Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

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Post by rereboy » Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:27 pm

Its like a homo sapiens eating a neanderthal. Its not exactly like a chicken.

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Post by Rocketman » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:17 pm

rereboy wrote:Its like a homo sapiens eating a neanderthal. Its not exactly like a chicken.
Neanderthal were homo neanderthalis, so they were very, very closely related.

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Post by rereboy » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:39 pm

Rocketman wrote:
rereboy wrote:Its like a homo sapiens eating a neanderthal. Its not exactly like a chicken.
Neanderthal were homo neanderthalis, so they were very, very closely related.
I know that. So are Saiyans and humans in a way. They might not be from the same planet or have the same genetic ancestor but both species look virtually the same and they are even genetically compatible, being able to produce perfectly viable offspring.

Therefore, my comparison to the closest real world example I could think of: homo sapiens and neanderthal.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dprez » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:02 pm

I want to see Kakarotto try to challenge his brother.

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Post by TonyTheTiger » Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:54 pm

I have to assume that Kakarot is just...special. And that this behavior is not normal even by Saiyan standards. Otherwise it's hard to imagine how the Saiyans would be capable of maintaining even the most rudimentary civilization.

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Post by Marco Polo » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:36 pm

The first panel is very confusing at first glance. Also the art is very inconsistent.

Anyway Kakarotto is not a human but he isn't supposed to know it at this point.

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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:39 pm

Well..... who says there are no surprises in this comic? :lol:
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Post by Attitudefan » Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:07 am

TonyTheTiger wrote:I have to assume that Kakarot is just...special. And that this behavior is not normal even by Saiyan standards. Otherwise it's hard to imagine how the Saiyans would be capable of maintaining even the most rudimentary civilization.
That's not necessarily true. The saiyan back story in the anime with the stuffles vs saiyans come to mind. I bet they ate those tiny folk.

By definition, cannibalism is eating your own kind/species. Eating a Neanderthal is still not cannibalism as they are classed as the same genus but not species therefore, eating a Neanderthal is not cannibalism.

Just on a side note: if any of our other human family members, either with the same family and/or genus, were still alive today, it's no doubt we would treat them as barbaric animals and put them in a zoo. Look at what we do to our own species!! we subclass different 'races'! It's no wonder Kakarot would eat a different species. Maybe I'm looking into this too much.
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Post by TonyTheTiger » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:34 am

I don't know. It's hard to say because, well, we pretty much have the world to ourselves and have for all of recorded history and then some. Although species is a mere biological issue, sapience is not. I'm not sure we would be too keen on eating chickens if we regularly had full mutual conversations with them. And there's a school of thought that the neanderthals interbred with humans. Given you don't usually screw something you don't consider one of your own, there would have to have been some mutual understanding there.

Interestingly, the American legal system tends to use the word "person" rather than "human." If some animal species spontaneously developed the kind of sapience that puts them on our level, or if a neanderthal were found alive somewhere, then "personhood" for that class would likely not be far behind. The arguments for such, at least, would start immediately. I think Alf actually dealt with this, of all things. In fact, this gets real interesting. Researchers are recognizing that dolphins are showing signs of just that kind of capacity for things once thought to be exclusively human traits (planning for the future, culture, language, etc.) to the point that not only are the researchers trying to meaningfully communicate with them, it isn't completely unrealistic that something like this might actually become an issue in our lifetimes.

In the case of Saiyans, they clearly are fundamentally human, so much so that Vegeta, the Saiyan pride junkie of all people, didn't seem to have an issue shacking up with one. They're Spartans. We know they have all the same emotions and social bonds that we have, it's just that their culture is one that seriously downplays it and probably shames it. But they're also clearly well organized with a political system that has shades of a meritocracy and they're savvy enough to manage an interstellar business with the resident overlord until...ya know...kaboom. I suppose a child who grows up in the wild could wind up feral like Kakarot here (which sadly does happen to humans left in the same condition) but if that were the case it wouldn't be something he'd be able to just snap out of once his job is done. It's not like the socialization process starts at age 22. The impression I get is that Kakarot is socialized enough (he wouldn't be able to speak otherwise) but just living without inhibitions, like an Ayn Randian gone wild. And knowing Goku...well...he's gonna eat, right? And he's always been kinda stupid. 1 + 1 = Bite Yamcha.

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Post by rereboy » Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:22 am

Marco Polo wrote:
Anyway Kakarotto is not a human but he isn't supposed to know it at this point.
Wouldn't his programming (that the main Goku lost when he hit his head) inform him that he isn't human?

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:33 am

Both Saiyans and Earthlings are humans; Herms even made a topic about this a while ago. So, yeah, it’s pretty much cannibalism. But I’d treat it no different than Yajirobe contemplating eating a dead Gokuu, since he’s a savage vagabond who lives in the forest and has piss-poor social skills too.
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Post by TripleRach » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:45 am

TonyTheTiger wrote:I'm not sure we would be too keen on eating chickens if we regularly had full mutual conversations with them.
Well, there are already a lot of people who don't eat animals, mainly because they're a lot more sympathetic and human-like than plants.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:32 pm

I think the sapience issue is why I still find it creepy even if I don't deem it 'cannibalism' per say. I could certainly never eat a dolphin, or even a cat or a dog for that matter, but I'm pretty big on chicken and cow.

That and yeah, I'd put this version of Goku eating someone on the same level as Yajirobe. Yajirobe DID eat Cymbal after all, and he was sapient...
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by dprez » Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:15 pm

It's just his saiyan savagery.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:05 pm

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TonyTheTiger » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:22 pm

At least they're willing to fix some of the biggest errors. But still "It's enough" in this context is still awkward, something that wouldn't happen at all with an editor. I don't get these guys.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gohaz » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:50 pm

ok, I just understand Goku biting Yamcha as a nudge to the Goku biting Freeza/Buu/Rock and whatnot...
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Marco Polo » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:23 pm

Note that in the DB universe there are both non-sapient dogs and sapient dogs... maybe this Kakarotto just doesn't understand all these subtleties :P

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Deep Thought » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:25 pm

I'm not too keen to see Yamcha get so easily dominated by Goku. I was expecting a much more protracted battle between them where "Kakkarot" would just barely win. This, combined with his spontaneous and out-of-character act of cowardice makes me not particularly fond of this chapter at all.

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