The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Saiga]

Fat Boo vs SSJ3 Goku

Kid Boo vs SSJ3 Goku(max power right away)

I have Goku as losing both fights, failing to score a decisive blow before his energy drops too low.

[dbgtFO]

Base Vegetto vs Full Power SSJ3 Goku

Does the latter stand a chance?

Not in the slightest.
As for fusion vs. Super Saiyan, as I have said before, I agree that Fusion simply outdoes whatever Super Saiyan can give you, I feel the same about Potara(given it's a perfect match) vs. Fusion like this:

Goku(normal) < SS 3 Goku < Gogeta(normal) < SS 3 Gogeta < Vegetto(normal).

[CaptainKatsura]

Now, claiming that base Vegetto is stronger than SSJ3 Gogeta is too HUGE stretch. It's likely that Gogeta at SSJ could be weaker than SSJ Vegetto, but not his base form. And there two forms more. I'm inclined to think that SSJ Gogeta, maybe SSJ2, would obliterate Super Buu (Gohan absorbed) too, but due to issue of time limit Potara fusion was chosen.

[shonenhikada]

Isn't Yamcha on par with SSJ 3 Goku ?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Isn't Yamcha on par with SSJ 3 Goku ?

What the hell am I reading?

[Piccolo Daimao]

Base Vegetto vs Full Power SSJ3 Goku

Does the latter stand a chance?

Nope. Base Vegetto's, at best, only SS2-tier.

@Daimao Simply because non of the Gods thus far have been impressive to them. I think a combination of Godliness and power would get that react out of Piccolo, but not Godliness alone.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. The Kami within Piccolo assumes that the Kaioushin's stronger than him because he believes him to be Dai-Kaiou, a superior deity, and he is stronger than him. I'm basically saying that Piccolo's guess was right. He didn't want to fight Kaioushin out of respect because he was a higher god, but also because he was probably so much stronger than him that he wouldn't stand a chance anyway.

Fat Boo vs SSJ3 Goku

Gokuu said that he was strong enough to defeat Fat Boo and this is never contradicted before or after, so Gokuu wins.

Kid Boo vs SSJ3 Goku(max power right away)

Same as above. Both Gokuu and Vegeta agreed that Gokuu would be able to blow away Pure Boo if he gathered up enough ki, so if Gokuu gets a chance to do that while he's dead, then he'd win.

[shonenhikada]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. The Kami within Piccolo assumes that the Kaioushin's stronger than him because he believes him to be Dai-Kaiou, a superior deity, and he is stronger than him. I'm basically saying that Piccolo's guess was right. He didn't want to fight Kaioushin out of respect because he was a higher god, but also because he was probably so much stronger than him that he wouldn't stand a chance anyway.

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Stronger than him or Kami ? If latter i agree, but it could be very well Kami's fear of dai kaio being stronger than him (not piccolo), affecting Piccolo's will to fight him. Since Kami was always pretty weak. Its like vegeta said playing into old fears, when kaioshin mention destroy Freeza with one blast, and goku was impressed.

[Hellspawn28]

I'm pretty sure Vegito in his base form would be above SS2-tier by power scaling. I think FP SSj3 Goku vs. Vegito could either way but Vegito would seem to last longer since he would have more stamina.

[dbzfan7]

Base Vegetto vs Full Power SSJ3 Goku

Does the latter stand a chance?

Nope. Base Vegetto's, at best, only SS2-tier.

@Daimao Simply because non of the Gods thus far have been impressive to them. I think a combination of Godliness and power would get that react out of Piccolo, but not Godliness alone.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. The Kami within Piccolo assumes that the Kaioushin's stronger than him because he believes him to be Dai-Kaiou, a superior deity, and he is stronger than him. I'm basically saying that Piccolo's guess was right. He didn't want to fight Kaioushin out of respect because he was a higher god, but also because he was probably so much stronger than him that he wouldn't stand a chance anyway.

Fat Boo vs SSJ3 Goku

Gokuu said that he was strong enough to defeat Fat Boo and this is never contradicted before or after, so Gokuu wins.

Kid Boo vs SSJ3 Goku(max power right away)

Same as above. Both Gokuu and Vegeta agreed that Gokuu would be able to blow away Pure Boo if he gathered up enough ki, so if Gokuu gets a chance to do that while he's dead, then he'd win.

Goku said Fat Boo's power was like a lie and he didn't think he could win. Unless he was lying. I'm pretty sure Goku and Vegeta said max power SSJ3 was the best chance to destroy him. They also said the Genki-Dama would work and they were wrong. The force of the Genki-Dama wasn't enough and it needed Goku to be Super Saiyan. So honestly I think they could only guess MPSSJ3 would work. I think it would have failed since they underestimated this form of Boo.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Goku was lying about Fat Boo. Even Piccolo seemed to think he was full of it. Right before he takes on Kid Boo, he admits he could've beaten fat man with Super Saiyan 3.

[dbzfan7]

Goku was lying about Fat Boo. Even Piccolo seemed to think he was full of it. Right before he takes on Kid Boo, he admits he could've beaten fat man with Super Saiyan 3.

I think it was lying or a retcon. I think it depends on when Toriyama decided Goku would be the hero. Lying fits the story as it is but I think Kid Boo wasn't planned until Toriyama decided Goku would replace Gohan. I might be wrong about that. I still think Kid Boo wins because they underestimated him a few times.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I always went with the idea of him lying (or rather, Goku just not being fully honest about things) mainly because it didn't seem like he even believed what he said. Once Piccolo questioned him on not even trying, he told Piccolo it wasn't his responsibility to handle Boo, but up to the newer generation instead.

As for Kid Boo, I always saw him and Goku as equals. I don't think Kid Boo would sit there and give Goku a chance to gather his power for a Super Kame-Hame-Ha. Goku started the battle off at full-power and slowly lost energy throughout the fight. He'd need his otherworld body in order to win against Kid Boo.

[Saiga]

But we saw what happens when Goku tries to build up ki as a Super Saiyan 3 - it fails. He said he'd been going all out from the start trying to defeat Pure Boo.

[Kaboom]

The impression I got was that Goku had to spend so much time "charging up" to regain the power he'd already lost fighting Boo. So in order to actually defeat Pure Boo, I figure he'd have to either...

A) Focus and fire that large attack right away before his power has drained by any noteworthy amount, or
B) Be fighting in a dead body so his power won't drain so fast to begin with.

[Saiga]

The impression I got was that Goku had to spend so much time "charging up" to regain the power he'd already lost fighting Boo. So in order to actually defeat Pure Boo, I figure he'd have to either...

A) Focus and fire that large attack right away before his power has drained by any noteworthy amount, or
B) Be fighting in a dead body so his power won't drain so fast to begin with.

See, my impression is that he was trying right off the bat to finish things and he just couldn't do it while fighting. The only chance he had of building up his power was for someone to distract Boo, and by that stage it was too late.

So I think that in a one-on-one fight he'd fail to pull it off every time.

[dbzfan7]

I agree with Saiga. I don't think he ever stood chance with the SSJ3 drawbacks. Even while dead, Pure Boo would have no problem with Goku's attacks. I think Pure Boo may have been only playing with Goku. I'm not sure they were even equals.

Base Saiyans>Piccolo or Piccolo>Base Saiyans

[shonenhikada]

Isn't Yamcha on par with SSJ 3 Goku ?

What the hell am I reading?

Yamcha is roughly on par with SSJ3 Goku. He's only a little weaker.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Stronger than him or Kami ? If latter i agree, but it could be very well Kami's fear of dai kaio being stronger than him (not piccolo), affecting Piccolo's will to fight him. Since Kami was always pretty weak. Its like vegeta said playing into old fears, when kaioshin mention destroy Freeza with one blast, and goku was impressed.

Stronger than Piccolo. And Kami technically is Piccolo now, since they returned as one.

[shonenhikada]

Stronger than him or Kami ? If latter i agree, but it could be very well Kami's fear of dai kaio being stronger than him (not piccolo), affecting Piccolo's will to fight him. Since Kami was always pretty weak. Its like vegeta said playing into old fears, when kaioshin mention destroy Freeza with one blast, and goku was impressed.

Stronger than Piccolo. And Kami technically is Piccolo now, since they returned as one.

Not necessarily it can also be looked at Kami's inferiority and fear of being infront of a powerful god playing on Piccolo and making him think he is weaker than supreme kai. Similar to how in a later scene Vegeta got scared, and goku was impressed by him bringing up destroying Freeza with one blast, while before they had no comment on how strong he was, and vegeta even eclaimed he thought supreme kai was weak from the start. Vegeta in that scene also brought up the idea of old fears, which i believe is similar to Piccolo's scene with supreme kai.

In short its like say your kami your weak sauce and are infront of supreme kai so you know how incredibly strong he is. Then let say you fuse with Piccolo, even though your physically stronger, Kami's mentallity is he's still weak sauce compared to supreme kai, and so would project on Piccolo.

[dbzfan7]

Isn't Yamcha on par with SSJ 3 Goku ?

What the hell am I reading?

Yamcha is roughly on par with SSJ3 Goku. He's only a little weaker.

Yamcha isn't even close to Base Saiyans. I hope this is a joke. I would see how that conclusion makes sense in dbz filler, but in the manga he is nowhere near that good. He would've participated in the Tenkaichi Budokai with Goku and Vegeta if he was that strong.