Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Gyt Kaliba]

Under normal circumstances, I'd assume the Saiyans would come and pick up the child they sent out not long after sending them. Kakarrot here may have been left on his own for an unusual amount of time due to planet Vegeta blowing up, which could explain why he turned out this way.

Didn't think about it that way, but that makes a lot of sense. Come to think of it, I always got the feeling that even Raditz had kind of forgotten about his brother's existence up until they had the need for another Saiyan. If Radtiz hadn't been one of the survivors, Goku probably never would have had to deal with anything Saiyan at all.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

A crazy, merciless, cannibal, pervert Super Saiyan... This Kakarotto is awesome.

[jjgp1112]

What I like most is how this is what Goku would be like with basically the same [non-existent] upbringing but without getting his brains scrambled.

[Marco Polo]

What I like most is how this is what Goku would be like with basically the same [non-existent] upbringing but without getting his brains scrambled.

Agreed. Both like fighting, eating, and doing stuff like patting people's genitals, but this one is more extreme and has no sense of good.

[funrush]

Under normal circumstances, I'd assume the Saiyans would come and pick up the child they sent out not long after sending them. Kakarrot here may have been left on his own for an unusual amount of time due to planet Vegeta blowing up, which could explain why he turned out this way.

Didn't think about it that way, but that makes a lot of sense. Come to think of it, I always got the feeling that even Raditz had kind of forgotten about his brother's existence up until they had the need for another Saiyan. If Radtiz hadn't been one of the survivors, Goku probably never would have had to deal with anything Saiyan at all.

Yeah, I like to think that Raditz didn't even know of his brother's existence until maybe a Freeza soldier told them while overhearing that they need another Saiyan.

[Gyt Kaliba]

And so it begins.

[coola]

Kinda strange, i doubt Vegeta would allow anyone, especially so uncivilized low class warrior, to talk to him in such manner

[Blackstripe]

Is Pan supposed to be 14 in this? Because she doesn't look like it. She looks more around her GT age of 9. She should really be much taller.

[rereboy]

Kinda strange, i doubt Vegeta would allow anyone, especially so uncivilized low class warrior, to talk to him in such manner

Kakarotto is the second strongest saiyan of their group. He's useful. And he probably saved Vegeta's ass on Namek. As long as Kakarotto understands who is top dog I don't see why Vegeta would have a serious problem with Kakarotto. He did say that he is a pain in the ass though so probably he just refrains from killing him over some remarks.

Is Pan supposed to be 14 in this? Because she doesn't look like it. She looks more around her GT age of 9. She should really be much taller.

You mean like when Goku was fourteen?

[Blackstripe]

You mean like when Goku was fourteen?

Except Gokuu was a full blooded Saiyan. Gohan had a more normal rate of growth, so I don't see why his daughter who is even more human wouldn't.

[Attitudefan]

Krillin was short and still is short as hell.

[CaBrPi]

I'd think Pan would be at least a match for Kakarotto considering who her father is... But then I remember the rampant nerfing going on in this series.

[rereboy]

You mean like when Goku was fourteen?

Except Gokuu was a full blooded Saiyan. Gohan had a more normal rate of growth, so I don't see why his daughter who is even more human wouldn't.

So? You think that him being short was just a Saiyan thing? Based on what besides Goku?

Even in real life people have different growth rates. There are tons of 14 year old girls who are similar to the way Pan looks in this manga (underdeveloped) and tons of 14 year old girls who look like 19 year old girls (overdeveloped).

I'd think Pan would be at least a match for Kakarotto considering who her father is... But then I remember the rampant nerfing going on in this series.

Never in the manga was a Saiyan, or a Saiyan descendant,implied to be (or was implied that he/she could be) as strong in their base as another Saiyan or Saiyan descendant in their SSJ1, except with "mystic" power-up or with a fusion.

And Pan was never implied to have gained something thanks the her dad "mystic" power up.

Of course that doesn't make it impossible, just unlikely.

[TonyTheTiger]

Considering I'm of the mindset that the 5 year thing is an outright mistake or oversight (hardly a first for Dragon Ball), a 14 year old Pan looking like her GT counterpart is perfectly valid to me, and in fact preferable.

[CaBrPi]

I'd think Pan would be at least a match for Kakarotto considering who her father is... But then I remember the rampant nerfing going on in this series.

Never in the manga was a Saiyan, or a Saiyan descendant,implied to be (or was implied that he/she could be) as strong in their base as another Saiyan or Saiyan descendant in their SSJ1, except with "mystic" power-up or with a fusion.

And Pan was never implied to have gained something thanks the her dad "mystic" power up.

Of course that doesn't make it impossible, just unlikely.

That's not at all how I interpreted it. We're shown that power is basically inherited, thanks to Trunks and Goten, so it seems logical to me that Pan would take that up to eleven.

Of course, there's so little we actually know about this Kakarotto, it's possible I'm not giving him nearly enough credit.

[Saiga]

That's not at all how I interpreted it. We're shown that power is basically inherited, thanks to Trunks and Goten, so it seems logical to me that Pan would take that up to eleven.

Of course, there's so little we actually know about this Kakarotto, it's possible I'm not giving him nearly enough credit.

Trunks and Goten are so strong/can master Super Saiyan so early because they're tailless hybrids, born without a tail but very impressive power. At least, that's how the guidebooks explain it.

Since Pan can't turn into a Super Saiyan yet, I'm assuming she's not a tailless hybrid and just had hers removed.

[TonyTheTiger]

I really hate a lot of the half assed attempts to explain things in the supplementary materials. It seems like the more they try to give hard information, the more ridiculous it makes the story than had they not said anything at all. I'm content to just figuring that for whatever reason there's some measure of Lamarck's Theory at play in Dragon Ball so the kids are stronger because their parents were and Pan just has a harder time because of the generational gap. I love Dragon Ball to death but it's pretty screwy when "just because" is a better explanation than the "official" ones.

I would like to see Pan transform right here in this fight. Vegeta being all "Don't hurt the girl, Kakarot!" while Kakarot is getting his ass kicked. Then he's all "fuck it" and gives her a KO shot. And then Gohan is all "I told you no brutality. :trollface:"

[rereboy]

I'd think Pan would be at least a match for Kakarotto considering who her father is... But then I remember the rampant nerfing going on in this series.

Never in the manga was a Saiyan, or a Saiyan descendant,implied to be (or was implied that he/she could be) as strong in their base as another Saiyan or Saiyan descendant in their SSJ1, except with "mystic" power-up or with a fusion.

And Pan was never implied to have gained something thanks the her dad "mystic" power up.

Of course that doesn't make it impossible, just unlikely.

That's not at all how I interpreted it. We're shown that power is basically inherited, thanks to Trunks and Goten, so it seems logical to me that Pan would take that up to eleven.

Of course, there's so little we actually know about this Kakarotto, it's possible I'm not giving him nearly enough credit.

I didn't say it was impossible, I said it was unlikely because nothing like that is implied and because Gohan's power up is not natural, its magical, so we have no idea what that means for his offspring.

Therefore, I fail to see how exactly DBM can be criticized on that choice for her base power.

[Tzigi]

You know what? Being a DBM translator and mod gives me access to some nice tools that I can use to search for info in the comments section. So about Pan - powerlevel, SSJ and tail - here:
All of the following comments are written by Salagir, translation fr-en (if needed) by me (sorry in advance for all English mistakes I will undoubtedly make).
fr, page 127
Je ne pense pas qu'etre quart saiyan réduise les chances du SSJ. Et je note que chaque génération est supérieure a la précédente. Si Goten et Trunks sont passés en SSJ comme un rien avant leur 10 ans, Pan peut tres bien le faire a 14, elle qui s'est vraiment entraînée.
I don't think that being 1/4 Saiyan should reduce her possibilities of SSJ. And I note that every generation is superior to the precedent one. If Goten and Trunks became SSJ simply [ie. without much effort] before they attained 10 years of age, Pan can do it easily at 14, she who realy has trained.

en, page 90
No canon source states there is a link between them, but indeed, after everybody goes SSJ, nobody got a tail.
(I don't think as a Tori interview as canon ^^)
Possibles explanations :
- After going SSJ, the tail does not grow back (fan theory, plausible).
- Our Saiyans cut their tail (each time it grew back, or permanently like what Kami did to Goku) in order to live in human society.
I don't think losing the tail in adult age does not permit it to grow back any more, as Vegeta thought his would grow back (said in manga).
I don't think Goten and Trunks were born without tail, I think they were "kami-cut", but as they were born sons of SSJs, it's plausible.
Pan being 1/4, she may have been born with no tail, SSJ father or not.
The "tail gene" is dominant, as all 1/2 saiyans got a tail. If it wasn't, none of them would.
But Pan got 50% chance to get the gene.
Of course Tori never cared about genetics I think

en, page 80
> Michiel : I am sure that Pan isn't stronger then Tenshinhan
You should trust the scenarist when it's about a character's power, that you never saw before, in DBM
Little pan, at 4, did fly around the earth, all alone, easily. No man, she is way stronger than Tenshinan now ^^
(...)
> yo : u r saying pan is stronger than gohan at the same age
She was. Pan, at 4, flying around the earth. Gohan, at 4, running away from dinosaurs in a desert.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Since Pan can't turn into a Super Saiyan yet, I'm assuming she's not a tailless hybrid and just had hers removed.

But Pan isn't hybrid. She is 1/4 Saiyan, not 1/2 Saiyan.