How I would write Broli's back story.

[Ringworm128]

There's one thing that has always bugged me about DBZ and that's Broli's back story. He hates Goku because Goku's crying annoyed him when they were newborns? Seriously? I first heard about Broli's back story in the Saiyan Kindergarten gag in Gozar's DBZ parody series and I honestly thought it was a joke. Anyway here's the back story I would come up with. Broli started out as a normal Saiyan who escaped the destruction of Planet Vegeta. Over the years he trained, fought other warriors and received Zenkai's until one day he turned into a Super Saiyan. With no one stopping him his blood lust grew and grew until he pretty much became insane forcing Paragus to put that mind control band thingy on him. When Goku and co go to New Planet Vegeta Broli senses the Z Warrior's huge BP and his Super Saiyan instincts kick in. Wanting to fight Goku Broli overcomes the control Paragus had on him thus breaking free from the mind control band.

[Cipher]

Pretty good, pretty good.

Here's how I would write Brolli's back story:

In Forest Hills, Queens, New York City, high school student Brolli is a science-whiz orphan living with his Uncle Paragus and Aunt Zukkani. He is bitten by a radioactive Saiyan at a science exhibit and acquires the agility and proportionate strength of and speed of a Super Saiyan. Along with super strength, he gains the ability to adhere to walls and ceilings. Through his native knack for science, he develops a gadget that lets him fire energy beams of his own design through small, wrist-mounted barrels. Initially seeking to capitalize on his new abilities, he dons a costume and, as "The Legendary Super Saiyan," becomes a novelty television star. However, he blithely ignores the chance to stop a fleeing thief, Goku, and his indifference ironically catches up with him when the same criminal later robs and kills his Uncle Paragus. Brolli vows to track the killer and learns that with great power -- must also come great responsibility.

[Ringworm128]

Sadly that still makes more sense then Broli's actual back story.

[Dorexx]

There's one thing that has always bugged me about DBZ and that's Broli's back story. He hates Goku because Goku's crying annoyed him when they were newborns? Seriously?

Why do people always have to interpret it like this? What happened isn't just some guy wanting to kill another guy for being annoying. Of course this wouldn't make sense because they were newborn babies. But it is possible for a baby or just a sensitive young child who endures something he doesn't like for too long to develop some kind of disorder and "freak out" or just get extremely uncomfortable when experiencing it again, for the rest of their life. When Broli sees Goku, a part of his brain simply triggers the hate even though he doesn't know why, and besides, he's completely evil and he's gonna kill everything, especially someone that for some reason he feels uncomfortable around.

[Gyt Kaliba]

There's one thing that has always bugged me about DBZ and that's Broli's back story. He hates Goku because Goku's crying annoyed him when they were newborns? Seriously?

Why do people always have to interpret it like this? What happened isn't just some guy wanting to kill another guy for being annoying. Of course this wouldn't make sense because they were newborn babies. But it is possible for a baby or just a sensitive young child who endures something he doesn't like for too long to develop some kind of disorder and "freak out" or just get extremely uncomfortable when experiencing it again, for the rest of their life. When Broli sees Goku, a part of his brain simply triggers the hate even though he doesn't know why, and besides, he's completely evil and he's gonna kill everything, especially someone that for some reason he feels uncomfortable around.

I agree. Yes, it's a bit of a stretch, but to me it's no worse than a lot of the other stretches in the franchise. It's the execution that's a bit flawed IMO, rather than the idea.

[Hellspawn28]

I have to admit that the back story you made is not too bad. I agree that Broli's back story is pretty poor and they could given more development on the character. Hating him for crying as a baby was so stupid in my opinion.

[Eire]

Considering that newborns usually suffer from tympanites that interpretation would lead to word full of bloodthirsty freaks or epidemic of orthorexia. Not to mention further horrible tragedies like wounded knees, forbidden movies and blueberry dumplings in kindergarten.

I've already described here the kind of fan upgrade made by 14 years old fand of cheap romances

And little background...
I got movie 8 on VHS when I was a kid and I couldn't understand a word in English, so I asked my 14 years old neighbour to translate it to me and she produced that version. When I asked her about that, she said that she understood everything, but it sounded so odd to her that she was sure she was wrong and write her own version

-Mother of Goku was high-class Saiyan who had a love affair with Bardock
-They broke up after he was born, and she mated with Paragas
-Bardock was quite angry and after he saw that she won't come back he sneaked on her to the king
-He lied that she was Freeza's spy that caused death sentence on whole family
(Everything should suit Paragas' retrospection).

Strange, but still better than original one.

[rereboy]

I have no idea where this idea that Broly dislikes Goku purely because he made him cry as a baby comes from...

Broly dislikes Goku because he is his competition to the Legendary Super Saiyan status, his ultimate enemy. He feels it in his bones, in his very soul... He is his rival of destiny as the greatest Super Saiyan ever. That is the real reason.

Don't agree? Well, lets analyze the matter for the sake of it.

It is said that the Legendary Super Saiyan comes every 1000 years. And in the movie it is stated that Goku and Broly are born in the same exact day. This is a coincidence? The crew that thought the movie stated that fact without any motive? Doubtful. Its a single little fact that implies right off the bat that their relationship is something carved out of destiny and rivalry.

And this little fact is supported by the fact that Goku, even at that age and even though he was way weaker than Broly was then, still could affect him and bother him with his cry. And thus, the bond that the crew tried to show that exist between them, of sworn rivalry and destined enemies, is made more apparent. That is the real meaning of Goku making Broly cry as a child, btw, IMO.

Goku is Broly's enemy of destiny, the one who, having been born on the same day as Broly, the same day said to only come once in 1000 years and in which a Legendary Super Saiyan was born, is fated to compete with Broly for the status of Legendary Super Saiyan, the one who, despite not having a tenth of Broly's raw potential still holds within him the key to surpass him and bring about his undoing.

Broly feels it just by being on his presence, he feels Goku's unexplainable danger to him... That is why, the moment he saw Goku as a adult, he reacted as did. He didn't remember that Goku made him cry as a kid... He just recognized him as his ultimate enemy... The one capable of ending him. And that caused a reaction so strong in Broly's mind and instincts that he eventually broke free of his mind control.

And, on the final clash of their battle, what happens?

Goku, using something that Broly could never use, the energy and power of his friends (what we might call Goku's advantage, which was brought about simply by Goku being a very different Saiyan than Broly), makes good on his destined promise of danger to Broly and, in one monstrous blow that combined all he had and all that his allies had, finally surpasses Broly and brings about his destruction.

And what does the crew choose to show us as Goku is defeating Broly? They show us again how Goku, even as a child, with only a fraction of Broly's power, always held inside him, the key and means to affect Broly, to hurt him, to defeat him, to destroy him, even if by then the only thing that showed us that was Goku's ability to make Broly cry.

As I've said, that is the real meaning of Goku and Broly crying, IMO. Goku making Broly cry was never the cause of Broly's hate. The movie goes out of its way to show us that it was much more than that. We just have to interpret it correctly.

And, by having Goku win in the movie on those terms and with that story, in my view, they are simply telling us that the only true, real and accurate Legendary Super Saiyan is Goku, by having been born on the same day as Broly, by coming this far with much inferior raw potential, and by being able to surpass Broly and destroy him, as he did with all his previous foes. And that defines Dragon Ball pretty well as a whole, which only makes it epic.

Therefore, in my view, movie 8 has an awesome story and is easily the deepest of all of them. Its flaws are concentrated mainly on the action of the fights scenes which could have been a little more interesting. Its only too bad that it was somewhat ruined by Broly's two other movies...

So, in conclusion, sure, there can be many other interesting scenarios for the story in movie 8. But in my view they are totally unnecessary and would be almost certainly inferior to it, IMO.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Considering that newborns usually suffer from tympanites that interpretation would lead to wolrd full of bloodthirsty freaks or epidemic of orthorexia.

Would that keep it from being an explanation for Broly? Broly's MO as far as I saw it was to be everything powerful about the sayains exaggerated to a scary, ridiculous degree.

Broly dislikes Goku because he is his competition to the Legendary Super Saiyan status, his ultimate enemy. He feels it in his bones, in his very soul... He is his rival of destiny as the greatest Super Saiyan ever. That is the real reason.

Ya see, this would be amazing if Toei actually understood that you can't throw around the phrase "Legendary Super Sayain" to sell your annual movie. It was out of place and took me out of the moment when I was what, 14, and needless to say still doesn't make sense now.

[penguintruth]

Here's how I would write it:

Akira Toriyama and Takao Koyama decide it's not important for there to be an exact "Legendary Super Saiyan", because it's better the legend remain vague, since it's been passed down for so long. Movie 8 is instead a remake of Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice with DBZ characters called "Saiyan Pride and Prejudice" (which makes millions) and Japanese and American DBZ fans never get to overrate Broly and and annoy the shit out of me.

The end.

[JulieYBM]

Well, if we're going to share ideas...

Paragus would be the leader of the Saiyans who had been left behind on Planet Saiya. Paragus' group are 'left behinds', the scum of Saiyan society left behind by King Vegeta's group when he set off into space to find new foes and land to conquer. Paragus was once the revolutionary leader of the weaker Saiyans, but a humiliating defeat from the future King Vegeta left him broken spiritually and filled with thoughts of revenge. When King Vegeta left Saiya he took only the strong with him, leaving the garbage third-class Saiyans to fend for themselves on a planet that had for centuries been used a platform for war. With famine and droughts plaguing Planet Saiya Paragus rose once again at the leader of these forgotten people, hoping to one day claim his revenge on Vegeta.

His son, Broli, would act as the key of this revenge. One day, when Broli was young, Paragus discovered that within him lied a dormant, incredible power. This power swelled like a great force of nature. In my mind, this power could initially be visually displayed similar to Pluto in Urasawa Naoki’s comic of the same name.

The main story would begin after the defeat of Majin Boo. Paragus, having expanded his forces and influence over the decades has learned of the eradication of Vegeta’s people. Nonetheless, he has set out to find any survivors. Soon, word eventually came back to him that Vegeta, son of his rival, now lived on Earth with a family. Knowing that his revenge is at hand, Paragus arrives on Earth with Broli. The gang eventually learns that Broli has an incredible power that he cannot control. Instead of Broli hating Gokuu in this story, maybe they could be friends? To give Broli some depth beyond just being an evil guy, maybe he could have a conflict of his own. For so many years he has fought and helped spread Paragus’ rule in his transformed, Super Saiyan of Legend form. Maybe now he has an identity crisis of some sort and is unsure if he really fights because he loves it or not. This would give him a character arc that makes him a sort of mirror of Gokuu, who fights purely for the fun of it.

As the story reaches the climax, a massive battle begins as Broli is forced to lose control and assume his Super Saiyan of Legend form. Eventually it takes the power of the three Super Saiyan 3s, Gokuu, Vegeta, and Gotenks, to battle him, but even then Broli seems to adapt on instinct and take on a Super Saiyan 3 form of his own. In the end, it is Gokuu’s voice that reaches him when he asks “Are you having any fun, Broli? ‘Cause even though I’m trying to stop a friend, I’m still havin’ lots-a fun!!” This question snaps Broli out of his trance, his hair and aura turning from green to the regular Super Saiyan gold and his consciousness reappearing. However, the calm does not last long as Broli begins to wither in pain. Finally, he expels from him a green, monstrous aura. This aura that resembles a formation of ki is a sort of spirit that has inhabited Saiyans for centuries, appearing each time a Saiyan child of significant strength is born and able to handle hosting it. Paragus believes it to be the reincarnation of Super Saiyans from across all of history, clustered together as a swirling vortex of energy bent on remaining in the world of the living so that it may fight and cause destruction well past its time. Gokuu mumbles something about the Afterlife having strong guys too, but Paragus approaches the wraith and offers his body to it, hoping to obtain the power that would allow him his revenge. Paragus is overtaken by the spirit and a new battle begins with all four Super Saiyan 3s fighting to stop Paragus. Eventually, they succeed when Paragus’ aged body proves too weak to host such tremendous power for too long. With the wraith having dispersed into nothingness and Paragus dead, Broli decides to return to Planet Saiya to take over the empire and turn it into one where all who wish can enjoy battle in as pure and un-perverted a manner as possible. Broli thanks Gokuu for his friendship and says he hopes one day they can enjoy a great battle together. Gokuu says he’ll hold Broli to that and says he’ll be a totally different guy the next time they fight.

The End!

[Ringworm128]

That was pretty good.

[Saiga]

I really liked the backstory Jacob, just not how powerful you made Broli.

[Ringworm128]

I really liked the backstory Jacob, just not how powerful you made Broli.

Durrr dont u no dat broly is uba and cld pwn all the otha buu saga z figters

[VegettoEX]

Durrr dont u no dat broly is uba and cld pwn all the otha buu saga z figters

Let's not, please.

[JulieYBM]

I really liked the backstory Jacob, just not how powerful you made Broli.

Well, I really don't think this "Don't feed the Broli fans!" attitude is relevant to making a good story, which is what I set out to do. I don't particularly dislike any Dragon Ball character, even if Broli isn't always at the forefront of my mind.

[Saiga]

I really liked the backstory Jacob, just not how powerful you made Broli.

Well, I really don't think this "Don't feed the Broli fans!" attitude is relevant to making a good story, which is what I set out to do. I don't particularly dislike any Dragon Ball character, even if Broli isn't always at the forefront of my mind.

It's got nothing to do with Broli fans. I like Broli, but I don't like him being ridiculously powerful like that.

[JulieYBM]

It's got nothing to do with Broli fans. I like Broli, but I don't like him being ridiculously powerful like that.

I really see no issue with it. It's a self contained story and there's no need to worry about future stories. It's not like the idea is any different than any other Dragon Ball story.

[Piccolo Daimao]

*sigh*

There’s nothing wrong with Broli’s backstory. It’s pretty obvious that he’s just an insane motherfucker. Insanity can cause people to hold grudges on others for petty reasons.

I have no idea where this idea that Broly dislikes Goku purely because he made him cry as a baby comes from...

Broly dislikes Goku because he is his competition to the Legendary Super Saiyan status, his ultimate enemy. He feels it in his bones, in his very soul... He is his rival of destiny as the greatest Super Saiyan ever. That is the real reason.

Don't agree? Well, lets analyze the matter for the sake of it.

It is said that the Legendary Super Saiyan comes every 1000 years. And in the movie it is stated that Goku and Broly are born in the same exact day. This is a coincidence? The crew that thought the movie stated that fact without any motive? Doubtful. Its a single little fact that implies right off the bat that their relationship is something carved out of destiny and rivalry.

And this little fact is supported by the fact that Goku, even at that age and even though he was way weaker than Broly was then, still could affect him and bother him with his cry. And thus, the bond that the crew tried to show that exist between them, of sworn rivalry and destined enemies, is made more apparent. That is the real meaning of Goku making Broly cry as a child, btw, IMO.

Goku is Broly's enemy of destiny, the one who, having been born on the same day as Broly, the same day said to only come once in 1000 years and in which a Legendary Super Saiyan was born, is fated to compete with Broly for the status of Legendary Super Saiyan, the one who, despite not having a tenth of Broly's raw potential still holds within him the key to surpass him and bring about his undoing.

Broly feels it just by being on his presence, he feels Goku's unexplainable danger to him... That is why, the moment he saw Goku as a adult, he reacted as did. He didn't remember that Goku made him cry as a kid... He just recognized him as his ultimate enemy... The one capable of ending him. And that caused a reaction so strong in Broly's mind and instincts that he eventually broke free of his mind control.

And, on the final clash of their battle, what happens?

Goku, using something that Broly could never use, the energy and power of his friends (what we might call Goku's advantage, which was brought about simply by Goku being a very different Saiyan than Broly), makes good on his destined promise of danger to Broly and, in one monstrous blow that combined all he had and all that his allies had, finally surpasses Broly and brings about his destruction.

And what does the crew choose to show us as Goku is defeating Broly? They show us again how Goku, even as a child, with only a fraction of Broly's power, always held inside him, the key and means to affect Broly, to hurt him, to defeat him, to destroy him, even if by then the only thing that showed us that was Goku's ability to make Broly cry.

As I've said, that is the real meaning of Goku and Broly crying, IMO. Goku making Broly cry was never the cause of Broly's hate. The movie goes out of its way to show us that it was much more than that. We just have to interpret it correctly.

And, by having Goku win in the movie on those terms and with that story, in my view, they are simply telling us that the only true, real and accurate Legendary Super Saiyan is Goku, by having been born on the same day as Broly, by coming this far with much inferior raw potential, and by being able to surpass Broly and destroy him, as he did with all his previous foes. And that defines Dragon Ball pretty well as a whole, which only makes it epic.

Therefore, in my view, movie 8 has an awesome story and is easily the deepest of all of them. Its flaws are concentrated mainly on the action of the fights scenes which could have been a little more interesting. Its only too bad that it was somewhat ruined by Broly's two other movies...

So, in conclusion, sure, there can be many other interesting scenarios for the story in movie 8. But in my view they are totally unnecessary and would be almost certainly inferior to it, IMO.

I agree with this. A brilliant explanation.

[dbgtFO]

Yeah, I think Broli's back story is fine as it is, also I too like rereboy's explanation, makes a lot of sense. It sounds a bit like the feeling I had, when I saw it, but never managed to assing words to. A great analysis.

I also think that it should have ended with that movie, Broli coming back in the tenth and eleventh DBZ movie was not needed at all.