Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[funrush]

I also agree that Cold's strength bothers me. It really doesn't gel with the manga.

It does to me. I like the aspect of Cold not being in his final form while fighting Trunks. I like to think that the reason Cold didn't transform while fighting Trunks was that Cold assumed Trunks wasn't stupid, unlike Freeza to Vegeta and the others, and that if he started a transformation, Trunks would probably kill him right then and there while in the state of vulnerability the transformations probably give. Unfortunately, he wasn't much smarter then his son, and instead of outsmarting Trunks to his death, he decides to rely on his "Sword = Strength" theory, which was his downfall.

Cold admits that Freeza is stronger then him. It just doesn't work.

Even then the sword strategy was clearly desperate, and way stupider than attempting to transform while Freeza was being killed.

When did Cold admit Freeza was stronger than him?

[TonyTheTiger]

Yeah, Cold having further transformations isn't what bothers me. It's his being supremely more powerful than Freeza that does. First, because it makes Freeza look more like a spoiled brat on a joyride than a tyrannical despot and, second, because it makes Cold look like a complete idiot.

[Bussani]

When did Cold admit Freeza was stronger than him?

Well, Freeza does refer to himself as "the strongest in the universe" at least twice in front of Cold, but I suppose that's not the same as Cold admitting it's true...?

[Saiga]

When did Cold admit Freeza was stronger than him?

Cold muses that for someone to defeat Freeza, they would have to be the strongest with the universe. Because Freeza was the strongest before Goku.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

But when Vegeta and company came close to where the spaceship was, they stated that King Cold's ki was even larger than Freeza's.

[Bussani]

But when Vegeta and company came close to where the spaceship was, they stated that King Cold's ki was even larger than Freeza's.

I'm pretty sure they didn't. They say that there are two large ki, but not whose is bigger.

Edit: Oh, there may be a filler line from Vegeta implying that Cold's ki is stronger. Still, even if we ignore the fact that this is filler, we also learn soon from Gohan that Freeza wasn't at full power yet. Plus, Cold's Daizenshuu entry states that he's inferior to Freeza, for whatever that's worth.

[shonenhikada]

The only power related plot point in DBM that bothers me is how powerful King Cold seems to be. Pan being able to get a few nice shots in on Kakarot is hardly an issue.

I agree with you.

1. Freeza is not a universal threat he's just an evil planetary trader who is fodder to any of the supreme kais.

2. South Supreme kai ~ Kid Buu >> Fat Buu

3. Raditz invades earth and goku didn't bump his head story its recent

1. The Kaioshins are simply more active in preventing threats in some universes. In the universes where they stopped Freeza, they also stopped Buu from being born. That didn't happen in the main universe. So, its not Freeza that is different in those universes, its the Kaioshins.

2. Please... Everybody knows that the Buu saga has many problems regarding the interpretations of the power levels. Nothing of the sort is ever confirmed in the manga and multiple interpretations are possible. DBM uses a coherent interpretation for the power levels and that's fine. There are many things wrong in basing your opinion in the anime, btw. One of those is that in the anime it was said (by the narrator I believe) that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu. In the manga that isn't stated at all. It was only implied that he was the most dangerous due to his evil and chaotic nature. As for his power, Goku is more afraid of fighting Super Buu than he is of Kid Buu. That alone shows why we shouldn't go by the anime.

3. I see, so a Tenshinhan from a totally different universe than the main one and a Kakarotto from a totally different universe than the main one, and even though it wasn't shown exactly how the two compare or what happened before that moment, you know exactly how they should compare. Awesome.

1.The kaioshins are active in preventing threats yet freza's family, is not a threat to the universe. If you really think that then how low does this "threat level to the universe" go Should the kaioshins kills captain ginyu and his men next because they could be a threat to the universe ? How about zarbon and dodoria to while were at it surely they could take over Freeza's trading empire when he is gone maybe kill saiyan saga vegeta for good measures lol. The storyline is totally stupid Freeza is an evil planetary trader who invades planets and sells them to other people. He's not a universal threat by any means or standards in fact he thrives on the universe to exist so he can have a business.

2. Both in the manga and anime it is stated that south supreme kai is the strongest kai. I think people should give the anime some slack and at least consider using its fillings for the story where it doesn't contradict the manga. Rather than completely disregard it completely.

3. The alternate universe in the story is simply what would have happened if Goku didn't bump his head as a child. Yamcha, and Tien are actually shown fighting better than Goku and Piccolo against raditz. Yet Tien tri beam only partially destroys Raditz armor while a generic mouth blast from goku completely destroy it. WTF.

[Marco Polo]

We're talking about a King Cold from another universe, one where his family and him are the strongest people in the universe. There's is no contradiction with the manga.

[Saiga]

We're talking about a King Cold from another universe, one where his family and him are the strongest people in the universe. There's is no contradiction with the manga.

Yes there is. Trunks admits that King Cold is stronger than Freeza in the main timeline as well, which contradicts the manga.

[shonenhikada]

We're talking about a King Cold from another universe, one where his family and him are the strongest people in the universe. There's is no contradiction with the manga.

The universe the what if story is based on is a universe where the supreme kais destroyed babidi,buu and decided to take a more active role in destroying all threats to the universe. Freeza and his father are the same as they are in the main timeline, and it is rather silly for the kais to be wasting their time killing off an intergalactic planet trader and his family.

Even in the manga it was stated the kais were aware of freeza yet none of them bothered with him because Freeza is not a threat to the universe. Killing Freeza, and his family is like killing a mid tier predator in an ecosystem.

[Hades]

We're talking about a King Cold from another universe, one where his family and him are the strongest people in the universe. There's is no contradiction with the manga.

The universe the what if story is based on is a universe where the supreme kais destroyed babidi,buu and decided to take a more active role in destroying all threats to the universe. Freeza and his father are the same as they are in the main timeline, and it is rather silly for the kais to be wasting their time killing off an intergalactic planet trader and his family.

Even in the manga it was stated the kais were aware of freeza yet none of them bothered with him because Freeza is not a threat to the universe. Killing Freeza, and his family is like killing a mid tier predator in an ecosystem.

I suppose dodging a bullet with Buu made them extra-cautious, and decided to take them out just to be on the safe side.

[rereboy]

1.The kaioshins are active in preventing threats yet freza's family, is not a threat to the universe. If you really think that then how low does this "threat level to the universe" go Should the kaioshins kills captain ginyu and his men next because they could be a threat to the universe ? How about zarbon and dodoria to while were at it surely they could take over Freeza's trading empire when he is gone maybe kill saiyan saga vegeta for good measures lol. The storyline is totally stupid Freeza is an evil planetary trader who invades planets and sells them to other people. He's not a universal threat by any means or standards in fact he thrives on the universe to exist so he can have a business.

2. Both in the manga and anime it is stated that south supreme kai is the strongest kai. I think people should give the anime some slack and at least consider using its fillings for the story where it doesn't contradict the manga. Rather than completely disregard it completely.

3. The alternate universe in the story is simply what would have happened if Goku didn't bump his head as a child. Yamcha, and Tenshinhan are actually shown fighting better than Goku and Piccolo against raditz. Yet Tenshinhan tri beam only partially destroys Raditz armor while a generic mouth blast from goku completely destroy it. WTF.

1. Like I said, Freeza is the same. The Kaioshins are the ones who are different. In that universe they considered Freeza a threat to the well being of the universe. In the main universe they didn't. Its their criteria that is different in that universe.

2. Yes, it does. So? The problem is how South Kaioshin compares to the other fighters, not how he compares to the other Kaioshins. Thats where the real problems of interpretation start and where multiple interpretations are possible.

3. No, Yamcha is shown to be fighting on the same level or better than Goku did in the main universe. Tenshinhan didn't do anything besides firing his Ki-ko-ho.
We have no idea what happened in that universe and we have no idea how strong Tenshinhan was compared to Yamcha. Based on what we saw, it appears that Yamcha was actually significantly stronger than Tenshinhan and all Tenshinhan could do was fire his Ki-ko-ho to help Yamcha. How that happened? Don't know, it wasn't shown. Perhaps, thanks to Kakarotto's actions and what he changed in that universe, Yamcha trained much harder from early on, but Tenshinhan didn't join the crow school and only started training much later? Also, Kakarotto just seems to be stronger than Goku was in the main universe at that point. And easy explanation would be that he received more zenkais on that universe or that he pushed himself even harder than Goku until that point in order do destroy everyone in the planet.

Basically, if you stop and think for a moment (and read the comic again) you will realize that your criticism is illogical. There are things you can criticize of course (and you would probably be right) but those aren't it.

[goku1234]

[Scarz]

*accidentally kills her*

Well, that was fun. Who fights next?

[Insertclevername]

The bottom panel of Kakarotto looks really good.

[TonyTheTiger]

Wait, so...where exactly did he smack her?

[shonenhikada]

1.The kaioshins are active in preventing threats yet freza's family, is not a threat to the universe. If you really think that then how low does this "threat level to the universe" go Should the kaioshins kills captain ginyu and his men next because they could be a threat to the universe ? How about zarbon and dodoria to while were at it surely they could take over Freeza's trading empire when he is gone maybe kill saiyan saga vegeta for good measures lol. The storyline is totally stupid Freeza is an evil planetary trader who invades planets and sells them to other people. He's not a universal threat by any means or standards in fact he thrives on the universe to exist so he can have a business.

2. Both in the manga and anime it is stated that south supreme kai is the strongest kai. I think people should give the anime some slack and at least consider using its fillings for the story where it doesn't contradict the manga. Rather than completely disregard it completely.

3. The alternate universe in the story is simply what would have happened if Goku didn't bump his head as a child. Yamcha, and Tenshinhan are actually shown fighting better than Goku and Piccolo against raditz. Yet Tenshinhan tri beam only partially destroys Raditz armor while a generic mouth blast from goku completely destroy it. WTF.

1. Like I said, Freeza is the same. The Kaioshins are the ones who are different. In that universe they considered Freeza a threat to the well being of the universe. In the main universe they didn't. Its their criteria that is different in that universe.

2. Yes, it does. So? The problem is how South Kaioshin compares to the other fighters, not how he compares to the other Kaioshins. Thats where the real problems of interpretation start and where multiple interpretations are possible.

3. No, Yamcha is shown to be fighting on the same level or better than Goku did in the main universe. Tenshinhan didn't do anything besides firing his Ki-ko-ho.
We have no idea what happened in that universe and we have no idea how strong Tenshinhan was compared to Yamcha. Based on what we saw, it appears that Yamcha was actually significantly stronger than Tenshinhan and all Tenshinhan could do was fire his Ki-ko-ho to help Yamcha. How that happened? Don't know, it wasn't shown. Perhaps, thanks to Kakarotto's actions and what he changed in that universe, Yamcha trained much harder from early on, but Tenshinhan didn't join the crow school and only started training much later? Also, Kakarotto just seems to be stronger than Goku was in the main universe at that point. And easy explanation would be that he received more zenkais on that universe or that he pushed himself even harder than Goku until that point in order do destroy everyone in the planet.

Basically, if you stop and think for a moment (and read the comic again) you will realize that your criticism is illogical. There are things you can criticize of course (and you would probably be right) but those aren't it.

Basically if you stop and think for a moment why your entire argument doesn't make sense and contradicts one another you wouldn't be defending these bad illogical fan fiction stories. Your obviously going to defend the stories made by these people no matter how bad or how much they contradict the main story line. Perhaps you are a writer on this site, that is why your so adamant to defend them.

1. Already explain why this universe differs from the main storyline.


They are checking on any dangers in the universe. Freeza is a planet trader, his story is not altered in this timeline. Freeza sells planet he's conquered to people, and is hardly a danger in the universe. Since you know he needs planets to keep his business running, and would never go ramapaging and destroy planets like Broly would.

2. Please refer to my original post.

3. We have no idea what happened in that universe and we have no idea how strong Tenshinhan was compared to Yamcha. Based on what we saw, it appears that Yamcha was actually significantly stronger than Tenshinhan and all Tenshinhan could do was fire his Ki-ko-ho to help Yamcha.

The universe is taking part in is a what if storyline where goku didn't knock his head as child and was still evil. Tien power level in relation to Yamcha from the start of the manga would have been stronger, and Tien is known to train more seriously than Yamcha so to say somehow Yamcha surpassed him is kind of presumptuous.

How that happened? Don't know, it wasn't shown. Perhaps, thanks to Kakarotto's actions and what he changed in that universe, Yamcha trained much harder from early on, but Tenshinhan didn't join the crow school and only started training much later? Also, Kakarotto just seems to be stronger than Goku was in the main universe at that point.

Yamcha was a desert bandit and Tien's life was not affected by Goku until the 22nd budokai. The fact that Goku is an adult in the chapter indicates that he didn't leave his home in the mountain until quite recently; maybe a year or two.

And easy explanation would be that he received more zenkais on that universe or that he pushed himself even harder than Goku until that point in order do destroy everyone in the planet.

Except as we all know Goku before hitting his head was an aggressive little brat, who showed no discipline other than to attack people. He would have progressed slower than Son Goku from universe 18 who loved to train and fight, sought out masters to train him, and actively went about trying to get stronger. Saiyans originally don't train or push themselves much as evident that they still all had low battle powers less than 10,000 despite training at 10x earth gravity, access to better combat tech that earth, and have constant exposure to battles on planets where they can get zenkai. Yet none ever come close to Vegeta, while Goku was rivaling King Vegeta within a year time.

[funrush]

Wait, so...where exactly did he smack her?

The chest, probably. Maybe the face. Although it does look like somewhere else from the perspective.

[dprez]

I like how Kakarotto is acting here. He wants Pan to fight as a super saiyan so he can have a good fight.

[Saiga]

Wait, so...where exactly did he smack her?

The jaw, judging by the blood.