The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kaboom]

SS Gohan (pre-25th TB training) vs. Piccolo and SS Goten (Boo arc)

Putting aside any "Gohan loses because he's a screw-up" notions, neither Goten or Piccolo are powerful enough to bring Gohan down in a serious fight. Results may vary on this one, but I typically don't worry enough about the details to think Gohan was WAY weaker and then somehow regained like half his full power or more during the pre-Tournament training, or something. It's a nice theory, though.

Kaioushin (no psychic powers) vs. SS Gokuu (Cell Games)

Kaioshin gets smashed; I figure him closer to Cell Games Vegeta or Trunks, who were both lagging a considerable bit behind Goku and Gohan. The Super Saiyans in the Boo arc come off as being quite a LOT stronger than him, and neither Goku or Vegeta were supposedly all that much more powerful than Gohan was yet.

Super Boo (only SS Vegetto absorbed) vs. SS4 Gokuu (Boo arc, via Z logic)

Boo wins with relative ease. Vegetto, being ridiculously strong by himself, just gets even stronger when he's absorbed by Boo. Even if SS4 is, at most, base x500 (Oozaru's x10 multiplied by SS's x50), I don't think Gokuu would be able to match Vegetto-Boo's much higher power.

I just kept your answer in the quote because I agree with it 100%. Goku is already far enough behind Evil Boo that a non-GT-powered Super Saiyan 4 probably wouldn't even let him catch up to Boo on his own. Adding Vegetto to Boo's power just makes it infinitely unfair.

Mr. Satan & Videl (merged with Potara) vs. King Chapa (22nd TB)

I also have taken to the "more similar = better Potara Fusion" theory, and like you said, Videl and Satan don't seem like a very good match. Their Fusion probably wouldn't be anything extremely amazing. Similar to Kaioshin and Kibito merging, I guess. Whether it would let them top Chappa is a mystery.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Results may vary on this one, but I typically don't worry enough about the details to think Gohan was WAY weaker and then somehow regained like half his full power or more during the pre-Tournament training, or something. It's a nice theory, though.

Oh, I don't believe in that either. I just thought it might be important to some that think Piccolo and/or Goten were closer to Gohan, so him being out of shape could somewhat tip the scales.

For the record, I don't think Gohan actually lost any power over those 7 years. It's just that he lost the ability to gain power from rage, which, IMO, was a factor in his Super Saiyan 2 (unique from the rest because 1, he's Gohan, and 2, he's the only one whose transformation was triggered by rage. In the guidebooks, it's said that Gokuu and Vegeta merely became SS2 through harsh training). So, in that sense, he was technically stronger as a child, but he didn't literally decrease in power. If that makes sense.

To put it into battle power terms:

The Cell Games

Son Gohan: 30,000,000
Super Saiyan: 1,500,000,000
Angry SS2: 3,500,000,000

Majin Boo

Son Gohan: 30,000,000
Super Saiyan: 1,500,000,000
Super Saiyan 2: 3,000,000,000

Of course, this is under the assumption that Gohan was SS2 against Dabra and Fat Boo, an issue that I often flip-flop on, depending on the situation. When just debating with others about it, I tend to go with SS. When dealing with battle power lists, I tend to go with SS2. It's just easier that way, and makes things less of a clusterfuck. The Boo arc honestly is the arc that I have the most trouble generating battle powers for, because I still hold to this day that its power-scaling is more whacked than in the previous arcs. At least it's not on GT's level of bad, though.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, I get what you mean. I love the Majin Boo arc for its return to Toriyama's trademark irreverent goofiness, but that's also the aspect that makes it so difficult to judge in these terms, and leaves a lot of things up in the air.

Here's one that should be interesting:

Freeza and Coola [Merged via Potara] VS the Majin Boo Arc

How far do you think these two get when they merge? Or in other words, who's the strongest Boo-arc character they could take on in a fight? I could see them easily stomping everyone but the Super Saiyan 3-tier characters and above. SSj3 Goku might have a hard time bringing them down.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Freeza and Coola [Merged via Potara] VS the Majin Boo Arc

How far do you think these two get when they merge? Or in other words, who's the strongest Boo-arc character they could take on in a fight?

I probably screwed up my subjective calculations for what is a pretty arbitrary and unpredictable method of Fusion, but I guess they'd end up around SS3 Gotenks.

[Rocketman]

How do they put the Potara on?

[Kaboom]

How do they put the Potara on?

They start off in their first forms and hang them from their horns.

[vegetaslegacy15]

Well if they can transform all the way into cooler's fifth form..... then I could see them taking down Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Since they are rivals, have similar body types, and are both males.

[Fox666]

Depends on how strong Coola is supposed to be. It's only in a videogame that he is stated at 470,000,000, while a reliable source only says "impossible to measure". At best that only means he is superior to 150,000,000 before transforming by an unknow amount.

Since he was defeated by a Super Saiyan Goku, should we assume he is not as strong as the Androids? If that is the case, a fusion beetween Coola and Freeza would be nowhere close to Gotenks as a Super Saiyan.

[SSJ3_Gogeta]

Yeah, I get what you mean. I love the Majin Boo arc for its return to Toriyama's trademark irreverent goofiness, but that's also the aspect that makes it so difficult to judge in these terms, and leaves a lot of things up in the air.

Here's one that should be interesting:

Freeza and Coola [Merged via Potara] VS the Majin Boo Arc

How far do you think these two get when they merge? Or in other words, who's the strongest Boo-arc character they could take on in a fight? I could see them easily stomping everyone but the Super Saiyan 3-tier characters and above. SSj3 Goku might have a hard time bringing them down.

My guess is that they would be slightly stronger that SSJ2 Gohan @ the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai but weaker than SSJ2 Goku and Vegeta. Any form of Buu would rapestomp them.

Here are some matchups of my own:

2 Saibamen fused together with Potara vs. Freeza Arc
SSJ3 Gotenks (Post Rosat) vs Hyper Meta Rilldo
SSJ4 Goku (Freeza Saga) vs Cell Arc

[mysticboy]

Here are some matchups of my own:

2 Saibamen fused together with Potara vs. Freeza Arc - 2nd or 3rd form Freeza beats them
SSJ3 Gotenks (Post Rosat) vs Hyper Meta Rilldo - ???
SSJ4 Goku (Freeza Saga) vs Cell Arc - Perfect Cell should win

My answers in this color.

[hleV]

Even if Saibaimen's battle powers were multiplied, thus 1,200 * 1,200 = 1,440,000, 3rd form Freeza would wreck their fusion. But that probably wouldn't happen so 1st form Freeza stomps them.

[Kaboom]

2 Saibamen fused via Potara vs. The Freeza Arc

Yeah, like hlev already pointed out, even if they got the same absurd 'multiplied together' boost as Vegetto, they would at best only be able to fight 2nd-form Freeza (who was "over one million" when he first transformed, and then powered up twice just within that form), and would still lose to him because he's... well, Freeza and not some brainless little vegetable-thing.

But from a more practical standpoint... they'd probably lose to the Ginyu Force.

SSJ3 Gotenks (Post Rosat) vs Hyper Meta Rild

Leaving "GT Logic" out of it, I wouldn't peg Rild in any form as stronger than any of the mightier forms of Boo. I'd see him around as strong as Fat Boo, at best. Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks would absolutely demolish him and leave nothing left.

SSJ4 Goku (Freeza Saga) vs Cell Arc

Again putting aside "GT Logic," and using my go-to non-GT boost for SSj4 of 500x base power... Goku ends up about as strong as SSj Vegeta or Trunks at the Cell Games. He could take out a Cell Junior with considerable effort.

[Piccolo Daimao]

2 Saibamen fused together with Potara vs. Freeza Arc

Since they're pretty much a perfect match (being exactly the same and all), they'd probably receive almost or around the same "multiplied together" boost commonly used for Vegetto, which would put them at 1.44 million. But the merged Saibaimen would get stomped by merged-with-Nail Piccolo, third-form Freeza, and probably second-form Freeza too, who'd have the advantage in intelligence and skill.

SSJ4 Goku (Freeza Saga) vs Cell Arc

Going by even the highest multiplier for SS4 being base x500, I'd say that Gokuu would wind up equal to SS Gohan at the Cell Games. He'd be able to take out a Cell Junior, Piccolo, SS Vegeta and Trunks post-2nd RoSaT, maybe SS Gokuu with considerable effort, and hold the upper hand in a roughly even battle against complete Cell when he fought SS Gokuu. He'd probably wear himself out against Cell, though, because of his regeneration.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Paikuuhan vs. Dabra

If Paikuuhan's stronger than super-complete Cell (based on him effortlessly knocking him out in one hit), then I think he'd back Dabra into a corner enough for him to use his magic, which would involve his stone-spit technique. If Paikuuhan can dodge it, then he'd win.

Olivuu vs. super-complete Cell

Olivuu put up a good fight against Paikuuhan. Cell couldn't even do that, but his regeneration may allow him to hold his own for a while.

SS5 Gokuu (Boo arc) vs. SS Gogeta

Since I believe that Gogeta's only slightly weaker than Vegetto, Gogeta would win with relative ease, even in the highest multiplier for SS5 would be base x1000 (double the base x500 for SS4).

Jheese vs. Sauzer (equal powers)

I think that Sauzer would win solely because of that blade thing that comes out of his hand. The best technique that we'd seen Jheese use was the Crusher Ball, which looks like nothing more than an energy ball.

Base Gokuu (Z Movie #13) vs. 100% Freeza

I think that, because everyone's powers seemed to get ridiculously upscaled in this film, Gokuu's marginally stronger than Freeza here. So he'd win due to Freeza's energy drain.

Super Boo (only base Vegeta absorbed) vs. SS3 Gotenks

I think absorbing Vegeta would make Boo just strong enough to overcome Gotenks, who's a showboater anyway.

Great King Cold (full power) vs. Android #20

Cold, despite initially being stronger, would get too cocky and have his energy absorbed, leading to his defeat.

[dbgtFO]

Paikuuhan vs. Dabra

If Paikuuhan's stronger than super-complete Cell (based on him effortlessly knocking him out in one hit), then I think he'd back Dabra into a corner enough for him to use his magic, which would involve his stone-spit technique. If Paikuuhan can dodge it, then he'd win.

Agreed.

Olivuu vs. super-complete Cell

Olivuu owns Cell with little effort.

Jheese vs. Sauzer (equal)

I think that Sauzer would win solely because of that blade thing that comes out of his hand. The best technique that we'd seen Jheese use was the Crusher Ball, which looks like nothing more than an energy ball.

Sounds about right.

Base Gokuu (Z Movie #13) vs. 100% Freeza

Goku has no problems whatsoever and kills Freeza rather easily.

Super Boo (only base Vegeta absorbed) vs. SS3 Gotenks

The absorption practically makes no difference and if Gotenks goes all-out from the beginning Buu is screwed.

Great King Cold (full power) vs. Android #20

Cold can't even put up a match and his once so great life as secret leader of the planet trading business comes to a pitiful end.

[dbzfan7]

Who Wins?
Vegetto VS Gokan(Gohan & Goku Potara Fusion)

People say a rival boost and the compatibility made Vegetto really strong, but how would he compare to the hypothetical fusion that was supposed to happen (story wise) until Bootenks became Booccolo.

[hleV]

Who Wins?
Vegetto VS Gokan(Gohan & Goku Potara Fusion)

Don't insult Vegetto.

[dbzfan7]

Who Wins?
Vegetto VS Gokan(Gohan & Goku Potara Fusion)

Don't insult Vegetto.

What is that supposed to mean?

[hleV]

That you can't compare anyone to Vegetto.

[dbzfan7]

That you can't compare anyone to Vegetto.

Care to explain your reasoning since that really is the entire point of VERSUS threads.