"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[Travis Touchdown]

That picture is interesting. I've always been confused on whether or not SSJ3 has pupils as it seems to change depending on the artist. This pic seems to play both sides of the field; Vegeta & Gotenks are drawn without while Goku is drawn with them.

[Super Sayian Prime]

Nothing special here either, just a boss mission of SS3 Goku, SS3 Vegeta, SS3 Gotenks (though they fuse into Gogeta part way through). But I just thought I'd point out another instance of absurd SS3 hair on Gotenks here:

Look at Gotenks locks of hair above Vegeta's left knee. Sliced straight down. That image was either mistakenly cropped, or that art was never meant to be used like that.

[Saiga]

Look at Gotenks locks of hair above Vegeta's left knee. Sliced straight down. That image was either mistakenly cropped, or that art was never meant to be used like that.

The art is from a Gotenks card, so the hair ends at the card border.

[Super Saiyajin Luffy]

Nothing special here either, just a boss mission of SS3 Goku, SS3 Vegeta, SS3 Gotenks (though they fuse into Gogeta part way through). But I just thought I'd point out another instance of absurd SS3 hair on Gotenks here:

I have the urge to quote someone now regarding Gotenks: "What's wrong with his hair?"
Vegeta's hair looks weird and bittle too long, but Goku's hair looks just fine to me...

[Rukura]

This thought just came to me. Eventually, not too far from now, every character (old, new), transformation (old, new, made up), form, etc. will have a character model, signature attacks and combos, because of Dragon Ball Heroes. (At least Z and GT, it seems )

With all of that existing material...what would keep them from making "Dragon Ball: Budokai Heroes" with every character and their grandma, covering the story in full detail?

Also, a cd single with both Heroes themes? (with new extended versions?)

[JeffJarrett]

Surprising that Zarbon's monster form was not introduced in the game yet

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Surprising that Zarbon's monster form was not introduced in the game yet

I don't think Zarbon's monster form has been in any Dimps modeled game, outside his debut in Budokai 1, which isn't in the same shading style of course.

[DNA]

Rukura You just thought of that now? I thought that had been a pretty obvious possibility for quite a long time.

And JeffJarrett it is indeed strange but he's not the only one left without a transformation, Gokua hasn't got his either. You can say that Zarbon is more important but, whilst that is true, I think it's even more glaring that both Broli and Bojack haven't got their base forms in the game.

And I just had an interesting idea that is not going to happen ever. Like many people said, instead of all these new transformations to Saiyans, give other characters a chance to shine; and I remembered something, why not give a character a chance to shine without even giving him a new transformation? Why not give Tenshinhan his four armed form as a playable character? Would be interesting and it would actually feel fresh.

Edit: TheDevilsCorpse while that is true for Zarbon and the other missing forms, they've created dozens of new models, they could have created models for them too. It just doesn't make sense.

[Saiga]

With all of that existing material...what would keep them from making "Dragon Ball: Budokai Heroes" with every character and their grandma, covering the story in full detail?

Attack animations/move sets.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

TheDevilsCorpse while that is true for Zarbon and the other missing forms, they've created dozens of new models, they could have created models for them too. It just doesn't make sense.

I'm not saying they couldn't, just pointing out that it's not really odd that Zarbon's monster form hasn't been included yet. He has been included in every previous Carddass arcade game, but the form never appeared in them, so it's actually to be expected. Something more along the lines of them ignoring SS2 Vegeta for like two sets when all the other Saiyans had the form on a card already, now that was odd.

[DNA]

As soon as I typed that I knew you were going to respond that way. I didn't mean to contradict you or anything, I just added to what you said but in a different direction.

And Saiga is right, the models are missing a big chunk of what makes a playable character in a fighting engine.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Can you imagine if they had to try and code everyone unique animations and combos? Nightmare...

[DNA]

Can you imagine if they had to try and code everyone unique animations and combos? Nightmare...

I'm not even entirely sure they could fit everything in a single game disc to be quite honest.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'm not even entirely sure they could fit everything in a single game disc to be quite honest.

If we were just talking about the golden age when DBZGT games were pretty much Sony exclusive. Then taking Budokai 3/Infinte World off their DVD and porting it over to a Bluray shouldn't be much of a problem if all they are really adding is characters, animations and combos. But now that they are releasing the games on the 360 too, meh... xD

[DNA]

I'm not even entirely sure they could fit everything in a single game disc to be quite honest.

If we were just talking about the golden age when DBZGT games were pretty much Sony exclusive. Then taking Budokai 3/Infinte World off their DVD and porting it over to a Bluray shouldn't be much of a problem if all they are really adding is characters, animations and combos. But now that they are releasing the games on the 360 too, meh... xD

Guess so, rethinking about it, code and script doesn't take that much space. But well, even if that ever happens it will just be another character fuck fest with no gameplay depth like every game for the past decade, so who cares really?

[Rukura]

Rukura You just thought of that now? I thought that had been a pretty obvious possibility for quite a long time.

Well, not really lol. But it suddenly dawned on me how they could make it the FIRST Dragon Ball game with the most complete roster and story mode.

Attack animations/move sets.

From what little gameplay I've seen of Heroes, most of the animations are there. While I do understand that there is still a lot missing for them to be playable in a fighting game, with all that they have and have already done before, it's not like they would be doing EVERYTHING from scratch.

I also understand that such a game would take effort, which going by the recent history with Dragon Ball gaming...uhm...yeah, not so much.

[DNA]

You don't get it; all the characters in Heroes have got is special attack patterns and floating like idiots. They lack all the basics: stance, walk, jump, fly, punch, kick, ki attack, combos, defence, grabs; basically EVERYTHING ELSE. And you have to do that for every single model, you can't copy and paste, otherwise you end up with all the characters feeling the same, as usual.

The thing is, whilst it is a possibility in the future, since the models are done and they do have special attacks, don't think there isn't a ton of work attached to putting each and every one of these characters in a fighting game engine.

[DNA]

*Reviving thread, not sure if it should be merged with the one for Ultimate Mission*

For what it's worth, Japanese rumor mill seems to be that GM4 will cover up to SS3 Goku and Super Bebi Vegeta 2 for GT, and Movie 3's characters along with SS Tullece as the SEC Rare.

It would make sense to go all the way to Super Baby Vegeta 2. And Talece Super Saiyan? Ahah, nice.

[I should explain that I dislike the "Tullece" adaptation for the name, I think it's too direct of a pun. Since his name is "Taresu" and the romanization would be something like Tales (read as Tahles) I think Talece is a good aproximation.]

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Super Saiyan Tullece... Then at least I hope they will also give us Super Saiyan Raditz, Nappa and King Vegeta. It will solve the mysteries of what will happen to the extremely long hair, the bald head, and the beard to those who are not sure about these yet, and we would get some more original Super Saiyans.

[DNA]

I would argue that Talece at least is kinda logical since he is much stronger than the average Saiyans at the time, but Heroes does tend to throw the logic out of the window so... meh.

Also it's just a rumour so far, it might not materialize.