Episode of Bardock was apparently dubbed in English.

[penguintruth]

Or at the most, Mr. Satan.

So, a character who seems really pathetic and pointless at first, but then turns out to be one of the most unexpectedly important characters in the franchise? Isn't that pretty close to what they are already doing?

Well played.

(It's still dumb, though.)

[kei17]

I can't agree with penguintruth more on this. Bardock's story is special because he is not that special as a Saiyan warrior. I'm touched by his courage and lonely rebellion because he is a normal Saiyan who is neither especially strong nor famous like Goku originally was. Making him special by becoming a super Saiyan without effort messes up the moving story of his death just like FUNi's atrocious script, and it means that Goku is strong because of his elite blood, not his effort.

[Saiga]

I can't agree with penguintruth more on this. Bardock's story is special because he is not that special as a Saiyan warrior. I'm touched by his courage and lonely rebellion because he is a normal Saiyan who is neither especially strong nor famous like Goku originally was. Making him special by becoming a super Saiyan without effort messes up the moving story of his death just like FUNi's atrocious script, and it means that Goku is strong because of his elite blood, not his effort.

10,000 PL is still pretty damn strong. And Goku was definitely not strong because of his blood, he was still born a weakling and had to work really hard to get as strong as he was.

[Kingdom Heartless]

I completely agree that having Bardock transform undermines a lot of what makes Bardock cool. His was a story best left as was.

Even worse than that, I feel, was having him survive in the past. It's like bringing Future Gohan back to life. So little of the death in the series has meaning upon repeat viewings, there's no need to retcon the ones that do.

[kei17]

I can't agree with penguintruth more on this. Bardock's story is special because he is not that special as a Saiyan warrior. I'm touched by his courage and lonely rebellion because he is a normal Saiyan who is neither especially strong nor famous like Goku originally was. Making him special by becoming a super Saiyan without effort messes up the moving story of his death just like FUNi's atrocious script, and it means that Goku is strong because of his elite blood, not his effort.

10,000 PL is still pretty damn strong. And Goku was definitely not strong because of his blood, he was still born a weakling and had to work really hard to get as strong as he was.

That's why I added "especially" to the sentence. He IS strong, but nowhere near as strong as adult Goku or even Freeza's henchmen. (To be exact, the doctor says his power level is close to 10,000, by the way.) Also, I'm not saying that Bardock's superiority means that Goku is originally strong because of his blood. I don't like it because it suggests that Goku could get strong and become a super Saiyan because of his blood inherited from his father, who too was a legendary warrior. Goku's prominent strength as a Saiyan must be associated only with his personality and effort.

[Gaffer Tape]

I think it's fair to say that Bardock is being treated as the Boba Fett of Dragon Ball. By trying to make him more special than he is, you diminish what *did* make him special in the first place.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I think it's fair to say that Bardock is being treated as the Boba Fett of Dragon Ball. By trying to make him more special than he is, you diminish what *did* make him special in the first place.

Exactly. His significance came from the fact that his inferiority was what emphasized how strong Freeza was and his prayer for Goku to stop him was what set up Goku's ultimate destiny... now that hes the first supersayian... it just makes Goku look like the Anti-Freeza police of redundance. This whole idea of it just being a lineage set takes away the importance in Goku achieving the once mythical form on his own... now it just made Freeza's life seemed doomed inevitably.

[Kamiccolo9]

I think it's fair to say that Bardock is being treated as the Boba Fett of Dragon Ball. By trying to make him more special than he is, you diminish what *did* make him special in the first place.

Exactly. His significance came from the fact that his inferiority was what emphasized how strong Freeza was and his prayer for Goku to stop him was what set up Goku's ultimate destiny... now that hes the first supersayian... it just makes Goku look like the Anti-Freeza police of redundance. This whole idea of it just being a lineage set takes away the importance in Goku achieving the once mythical form on his own... now it just made Freeza's life seemed doomed inevitably.

Why do you keep necroposting in 2, 3, 4-year old threads? You'd be better off making new topics.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

I think it's fair to say that Bardock is being treated as the Boba Fett of Dragon Ball. By trying to make him more special than he is, you diminish what *did* make him special in the first place.

Exactly. His significance came from the fact that his inferiority was what emphasized how strong Freeza was and his prayer for Goku to stop him was what set up Goku's ultimate destiny... now that hes the first supersayian... it just makes Goku look like the Anti-Freeza police of redundance. This whole idea of it just being a lineage set takes away the importance in Goku achieving the once mythical form on his own... now it just made Freeza's life seemed doomed inevitably.

Why do you keep necroposting in 2, 3, 4-year old threads? You'd be better off making new topics.

They were topics I wanted to post in before I had an account activated; and on most other forums making new threads on already existing topics is the taboo. I also didnt know these were that old.

[Li'l Lemmy]

The forum rules state very clearly that creating a new thread is preferential to responding to an inactive topic. You may want to reread them more closely to give yourself a better understanding of how the Kanzenshuu forum differs from others you may have visited. ^_^

The same would apply for not knowing how old a topic is, in that observation is key. The time and date of submission is included with each post, so always be sure to visually scan your eyeballs over the post header of the last reply before posting! O_O

I think we're done here!


~Da Lemmy