Vegito on Namek

[hleV]

Vegetto never struggled in the manga, but he also went Super Saiyan right away, which some people think means he needed Super Saiyan to be stronger than Buu. As you'd expect, others disagree.

I'll add that Vegetto going SSJ from the very start means nothing, as later he admits being surprised at his own power and how helpless Boo is against him.

[Saiga]

Vegetto never struggled in the manga, but he also went Super Saiyan right away, which some people think means he needed Super Saiyan to be stronger than Buu. As you'd expect, others disagree.

I'll add that Vegetto going SSJ from the very start means nothing, as later he admits being surprised at his own power and how helpless Boo is against him.

That doesn't mean he didn't need SS1, so no it doesn't mean nothing that he used it off the bat. There's a 50x gap between base and SS1 after all.

[Rocketman]

Transformations are beneath Vegetto. He appears to become Super Saiyan because it is the only way we can rationalize his glory.

[hleV]

I'll add that Vegetto going SSJ from the very start means nothing, as later he admits being surprised at his own power and how helpless Boo is against him.

That doesn't mean he didn't need SS1, so no it doesn't mean nothing that he used it off the bat. There's a 50x gap between base and SS1 after all.

It means that he didn't know if he needed SSJ or not. He just became one, probably because Elder Kaioshin told him to go SSJ after fusing if he wanted. If he knew that he needed to go SSJ, then he wouldn't have been surprised at how much stronger than Boo he is because he knows how SSJ works.

[Saiga]

I'll add that Vegetto going SSJ from the very start means nothing, as later he admits being surprised at his own power and how helpless Boo is against him.

That doesn't mean he didn't need SS1, so no it doesn't mean nothing that he used it off the bat. There's a 50x gap between base and SS1 after all.

It means that he didn't know if he needed SSJ or not. He just became one, probably because Elder Kaioshin told him to go SSJ after fusing if he wanted. If he knew that he needed to go SSJ, then he wouldn't have been surprised at how much stronger than Boo he is because he knows how SSJ works.

No, he could still be surprised at how strong he was and still know he needed SS1. It's such a huge gap. To put it in numbers, if Gohan-Boo was a 100, then Super Vegetto could have expected to be a 200 and ending up being 1000. He'd be ridiculously more powerful than Gohan-Boo but still not stronger than base form.

[hleV]

So you say that Vegetto knew of his base power and Boo's power, but didn't know that by multiplying his power 50 times he would become so much stronger than Boo? To me this theory appears very unlikely. No, impossible.

[Saiga]

So you say that Vegetto knew of his base power and Boo's power, but didn't know that by multiplying his power 50 times he would become so much stronger than Boo? To me this theory appears very unlikely. No, impossible.

I didn't say that.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Well, since Gokuu and Vegeta aren’t quite the “perfect rivals” they’d eventually become in the Boo arc (since Gokuu’s still quite a bit stronger than Vegeta, if the former was able to fight evenly with Freeza while the latter was effortlessly humiliated and beaten…and they only became rivals until after Gokuu became a Super Saiyan), I don’t think it’d be an exact “Gokuu X Vegeta” multiplier (not that it’d have to be anyway). He'd still be ridiculously strong, though.

So I think that, after defeating Freeza, returning to Earth, and wishing everyone back to life, Vegetto would get bored and travel back into space to fight new opponents. He’d eventually reach Super Saiyan 1 and 2, and find Yardrat and learn Shunkan-Idou, and maybe any other special techniques that they may have (which Gokuu might’ve implied when he said “I didn’t have much time, so I could only learn one technique”).

Basically, the story would be boring as fuck because Vegetto would be so overpowered that almost no-one in the universe would be his match. Although, perhaps it would be a nice story arc to explain how this would negatively affect Vegetto’s mental state, as he continuously finds increasingly dangerous ways to cure his boredom. Maybe he’ll beat Gohan silly in a drastic attempt to draw out all of his dormant power, while repeatedly fucking Blooma, Chi-Chi, Piccolo and whoever else isn’t a Saiyan or Earthling in ridiculously massive orgies, in order to create multiple Saiyan-Earthling-Whateverthefuck Hybrids with extraordinary power to fight. Perhaps he’d even go on universe-wide raping sprees for even more super-strong hybrid offspring to battle.

Christ, that’d be horrible. And yet, hilarious at the same time.

[Kaboom]

"Vegetto: The Legendary Space-Pimp."

[Gyt Kaliba]

Although, perhaps it would be a nice story arc to explain how this would negatively affect Vegetto’s mental state, as he continuously finds increasingly dangerous ways to cure his boredom. Maybe he’ll beat Gohan silly in a drastic attempt to draw out all of his dormant power, while repeatedly fucking Blooma, Chi-Chi, Piccolo and whoever else isn’t a Saiyan or Earthling in ridiculously massive orgies, in order to create multiple Saiyan-Earthling-Whateverthefuck Hybrids with extraordinary power to fight. Perhaps he’d even go on universe-wide raping sprees for even more super-strong hybrid offspring to battle.

Christ, that’d be horrible. And yet, hilarious at the same time.

I heard the Benny Hill theme while I read this. It was oddly fitting.

[Piccolo Daimao]

"Vegetto: The Legendary Space-Pimp."

Rocketman or Scarz, you can make it any time. Or maybe you could collaborate!

[Xyex]

I'll add that Vegetto going SSJ from the very start means nothing, as later he admits being surprised at his own power and how helpless Boo is against him.

That doesn't mean he didn't need SS1, so no it doesn't mean nothing that he used it off the bat. There's a 50x gap between base and SS1 after all.

It means that he didn't know if he needed SSJ or not. He just became one, probably because Elder Kaioshin told him to go SSJ after fusing if he wanted. If he knew that he needed to go SSJ, then he wouldn't have been surprised at how much stronger than Boo he is because he knows how SSJ works.

Just becuase he knows how SSJ works, and what his base level is and what Buu's maximum is, doesn't mean he can't still be surprised at how much stronger he is over Buu. As I see it, the statement only implies that the potara fusion produces a more powerful warrior than the Goku half of Vegetto expected, based on his knowledge of the dance fusion. If Super Buu is 100 Goku may have expected him and Vegeta fused, and at SSJ, to be 150 but SSJ Vegetto turned out to be 600, thus the shock.

[hleV]

Just becuase he knows how SSJ works, and what his base level is and what Buu's maximum is, doesn't mean he can't still be surprised at how much stronger he is over Buu.

Vegetto was surprised at how he made Boo look like a fool compared to him. Meaning that Vegetto didn't expect to be owning Boo so easily. Meaning that he didn't realize the full extents of his power from the very start.

As I see it, the statement only implies that the potara fusion produces a more powerful warrior than the Goku half of Vegetto expected, based on his knowledge of the dance fusion.

Which statement?

If Super Buu is 100 Goku may have expected him and Vegeta fused, and at SSJ, to be 150 but SSJ Vegetto turned out to be 600, thus the shock.

If Vegetto knew of his base power, then he would've known his SSJ power.

[Hitiro]

Just becuase he knows how SSJ works, and what his base level is and what Buu's maximum is, doesn't mean he can't still be surprised at how much stronger he is over Buu.

Vegetto was surprised at how he made Boo look like a fool compared to him. Meaning that Vegetto didn't expect to be owning Boo so easily. Meaning that he didn't realize the full extents of his power from the very start.

As I see it, the statement only implies that the potara fusion produces a more powerful warrior than the Goku half of Vegetto expected, based on his knowledge of the dance fusion.

Which statement?

If Super Buu is 100 Goku may have expected him and Vegeta fused, and at SSJ, to be 150 but SSJ Vegetto turned out to be 600, thus the shock.

If Vegetto knew of his base power, then he would've known his SSJ power.

Or, my theory, Vegetto realised that Buuhan was more powerful than him(But was unsure how much stronger he was.) And decided to go SSJ to try and remove the gap. After turning SSJ he knew that he was more powerful than Buuhan but still couldn't judge by how much. Throughout the story we see characters trying to gauge their opponents strength, all the characters that can sense ki understand whether someone is outputting their maximum power or if they are holding back but they never understand what their opponents maximum power is until they release it. Likewise characters seem to understand whether an opponent is stronger than them but not by how much. Sensing ki isn't as accurate as a scouter but we know that sensing ki is more reliable because scouters can be fooled by the suppression of ones ki, however, a person who can sense ki knows if someone is suppressing their ki. So to summarise Vegetto is only able to gauge if someone is stronger than him or not but can't accurately judge the exact distance between their respective powers. We also see that the characters understand that a certain opponent is around about the same level as some other opponent. E.g. Dabura > Super Perfect Cell. But they never indicate how much stronger a person is, they always say stuff like "He's 'about' Cell's level in power" or "He's stronger than Gohan's level from the Cell Games." Their estimations are always vague in comparison to the beginning when scouters were used by the bad guys.