The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Saiga]

Even then, to give rise to something like Ledgic you'd think his race would be notable but no explanation is given at all.

But we have never been given any detail about Freeza's "race" at all. The same goes for Zarbon or the Ginyu Tokusentai. And we shouldn't, since the idea of Freeza belonding to an entire all-powerful species is a misunderstand.

As far the manga goes, Ginyu briefly mention that the Ginyu Tokusentai are genetic mutations, and presumably the same goes for Freeza. Toriyama also called Freeza a mutant once, and in a interview he was asked about Freeza's race, which he answered they are more like hybrids or something, so there aren't many of them.

...yeah, I know all of this. But just being a mutant doesn't account for Ledgic being so powerful out of a race of apparent nobodies.

[Fox666]

But the same doesn't go for Ginyu Tokusentai?

[Saiga]

But the same doesn't go for Ginyu Tokusentai?

No, because they are nowhere near Ledgic's strength.

[FNF]

This is all a bit silly. Toei pulled ledgic etc out of their asses just like AT did with Freeza or Boo.
There is no difference between them and Boo as far as 'random space aliens' go.

[hleV]

Freeza was the strongest being in the universe.
Cell was an android who was designed specifically to be that strong.
Boo was a magical being.
There's also Dabra but he's a Makaioshin.

This all works pretty well.

Now GT threw in some aliens who are randomly stronger than at least one of the main villains of the original. Okay, you can justify Baby to an extent... as he wasn't physically too strong, and relied on possessing others.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, there's just a TIIIINY bit of a narrative difference between people who are actually hyped-up with in-universe backgrounds as incredibly strong, and someone abnormally strong just appearing out of nowhere. Make no mistake, there's nothing really wrong with "someone abnormally strong appearing out of nowhere" and it can serve as an interesting plot device. But there was no such usage for Redgic. He just appeared, gave Goku a good fight, and then disappeared.

Anyway, let's try to move on from it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

There's also Dabra but he's a Makaioshin.

Never stated. Never confirmed. Never even hinted. All we know is that he was the king of the Demon World.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

There's also Dabra but he's a Makaioshin.

Never stated. Never confirmed. Never even hinted. All we know is that he was the king of the Demon World.

That contradicts to what you've said about him. It fits his description that he's a Makaio.

[Fox666]

But the same doesn't go for Ginyu Tokusentai?

No, because they are nowhere near Ledgic's strength.

I don't really see why just because someone may be stronger than even Boo makes it anything but a mutant.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

There's also Dabra but he's a Makaioshin.

Never stated. Never confirmed. Never even hinted. All we know is that he was the king of the Demon World.

That contradicts to what you've said about him. It fits his description that he's a Makaio.

It was never stated that the King of the Demon World is a Makaio or a Makaioshin. What we know about Dabra is that he is a Demon.

[Fox666]

In fact all information ever provided about the Makaioshin is a very short and vague mention in the origins of the Kaios.

[hleV]

The bottom half is the Demon Realm, where magic has more sway than science, and where the evil Makaio and Makaioshin are gods.

If the Demon Realm doesn't only consist of Makaios and Makaioshins, then I guess Dabra doesn't necessarily have to be one of them. Just the ruler of and the strongest in the Demon Realm.

[Fox666]

Has Darbra ever been called a "god"?

[Insertclevername]

I just assumed Dabra was just a really strong guy and he happened to be king in the Demon realm, possibly by heritage. He could be the Freeza of that universe, with the Makaios and Makaioshins looming over him in strength.

[hleV]

I just assumed Dabra was just a really strong guy and he happened to be king in the Demon realm, possibly by heritage. He could be the Freeza of that universe, with the Makaios and Makaioshins looming over him in strength.

But Dabra was said to be the strongest in the Demon Realm.

[Insertclevername]

I just assumed Dabra was just a really strong guy and he happened to be king in the Demon realm, possibly by heritage. He could be the Freeza of that universe, with the Makaios and Makaioshins looming over him in strength.

But Dabra was said to be the strongest in the Demon Realm.

Yeah, he that's still correct, but the Kaios and Kaioshin aren't technically in the same realm as Gokuu and the others. The Makaios and Makaioshins could be the Heaven/Hell of the Demon realm and not technically be in the same "realm" per say.

[mysticboy]

SSJ2 Adult Gohan & SSJ2 Future Trunks (both trained for 7 years) vs. SSJ2 Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku (both in the Buu Saga)

Gohan soloes.

I doubt he really can solo them.

[Insertclevername]

SSJ2 Adult Gohan & SSJ2 Future Trunks (both trained for 7 years) vs. SSJ2 Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku (both in the Buu Saga)

As much as it pains me to say it considering both Gohan and Trunks are two of my favorite characters, Gokuu and Vegeta would win this out of pure skill and experience. Thats not to say that Gohan or Trunks would be rusty after the training, its that Gokuu and Vegeta are just natural born fighters. However, I'd say the fight would be close.

[Saiga]

SSJ2 Adult Gohan & SSJ2 Future Trunks (both trained for 7 years) vs. SSJ2 Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku (both in the Buu Saga)

Gohan soloes.

I doubt he really can solo them.

I don't. I think the gap between Gohan and the others would have only increased over time and he'd absolutely crush them with ease.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

The most Vegeta would be able to do is take Trunks down, but Gohan would pulverize him pretty quickly. Goku would put up a much better fight than Vegeta considering he's more powerful, but it's not enough to make much of a difference against Gohan here. I think a therotically trained Super Saiyan 2 Gohan would be well beyond either Vegeta or Goku.