How powerful did Yamcha, Ten, Chaozu, and Krillin get?

[CaptainKatsura]

Krillin was 75.000 at the end of Frieza arc, according to Daizenshuu.

[Saiga]

Krillin was 75.000 at the end of Freeza arc, according to Daizenshuu.

Minor correction, it was a scan from V-Jump that had Kurilin's battle power of 75,000.

[Jackal puFF]

I still don't understand how battle powers work.. It's like they increase after every single fight they have. How does that raise your battle power? Cause of experience?

[shonenhikada]

Since I don't feel like reading through 6 pages of what's probably been a lot of back-and-forth debating of the same points, I'm just going to toss out my thougths on the topic itself and ignore the current discussion thread.

As I see it, by the Buu era:
Tenshinhan - Over 150,000 but less than 300,000.
Krillin - Over 100,000 but less than 200,000.
Yamcha - Around 120,000.
Chaotuz - Around 50,000.

I also don't want to read through six pages, but Krillin's Grand Elder power up helped him surpass all the other humans considerably in the Freeza Arc. Yamcha I don't believe could catch up to him in three short years, considering he only trained on Kaiosama's planet and for the Artificial human arc, and never fought again after Cell. Also Krillin against Freeza was stated to be around 140,000 if I'm not correct. (please someone correct me if I am lying.) Not only that but he did three additional years of training for the Jinzenogen, so I wouldn't be surprised in Krillin could've been in the 300,000 to 400,000 range by the Cell Arc.

So with all that said, I don't want to put Yamcha any higher then 30,000. I truly think that people become so absorbed with the concept of Saiyan Zenkai increases that they inadvertently apply them to humans as well. I really don't think the humans are really that strong by the end of the series, and the only reason why they survived the Cell Jr onslaught was because their only intent was to piss Gohan off. They weren't interested in killing any of them, and none of the humans were able put up any kind of a fight inspite of the Cell Jr.s just screwing around.
Tenshinhan on the other hand was able to hold off second form cell with his shin kikoho, so I agree with the 150,000 range, if not higher.

Lol where was it stated Krillin grand elder power up surpassed all other humans during the Freeza saga ? Fan speculation doesn't count.

[Saiga]

Well, there are the official power levels that put him well beyond the other humans.

[CaptainKatsura]

And at best, Tenshinhan would reach 36.600 power level after training with King Kai. In case of Yamcha and Chiaotzu 29.600 and 12.200. They would have to progress faster than Goku to possibly catch up with Krillin

[In Brightest Day]

Well, there are the official power levels that put him well beyond the other humans.

We don't have power levels for the other humans.

[CaptainKatsura]

We have. All their power levels during Saiyan Arc are stated.

[In Brightest Day]

I'm struggling to see the relevancy of their PL's from an entire arc prior to the one in question.

[Saiga]

I'm struggling to see the relevancy of their PL's from an entire arc prior to the one in question.

I've already explained it to you. It shows the kind of gap they had to bridge in time of the Saiyan Arc to the Freeza Arc.

[Bussani]

They would have to progress faster than Goku to possibly catch up with Krillin

Well, they have done that in the past. They gained strength faster training under Kami in one year than Goku did in three. Of course, Kami apparently left Goku's training to Popo when he realized that Goku wouldn't go through with killing Piccolo, so maybe he just got a raw deal...? They also asked Kaio for tougher training than he gave Goku, for whatever that's worth.

I suppose there's another way of looking at this, however. Goku got about twenty times stronger from his training with Kaio, right? He was there for 158 days, so we could break that down and say that he got something like 1.018889 times stronger each day. If we then assume that Tenshinhan would increase at the same rate, while also taking into account that he was there for 266 days and had a battle power of around 1830 when he got there, then we get something like...

1830 * (1.018889)^266 = 265,582

However, that's assuming the rate of growth would be the same from day to day rather than it slowing down the stronger he got, which would probably be more likely. If we take the growth as a whole into account instead of breaking it down into days, then saying he'd get forty times stronger (as opposed to Goku's twenty) would be pretty generous considering he wasn't there twice as long as Goku had been, and a forty times increase would still only put him up to 73,200. Personally, I could believe that, and if I'm generous enough to assume that he made really good progress with his mountain training, I don't have too much of a problem thinking he may have been in a low millions by the arrival of the androids.

But I do admit that I'm being really generous when I say that.

[shonenhikada]

They would have to progress faster than Goku to possibly catch up with Krillin

Well, they have done that in the past. They gained strength faster training under Kami in one year than Goku did in three. Of course, Kami apparently left Goku's training to Popo when he realized that Goku wouldn't go through with killing Piccolo, so maybe he just got a raw deal...? They also asked Kaio for tougher training than he gave Goku, for whatever that's worth.

I suppose there's another way of looking at this, however. Goku got about twenty times stronger from his training with Kaio, right? He was there for 158 days, so we could break that down and say that he got something like 1.018889 times stronger each day. If we then assume that Tenshinhan would increase at the same rate, while also taking into account that he was there for 266 days and had a battle power of around 1830 when he got there, then we get something like...

1830 * (1.018889)^266 = 265,582

However, that's assuming the rate of growth would be the same from day to day rather than it slowing down the stronger he got, which would probably be more likely. If take the growth as a whole into account instead of breaking it down into days, then saying he'd get forty times stronger (as opposed to Goku's twenty) would be pretty generous considering he wasn't there twice as long as Goku had been, and a forty times increase would still only put him up to 73,200. Personally, I could believe that, and if I'm generous enough to assume that he made really good progress with his mountain training, I don't have too much of a problem thinking he may have been in a low millions by the arrival of the androids.

But I do admit that I'm being really generous when I say that.

You forgot to factor in Tenshihan stating that he would USE Goku's training regiment, and highlight the key points, in order to progress faster, then you also have to factor in that Tien has training partners which would enhance his growth even further than Goku who trained alone. However, with the departure of Yamcha the rate would have slow down a bit, for the remaining 6 months.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I'm struggling to see the relevancy of their PL's from an entire arc prior to the one in question.

There is not a very big gap between Saiyan, Namek, and Freeza arcs.
In Saiyan arc their battle powers were these:

Tenshinhan: 1.830
Yamcha: 1.480
Chaozu: 610

All Tenshinhan, Yamcha & Chaozu had done from their deaths until the battle with Freeza was running for 1 month & 10 days, and then training under Kaio for 5 days.

But then again, I'm starting to thinking this over again... Since Piccolo's BP was 3.500 in Saiyan arc, and Nail was impressed with his power after the training with Kaio, maybe it could be possible that the 3 Earthlings could take on the Ginyu Tokusentai (minus Ginyu) like in the filler. I wouldn't have them beyond 70.000 though.

BTW, I should note that in DBZ Movie 9, when Future Trunks fought Tenshinhan in the tournament, Trunks had to turn into a Super Saiyan to defeat Tenshinhan with one blow. Not saying that Tenshinhan could be stronger than base Trunks (Trunks did it to finish him quickly), but maybe Tenshinhan (along with Kuririn & Yamcha) weren't too far from the base Saiyans.

[Saiga]

I wouldn't read into Piccolo's post-training battle power too much. All he needs to be for it to work is stronger than the average Namekian.

Plus, he gets stronger at a much faster rate than the humans anyway if we take the Saiyan arc timeskip into consideration.

[CaptainKatsura]

He could be then, I think, 70.000 post ressurection. Much stronger than strongest Namekian, no wonder Nail was impressed.

[Bussani]

You forgot to factor in Tenshihan stating that he would USE Goku's training regiment, and highlight the key points, in order to progress faster, then you also have to factor in that Tenshinhan has training partners which would enhance his growth even further than Goku who trained alone.

Well, I didn't factor that into the mathy part I did first since I was just trying to show that it's possible to get a higher result even if we assume the day-to-day progress was the same. But you're right--maybe I wasn't being that overly generous when I said he could have progressed faster than Goku.

Goku did spar with Kaio, but he'd be less useful once he surpassed him. Tenshinhan would have had Yamcha, who would grow with him and keep pushing him further. That's more beneficial, but Yamcha probably left when he was resurrected, which would have been just over 130 days after they arrived. I'm not sure how much help Chiaotzu would be, but I suppose he's better than nothing...

So yeah, there are reasons for them to make better progress than Goku did. But even taking those into account, I'd still say it's generous to assume that even Tenshinhan could have reached 100,000.

He could be then, I think, 70.000 post ressurection. Much stronger than strongest Namekian, no wonder Nail was impressed.

Wouldn't that be more than a twenty-times increase in only six days? I'm not really one of those people who would say that's impossible, because this is fiction and can do whatever it wants, but the fact that it's a better increase than Goku got at the exact same time, when Goku was abusing 100g, near-death-power-ups and magical beans, seems very odd.

[In Brightest Day]

I wouldn't read into Piccolo's post-training battle power too much. All he needs to be for it to work is stronger than the average Namekian.

Plus, he gets stronger at a much faster rate than the humans anyway if we take the Saiyan arc timeskip into consideration.

If the argument that Nails comment towards Piccolo was a suggestion that he was stronger than himself (and I haven't paid enough attention to see if that theory was proven or not) then Piccolo's growth rate in comparison to the Humans in the lead up to Vegeta and Nappa's arrival definitely is more supportive of the idea that the humans are stronger than most give them credit for after Kaio's training. Piccolo was on a level above the human fighters during the Saiyan arc, but he wasn't that far ahead of them.

[Saiga]

I wouldn't read into Piccolo's post-training battle power too much. All he needs to be for it to work is stronger than the average Namekian.

Plus, he gets stronger at a much faster rate than the humans anyway if we take the Saiyan arc timeskip into consideration.

If the argument that Nails comment towards Piccolo was a suggestion that he was stronger than himself (and I haven't paid enough attention to see if that theory was proven or not) then Piccolo's growth rate in comparison to the Humans in the lead up to Vegeta and Nappa's arrival definitely is more supportive of the idea that the humans are stronger than most give them credit for after Kaio's training. Piccolo was on a level above the human fighters during the Saiyan arc, but he wasn't that far ahead of them.

That argument can't be proven, because it's not like Nail says anything about Piccolo being stronger than him. I don't even have Piccolo being over 10,000 at that point.

[Edward Newgate]

Back in Android arc, Gero confused Yamcha with Goku. Gero stopped keeping track of Goku at the end of his fight with Vegeta, where Goku's max BP was 32,000. Gero also believed that Goku wouldn't get any stronger because of his age. So we can assume that Yamcha is a little bit stronger than that, right?

Which means that Tien is even stronger, with Piccolo being even stronger than him. So Piccolo can't be just 10,000, Saiga.

[Saiga]

Back in Android arc, Gero confused Yamcha with Goku. Gero stopped keeping track of Goku at the end of his fight with Vegeta, where Goku's max BP was 32,000. Gero also believed that Goku wouldn't get any stronger because of his age. So we can assume that Yamcha is a little bit stronger than that, right?

Which means that Tenshinhan is even stronger, with Piccolo being even stronger than him. So Piccolo can't be just 10,000, Saiga.

What? That's after the 3 years training for the Androids. I'm talking about Piccolo after his 6 days on Kaio's planet. Too very separate things.