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Garlic junior transformed (Garlic Junior Saga) Vs. Second or Third Form Frieza.
Pan Vs. Everyone from Saiyan saga and Frieza saga. how far does she get?
Spopovitch Vs. Raditz
Lord Slug (Young) Vs. First Form Frieza
Turles Vs. Ginyu or First Form Frieza
Pan Vs. Everyone from Saiyan saga and Frieza saga. how far does she get?
Spopovitch Vs. Raditz
Lord Slug (Young) Vs. First Form Frieza
Turles Vs. Ginyu or First Form Frieza
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I don't remember much of the Garlic Junior saga, but I'd have to say he couldn't defeat 2nd form Freeza.Strife1 wrote:Garlic junior transformed (Garlic Junior Saga) Vs. Second or Third Form Freeza.
Pan Vs. Everyone from Saiyan saga and Freeza saga. how far does she get?
Spopovitch Vs. Raditz
Lord Slug (Young) Vs. First Form Freeza
Tullece Vs. Ginyu or First Form Freeza
Which Pan is this, EoZ or GT? I'd say that EoZ Pan beats everyone up to Freeza's final form who she loses to, and GT Pan defeats everyone.
Slug takes him easily. Pretty sure he was said to be stronger than Freeza in some promotional material for the movie.
Tullece defeats Ginyu after the fruit from the Tree of Might, but might lose to Freeza. He's strong enough to manhandle KK10 Goku who was at 300,000+
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Garlic Jr. was able to fight post-Freeza-Saga Piccolo and keep up pretty wall without abusing the whole "can't die" thing, wasn't he? That'd put him at least even with 2nd-form Freeza, if not stronger.
I don't think little tiny 3-year-old Pan from the end of DBZ would be strong enough to handle somebody in the millions, at least not at the age we saw her. Sure, she'll probably be just like Goten and Trunks later in life and become absurdly stronger by the time she's 7 or so (maybe even more so, if she inherited any of Gohan's "ultimate power without transforming" boost somehow), but THAT young? I don't think she's quite that powerful just yet.
She could be strong enough to beat up anyone short of first-form Freeza, though. Maybe even everyone short of second-form Freeza... I can't see her being any stronger than that at that age, though, and even the upper hundred-thousands/lower millions range seems strangely high for such a tiny kid who's had no real training. Again, unless she inherited Gohan's power-up, then pretty much anything goes as far as how high her power might be at any given point.
Spopovich vs. Raditz is a weird one. I guess it depends on whether or not Spopovich is actually decently powerful or not... I mean, he was apparently holding back a lot on Videl (the one time he used a ki blast, it was commented on as being really weak, and I'm pretty sure they implied he was holding it WAY back to keep from actually killing anybody) despite the whole neck-breaking thing, and even then he ended up beating the crap out of her once he got going. And I'm sure Videl's not amazingly strong in DBZ terms, but she's definitely tougher than an ordinary power-level-5 human at least.
I guess it depends on just how much Spopovich had to hold back against Videl. If he's only in the low hundreds or something relatively wimpy like that, Raditz would flatten him with little effort... but if he's closer to 1000 then it might be a real fight, especially considering the "can survive injuries that would normally be fatal" effect he seems to get from Babidi's spell.
I don't think little tiny 3-year-old Pan from the end of DBZ would be strong enough to handle somebody in the millions, at least not at the age we saw her. Sure, she'll probably be just like Goten and Trunks later in life and become absurdly stronger by the time she's 7 or so (maybe even more so, if she inherited any of Gohan's "ultimate power without transforming" boost somehow), but THAT young? I don't think she's quite that powerful just yet.
She could be strong enough to beat up anyone short of first-form Freeza, though. Maybe even everyone short of second-form Freeza... I can't see her being any stronger than that at that age, though, and even the upper hundred-thousands/lower millions range seems strangely high for such a tiny kid who's had no real training. Again, unless she inherited Gohan's power-up, then pretty much anything goes as far as how high her power might be at any given point.
Spopovich vs. Raditz is a weird one. I guess it depends on whether or not Spopovich is actually decently powerful or not... I mean, he was apparently holding back a lot on Videl (the one time he used a ki blast, it was commented on as being really weak, and I'm pretty sure they implied he was holding it WAY back to keep from actually killing anybody) despite the whole neck-breaking thing, and even then he ended up beating the crap out of her once he got going. And I'm sure Videl's not amazingly strong in DBZ terms, but she's definitely tougher than an ordinary power-level-5 human at least.
I guess it depends on just how much Spopovich had to hold back against Videl. If he's only in the low hundreds or something relatively wimpy like that, Raditz would flatten him with little effort... but if he's closer to 1000 then it might be a real fight, especially considering the "can survive injuries that would normally be fatal" effect he seems to get from Babidi's spell.
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Freeza wasn't using his full power in his second form when he was losing to Piccolo, after he powered up he quickly turned the tables on him. Sure Piccolo was weighted at the time, but I don't think the weights would make any difference at this stage.Pantalones wrote:Garlic Jr. was able to fight post-Freeza-Saga Piccolo and keep up pretty wall without abusing the whole "can't die" thing, wasn't he? That'd put him at least even with 2nd-form Freeza, if not stronger.
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Hard to tell since I haven't managed to actually watch the Garlic Junior arc in, like, ever. But I seem to recall Piccolo being a match for transformed Garlic, but I'm not sure. If that's the general level Garlic's on, then immortality aside he'd probably lose to 3rd-Form Freeza.Strife1 wrote:Garlic junior transformed (Garlic Junior Saga) Vs. Second or Third Form Freeza.
I'll assume you mean li'l 4 year old Pan at the end of the manga. Another tough one, since we never got a real measure of or quote on her power beyond "very promising." At the very minimum, I'm willing to bet Pan has more power than anyone in the Saiyan arc (it's pretty darn funny to imagine her effortlessly schooling Nappa), but once she's up against the Ginyu Force she'd be in trouble.Pan Vs. Everyone from Saiyan saga and Freeza saga. how far does she get?
Practically impossible to tell for sure. Despite her flight and some very low-level ki usage, Videl was still barely above the level of a regular human. There's a HUUUUGE gap between a regular human and Raditz. All kinds of beasts like Tao Pai Pai, Muten Roshi, King Piccolo, and the like fall between those two power standards. Who knows where in that gap Spopovich truly falls?Spopovitch Vs. Raditz
I actually consider them movie-to-series equivalents to each other in exactly these states. So they'd likewise be even in power, but Slug's extra Namekian abilities would most likely grant him the win.Lord Slug (Young) Vs. First Form Freeza
Before eating the Fruit of Might, Tullece was getting pushed back by Goku, who he scanned with a power level of "30,000 and rising." So I'd bet he'd be somewhere in the 40,000-50,000 range at best. Thus he could take on Recoome, Jheese, or Butta, but he'd definitely lose to Captain Ginyu.Tullece Vs. Ginyu or First Form Freeza
AFTER eating the Fruit of Might, however, Tullece easily smacked down that same Goku... who was now using the Kaio-Ken x10. Meaning he's likely in the 500,000 or so range now, right up there with Freeza. He'd obviously smoke Ginyu with next to zero effort, and his battle against 1st-Form Freeza could go either way.
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Garlic junior transformed (Garlic Junior Saga) Vs. Second or Third Form Freeza.
Garlic puts up a good fight against 2nd Form Freeza and loses to 3rd.
Pan Vs. Everyone from Saiyan saga and Freeza saga. how far does she get?
EoZ: Pan loses to 2nd Form Freeza. GT: Pan beats everyone.
Spopovitch Vs. Raditz
Raditz decimates Spopovich.
Lord Slug (Young) Vs. First Form Freeza
Slug, as a giant, had a gaping hole put in him by Goku, who I assume was his Namek Saga self and was using the regular Kaioken, so non-giant slug loses to Freeza easily.
Tullece Vs. Ginyu or First Form Freeza
After eating the fruit, I'd peg Turles around First Form Freeza, so he beats Ginyu. The latter is a tossup.
Future SSJ Vegeta vs SSJ Goku (Freeza Saga): Who wins this fight?
Garlic puts up a good fight against 2nd Form Freeza and loses to 3rd.
Pan Vs. Everyone from Saiyan saga and Freeza saga. how far does she get?
EoZ: Pan loses to 2nd Form Freeza. GT: Pan beats everyone.
Spopovitch Vs. Raditz
Raditz decimates Spopovich.
Lord Slug (Young) Vs. First Form Freeza
Slug, as a giant, had a gaping hole put in him by Goku, who I assume was his Namek Saga self and was using the regular Kaioken, so non-giant slug loses to Freeza easily.
Tullece Vs. Ginyu or First Form Freeza
After eating the fruit, I'd peg Turles around First Form Freeza, so he beats Ginyu. The latter is a tossup.
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Hard to tell, since we never had a chance to actually see Future Vegeta in action. But with that, he was most likely training hard from the time he arrived on earth to when the Androids arrived. When considering that, and the fact that he'd have better control over Super Saiyan than a freshly transformed Goku, I'd give him an edge over Goku here....and the win.
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Freeza looks at him, opens his eyes a little wider, and Garlic Jr. blows up into nothingness.Garlic junior transformed (Garlic Junior Saga) Vs. Second or Third Form Freeza.
Raditz destroys him with a simple and small ki blast, then walks away as if Spopovich was never even there.Spopovitch Vs. Raditz
I'd say it's safe to assume Slug is more powerful, but definitely nowhere near Freeza's true power.Lord Slug (Young) Vs. First Form Freeza
Tullece is nothing to them. Maybe in time and with the help of the godly fruits, but not at the point when we first see him. I believe that he couldn't abuse the fruits either, because he'd die, just like abusing Kaioken could have killed Goku.Tullece Vs. Ginyu or First Form Freeza
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Piccolo(EOZ) vs Pikkon
Would Piccolo be around SSJ Goku Cell saga by then. If so he has a chance.
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Paikuhan wrecked Cell.
Paikuhan wrecks Piccolo.
Paikuhan wrecks Piccolo.
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If Piccolo decided to really ramp up his training efforts after being so useless against Majin Boo, I could see him stronger than Super Perfect Cell after 10 years. The mean green beatdown machine has always been shown to gain power incredibly fast when he buckles down and trains hard.
But of course, Paikuhan would be gaining strength for all that time too. So at best I could see Piccolo giving his high-powered impostor a really good fight, but ultimately being unable to win.
But of course, Paikuhan would be gaining strength for all that time too. So at best I could see Piccolo giving his high-powered impostor a really good fight, but ultimately being unable to win.
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How about Pikkon when he first fought Goku. Would Piccolo stand a chance. I have him around MSSJ Goku. Though he is faster.
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Pikkon > Post Cell Games MSSJ Goku
Mid Cell Games MSSJ Goku >>> Piccolo
Pikkon continuously trains in other world where as Piccolo just trains to maintain his strength at this point. So Pikkon stomps. Oh BTW Please dont use Pikkon schooling Cell as proof. Cell was clearly heavily restraining his power otherwise Pikkon would be stronger than Mid Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan and we all know that's BS. Plus this is filler here and we all know how accurate filler is
Mid Cell Games MSSJ Goku >>> Piccolo
Pikkon continuously trains in other world where as Piccolo just trains to maintain his strength at this point. So Pikkon stomps. Oh BTW Please dont use Pikkon schooling Cell as proof. Cell was clearly heavily restraining his power otherwise Pikkon would be stronger than Mid Cell Games SSJ2 Gohan and we all know that's BS. Plus this is filler here and we all know how accurate filler is
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Paikuhan wrecked Cell, and then highly struggled against the guy who shit his pants against the same guy he had just wrecked. That's not inconsistent, by the way.
So, Piccolo is fighting someone who is probably somewhat stronger than MSSJ Goku, meaning Piccolo still loses pretty badly.
So, Piccolo is fighting someone who is probably somewhat stronger than MSSJ Goku, meaning Piccolo still loses pretty badly.
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Bojack vs Dabra
Hatchiyak vs Dabra
Janemba vs Hildegarn
Hatchiyak vs Dabra
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I think Bojack would have no trouble defeating Dabra in a straight up bout. He's stronger than Kid Gohan, who's most likely strong enough to handle Dabra on his own. You still have to factor in Dabra's spit, since Bojack wouldn't be aware of its capabilities. I think that'd be his only chance at winning.
Hatchiyack is around Broly's power, if not stronger....and had absolutely no trouble pwning Super Saiyan Kid Gohan. I think Gohan's as strong as he was at the Cell Games in that battle, so yeah, same as above.
Janemba was stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, and required fusion to be defeated. However, I always saw Janemba being as strong as normal Super Boo, and since Gohan was no match for the evil statue monster, Janemba wouldn't be able to do anything, either.
Hatchiyack is around Broly's power, if not stronger....and had absolutely no trouble pwning Super Saiyan Kid Gohan. I think Gohan's as strong as he was at the Cell Games in that battle, so yeah, same as above.
Janemba was stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, and required fusion to be defeated. However, I always saw Janemba being as strong as normal Super Boo, and since Gohan was no match for the evil statue monster, Janemba wouldn't be able to do anything, either.
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Bojack vs Dabra
When transformed, Bojack would have a pretty clear advantage over Dabra in raw power. But if Dabra goes all out with the magic tricks, he could give Bojack some real trouble. If one of Dabra's magic loogies lands on Bojack, he won't be able to do anything about it.
Hatchiyak vs Dabra
I'm not very well-versed on Hatchiyak, but I know he's in that same general Cell-tier group of enemies, so I'll assume it'd be more or less the same situation as with Bojack.
Janemba vs Hildegarn
They have similar special abilities, but Hildegarn has a big advantage in power.
When transformed, Bojack would have a pretty clear advantage over Dabra in raw power. But if Dabra goes all out with the magic tricks, he could give Bojack some real trouble. If one of Dabra's magic loogies lands on Bojack, he won't be able to do anything about it.
Hatchiyak vs Dabra
I'm not very well-versed on Hatchiyak, but I know he's in that same general Cell-tier group of enemies, so I'll assume it'd be more or less the same situation as with Bojack.
Janemba vs Hildegarn
They have similar special abilities, but Hildegarn has a big advantage in power.
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BojackKaboom wrote:Bojack vs Dabra
When transformed, Bojack would have a pretty clear advantage over Dabra in raw power. But if Dabra goes all out with the magic tricks, he could give Bojack some real trouble. If one of Dabra's magic loogies lands on Bojack, he won't be able to do anything about it.
Hatchiyak vs Dabra
I'm not very well-versed on Hatchiyak, but I know he's in that same general Cell-tier group of enemies, so I'll assume it'd be more or less the same situation as with Bojack.
Janemba vs Hildegarn
They have similar special abilities, but Hildegarn has a big advantage in power.
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It's hard to say how strong Bojack is, as SS2 Gohan was probably enraged when he kicked his ass. Still, I think he'd probably get his ass kicked regardless of whether Gohan was enraged or not, and so he loses to Dabra.dbzfan7 wrote:Bojack vs Dabra
Hatchiyak vs Dabra
Janemba vs Hildegarn
Dabra. This isn't even question about strength, Hatchiyak leaves himself wide open during his revenge cannon so Dabra can just stone spit him regardless of who is stronger than who.
Hildegarn, I suppose. It's really hard to compare their strength.
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Human Z Fighters (EOZ) vs DBZ
How far would they get in one on one match ups against every person. Who would be their limit.
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How far would they get in one on one match ups against every person. Who would be their limit.
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