of power because SSJ3 is a 400x multiplier whereas SSJ2 is only a 200x multiplier.

He would be 4 Gohans. SS is x50, SS2 is x100 and SS4 is x400.

Are you sure he said something like that? I can't remember any lines that imply he could just blow up everything, including the afterlife. Except that filler from the Buu vs Vegetto fight, that is.

Closest thing would be Kaioshin saying that if they leave Buu alone, he'll kill everything not just on Earth, but throughout the universe. Though he doesn't make it sound like they need to kill him immediately because he can blow it all up at once or anything, just that he needs to be dealth with before he rampages. Same for Goku at the fight with Pure Buu. He says something about needing to defeat Buu, because if they don't the universe will go "poof". Again though, he comes off sounding like they need to prevent him from going on a rampage, not a single attack.

[Hitiro]

He would be 4 Gohans. SS is x50, SS2 is x100 and SS4 is x400.

According to the Super Exciting Guide it officially states SSJ3 is 4x the strength of SSJ2. SSJ2 is 2x the strength of SSJ so it would be:
SSJ = 50x
SSJ2 = 100x
SSJ3 = 400x

Reference:
http://www.kanzentai.com/bp.php?id=guide#seg-guide

Edit: Ah, I see what you mean now. I made a mistake in my numbers. I should have put 4 Gohans. I don't know why I put SSJ2 at 200x, I was probably thinking SSJ2 is 2x the strength of SSJ and just put 2 instead of 1 for the multiplier of the base powerlevel. Also you threw me with saying SSJ4, I thought you were saying SSJ3 wasn't 400x, lol.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

According to the Super Exciting Guide it officially states SSJ3 is 4x the strength of SSJ2. SSJ2 is 2x the strength of SSJ so it would be:

That is literally what I just said. You were the one who originally screwed up in your comparison...