Dragonball Z: Saiyan Saga - Help make this happen!

[TripleRach]

Don't mind Pafupafu he is only in this topic to bash this project, has been since the start. Criticism is good whether it's positive or negative, but there's a point to where it just becomes trolling.

But his complaints are legitimate, and there's no rule that says every thread has to be an ultra positive circle jerk.

[Jackal puFF]

Tenshinhan's third eye isn't even centered. It looks pathetic. The release of this is going to be a sad, sad day for K&K. Also, the reason Piccolo is such a dark shade of Green is because they shot majority of this against Green Screen backdrops. Too bad they couldn't afford to get a Blue backdrop...just so unprofessional. If they can't even produce a quality promotional photo, the video will DEFINITELY not look any better.

Ah, that would make sense why they made Piccolo so dark. So far I really don't like the facial expressions of the characters. Just look at their faces. When did they ever make those faces in the show? Tien should have had an angry look. Piccolo has the best one so far.. Still very curious how this will look like on video bad or good.

[Avenged]

But his complaints are legitimate, and there's no rule that says every thread has to be an ultra positive circle jerk.

Criticism is good whether it's positive or negative

He does have a few points here and there but I wouldn't go as far to say all his complaints are legitimate.

The release of this is going to be a sad, sad day for K&K.

Quotes like that just makes he seem very pessimistic about a fan project that is no where close to being an official live action movie. And for the record, there have been some decent promo photos. But I do agree that these green "posters" look bad.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

So what if it's pessimistic? He has a right to be. These guys came in guns blazing with an empty promise that they could do a Dragonball movie better than Hollywood. The film fans want. They made there proposal on an indie funding site with spliced clips from the anime and more then doubled their goal(5,000) within days. From what we know, it doesn't seem like they knew how to handle a project like this or that they've done anything like this before(like they claimed to have). There costume designer bailed, and they blew all their funding without thinking to solve that problem. Five months later after they've finished filming we find out about this and that they can't fix the issue in post. Again, five months later. Now they want an extra 3,500 for re-shooting. For those keeping score that's roughly $20,000 in total. I don't think we as fans are getting our moneys worth and several links in this thread point to people who have don't better work for less. Now I admire their goal but it's fair to say they aren't doing a good job and I think Pafupafu has the right to be negative.

[funrush]

So what if it's pessimistic? He has a right to be. These guys came in guns blazing with an empty promise that they could do a Dragonball movie better than Hollywood. The film fans want. They made there proposal on an idie funding site with spliced clips from the anime and more then doubled their goal(5,000) within days. From what we know, it doesn't seem like they knew how to handle a project like this or that they've done anything like this before(like they claimed to have). There costume designer bailed, and they blew all their funding without thinking to solve that problem. Five months later after they've finished filming we find out about this and that they can't fix the issue in post. Again, five months later. Now they want an extra 3,500 for re-shooting. For those keeping score that's roughly $20,000 in total. I don't think we as fans are getting our moneys worth and several links in this thread point to people who have don't better work for less. Now I admire their goal but it's fair to say they aren't doing a good job and I think Pafupafu has the right to be negative.

Yeah, as Pafupafu said with the bluescreen comment, they really aren't good at managing their money. I hope this project ends up good.

[Avenged]

New photo of Chiaotzu released.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

I just went to check out your site for the picture. It looks exactly like the first one except photoshoped into the "Z" background.

[Avenged]

Yeah they said that's the only front up photo they have of him, which I think is BS...what about all the shots from when they were filming?

[Pafupafu]

Don't mind Pafupafu he is only in this topic to bash this project, has been since the start. Criticism is good whether it's positive or negative, but there's a point to where it just becomes trolling.

But his complaints are legitimate, and there's no rule that says every thread has to be an ultra positive circle jerk.

Thanks for understanding. I have definitely questioned the legality of this project. That topic is morally grey. The quality of this project is not. This is promotional media that K&K has released and I have every right to judge it. And quite frankly, its trash. I am here as a professional and someone who has been a fan of DragonBall for 15+ years. I'm not going to sit back and not comment as a Wedding Video Service cross-markets themselves with a highly-profitable franchise (illegally) to gain funding from the general public and have thus far released nothing substantial in quality. Even better, they asked for MORE money. These guys are dimwits. They have been borderline childish in their defense regarding both the legal and quality issues at hand. There are people who have worked in the industry of filmmaking for years that have honed and perfected their craft. These guys are scam artists with DSLR cameras. They have capitalized on the "OMG live-action DBZ FTW" mentality of the younger fans of the franchise and in turn have been given funding to create something that could have potentially been well-made.

I'm not "bashing", I'm stating facts. If you want to sift through all of my posts in this thread, you'll find that none of my negative comments were without reason or explanation. I will continue to do so. This project is in the wrong hands. The only reason K&K are working on this project is because they scammed their way past IndieGoGo's policies and took advantage of a copyright-protected property which would NEVER be in their hands as professionals anyway.

In also really hurts them that the products they have put out thus far are truly dreadful and badly composed.

[Saimaroimaru]

I am on the side of Pafupafu. While its legality was something to be questioned I wanted to see what production values they had and what I have seen sucks. I am glad I didn't give my money to them. They did prey on people's dissatisfaction with DBE and general love for DB overall. Too bad it wasn't Thousand Pounds who was doing this, they know how to make anime live fight adaptations. In my opinion they swindled the public for money and are trying it again. I really hope they don't meet their funding goals as a lesson.

[Pafupafu]

I would also like to add that these "Posters" are terribly lit and obviously have not been color corrected. I can tell you one thing, it doesn't matter if K&K shot 2,000,000 weddings, that does NOT mean they can light a "film". They are completely different worlds. For $10,000, they could have hired an experienced DP and Gaffer. This is just a shame.

And by the looks of the matte compositing on the Posters around each character, K&K has absolutely no experience in manipulation & effects with Creative Suite 6 (I'm assuming this is what they are using as they are low-budget DSLR videographers).

As this is the field I work in, it really annoys me personally that these guys have essentially bypassed the fundamentals in the process of making a well-executed piece. They have constantly compared themselves to the Mortal Kombat short film made a few years ago. Don't be fooled by this. That film was made by a crew of PROFESSIONALS who actually worked on a professional set before and knew how to light. It is just ridiculous that they are getting away with such fraudulent actions against both copyright protection and the basic fundamentals of film production.

[Avenged]

@ Pafupafu - I am sorry if my view towards your comments has been considered bashing you. I just got blind sided by all your negative comments towards this project. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. On that note I do agree with some of your points, my main concern was the fact that they needed to ask for even more money for the reshoots with the brand new armor that they should have done properly to begin with. However, I am not going to give my full opinion on DBZ Saiyan Saga until I see the final result. For all I know, they will blow us away with this trailer. But in the end, this live action trailer is being made by fans and is only meant for entertainment purposes only. Should they have asked for this much money? Probably not, but I have also seen similar projects (such as the Legend of Zelda movie project) asking for money to bring what they can to life. None of the people had to donate their money, they chose to donate to this project. Hell I've seen more money donated on a video game marathon...on several occasions.

[Pafupafu]

Probably not, but I have also seen similar projects (such as the Legend of Zelda movie project) asking for money to bring what they can to life. None of the people had to donate their money, they chose to donate to this project. Hell I've seen more money donated on a video game marathon...on several occasions.

Just because other projects have gotten away with the "Donation" process, this does not make what K&K is doing any more acceptable. If this "Trailer" comes out and blows everyone's minds, it does not redeem the bad business practices behind its origins. The ends don't justify the means, regardless of quality. BUT, it also is notable to point out that the promotional media that they have produced so far has been lacking SUBSTANTIALLY in quality. When a budget is made public for any project, the product's quality should be reflective of that. The costume/character make-up design is below amateur level quality.

Akira Toriyama is an artist and created DragonBall and deserves to be issued funds related to the brand.
Toei, FUNimation, etc. are all actual businesses that have established themselves with professional products and have paid to create products based on the brand and deserve any funds as a result.
K&K have simply taken the works of those mentioned above and utilized them for private gain. Legal or not, its just bad moral and bad business.

It's insulting to the years of hard work of creative and professional people involved in creating the franchise we know and love that an unknown, un-established duo of amateur wedding videographers have capitalized on the established work of "DragonBall" in order to further their financial position and business, which was never related to the property in any way.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

There was a bit of a math error in my earlier post because I found this again on their IndieGoGo page.

"We need $5000 to add to $5000 of our own money."

They raised roughly 15000 on top of the 5000 of their own money(20,000). And then recently they asked for another 3,500. Those images are not $23,500 worthy.

[Avenged]

Of course they are not, the money was mainly used for the filming locations and to use that place for the wire work to be done at. I read that they didn't even pay the actors, but if they had fun doing this then whatever.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

Of course they are not, the money was mainly used for the filming locations and to use that place for the wire work to be done at. I read that they didn't even pay the actors, but if they had fun doing this then whatever.

I didn't mean literally, but if you had that kind of money(especially when you planned for half) I'm sure they could have found someone whose better at Photoshop. I hope they had fun and learned from this too, that's always a given.

[Pafupafu]

Of course they are not, the money was mainly used for the filming locations and to use that place for the wire work to be done at. I read that they didn't even pay the actors, but if they had fun doing this then whatever.

Filming Locations are usually free if you have the proper state permits so I don't see your point there. Also, since this is not a Union project, any stunt coordinator would have charged less than normal rates if this was properly budgeted. Since there is currently a strike in the Stunt Union against Music Videos and Independent Projects, they would have written off the rates as "kit fees". Kit Fees would include the performers and the equipment, usually roughly $400-600 per day. For a 2-3 minute video, there's no way that could have taken a big chunk out of the enormous budget they had for such a small project. As far as the facility they used for the actual wirework, all you need is a warehouse with metal braced ceilings (most modern warehouses) and a Green Screen fabric (size 10ftx20ft = $200)...so yeah, if your mysterious intel into their spending is correct, it seems these guys are just clueless spenders. If budgeted properly, there would be no reason to not pay actors either.

We're never going to see a budget breakdown or receipts but its clear from the information at hand that they obviously did not do anything properly financially.

The results thus far have reflected that.

[Avenged]

Unlike certain people *cough* I actually pay attention to their twitter updates and info they provide themselves. So yeah it is my "mysterious intel", oh wait...

The money also went towards expenses for the entire cast and crew which includes transportation, lodging and food.

[VegettoEX]

Unlike certain people *cough* I actually pay attention to their twitter updates and info they provide themselves. So yeah it is my "mysterious intel", oh wait...

You seem to want to criticize other people endlessly in this thread, yet all I see you bringing to the table is sarcasm and arrogance over... paying attention...?

[Avenged]

Unlike certain people *cough* I actually pay attention to their twitter updates and info they provide themselves. So yeah it is my "mysterious intel", oh wait...

You seem to want to criticize other people endlessly in this thread, yet all I see you bringing to the table is sarcasm and arrogance over... paying attention...?

Sorry but I am not the only one being sarcastic or arrogant. But hey! Here's some more arrogance for you, I have been providing updates on this project in this thread, not my fault you can't see that. It's ok though, not like you're interested in this fan made movie trailer. Maybe the admin should be contributing to his own threads as well instead of attacking others?