As seen by Trunks - Gohan's SSJ2 transformation.

[Dayspring]

I really do think that Akira Toriyama got lazy around the Cell Games arc, I noticed it right away. I also thought the cell games ended in such an anti-climatic manner, but that is in my opinion after all.

Uhh...can you back any of those opinions with reasons, please?

[Snail]

Lol, well I can't really scan anything so you'd have to take a look at Book numbers 26 and 27, and then compare them to Book numbers 34, and 35. I'm not trying to offend Toriyama-sensei's art, it's just that I guess from my point of view, I thought the the art was more detailed before the Cell games, and I really mean, RIGHT before the cell games started. As for the whole anti-climatic ending of the cell games I guess I just really wanted the cell games to end in a very dramatic way. For example, the Frieza battle had an epic feel to it. The planet was about to perish, Goku transforms into SSJ for the first time, and they continued to battle it out while chaos reigned in the background. Actually, I just took a moment to think about it, now I know why I disliked watching the cell games, and reading it in the manga. One person comes to mind. Mr.Satan.

[ShadowAssailantX]

Actually, I just took a moment to think about it, now I know why I disliked watching the cell games, and reading it in the manga. One person comes to mind. Mr.Satan.

How can you hate this man? He saved the world from Cell!



He's a God among men...

[Bejiita]

I really do think that Akira Toriyama got lazy around the Cell Games arc, I noticed it right away. I also thought the cell games ended in such an anti-climatic manner, but that is in my opinion after all.

Uhh...can you back any of those opinions with reasons, please?

I can't vouch for this, but I would think Toriyama must have been knackered after Cell, he said himself that he wishes he didn't include the spots on Cell's body for his design. It made a great deal of work for him filling in those body spots, he finished every panel first then went back to fill them in.

And also since he was initially planning on finishing up after the Cell story he must have been quite pissed to have to draw more when Toei pushed him for another story, I also think Toei making their own creations(Garlic Jr Saga, Other World Tournament) are favours to Toriyama, it gives him time to make more, but I also think he caught on and figured they only offer to create new storyline in order for him to get in a better mood so he can create the main, money making story. He saw through his little plan and ended completely after Z, and let them make 64 episode of their own doing's to let themselves realise it was finally over.

I'll try to find any pictures from manga after the Cell saga to see if what Snail was saying makes sense, but if I don't seem to find any dodgy art references then what snail is saying must be backed up by himself.

And I disagree with snail about Mr.Satan spoiling the Cell games, I agree the scenes where he is featured with that TV crew can become tedius and boring, especially if you're watching the dub, (not that there's THAT much difference), it's that stupid music they play when it switches to their scene, the dopey gloopy beat with the ticking and glumness you hear in anime like Pokemon or Dexter's Lab, at least it's mostly silent in the original, so as soon as it switches back to the action the dramatic music plays again.

Satan is a major character, his insolence and idiocy is what makes people respect him more as a character during the later episodes when he finally switches on(well kind of) and starts acting properly. He is actually a decent person deep down. If Piccolo can find it in his heart to accept him, you should, shouldn't you?

[Snail]

Haha, I guess Mr.Satan just really got under my skin, he was an irritating character. But as the series progressed, I learned to accept him, and after all, thanks to him Goku was able to collect Ki for the Genki-Dama . Aw man, I don't have a scanner, so I can't provide any good evidence, I guess it's just all in my opinion, and point of view, let's not over-analyze it. And I thought some more about why I didn't like the ending to the Cell games, maybe I was hoping for a much more chaotic setting? I am not sure. In any case, I just found the Cell games to be less satisfying, because of all of the hype, suspense, and tension that was being built upon before the Cell games started, I believe it made me desire for a much better ending. All in all, I thought the Cell Games had a lot more potential.

By the way Beijita, how's the manga coming along?