Gohan a SSJ2 in the Family Kamehameha when Goku said "NOW!"?

[TheMightyOzaru]

I hear a lot of Broly fans claim this, and they have a point with the whole "one bang" thing, but it seems unlikely to me. What do you guys think?

[Kaboom]

It's certainly possible that either Goku or Gohan, or even both of them, jumped up to Super Saiyan 2 for that final push that defeated Broly. It'd certainly explain the attack's big power increase. I think there's some artwork for the movie of that scene which shows their hair looking awfully SSj2-ish, as well.

[Fox666]

Since the Kamehameha pushes the hair back, there is no way to tell for sure.

[dbzfan7]

IDK. Gohan was definitely SSJ2 when fighting Broly, but SSJ during the kamehameha wave. I don't know if he actually transformed again.

[TheMightyOzaru]

It's certainly possible that either Goku or Gohan, or even both of them, jumped up to Super Saiyan 2 for that final push that defeated Broly. It'd certainly explain the attack's big power increase. I think there's some artwork for the movie of that scene which shows their hair looking awfully SSj2-ish, as well.

The boost in power can be explained with Gohan's hidden potential. The only argument that this case has is the one bang thing at the last moment. I personally dont see the ferocity of SSJ2 in Gohan's face so it seems unlikely.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I think Gokuu and Gohan's hair were just blown back by the shock of the Kamehameha. Gohan was shown to be a regular Super Saiyan when he shot his Kamehameha at Broli, presumably because he didn't have enough energy left to transform into a Super Saiyan 2 like before after his beatdown from Broli, so why would he somehow regain the power to do it right at the very end whilst he's already using up even more energy to power his Kamehameha?

But then again, Toei don't really follow logic, and the whole scene seemed to be intended as a parallel to the "Father-Son Kamehameha" of the Cell Games, when Gohan was SS2. But I think it's safer to just assume that Gokuu, Gohan, and Goten were all just at regular Super Saiyan during the "Family Kamehameha" against Broli in DBZ Movie #10.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

It's Toei, so who knows?
Also Gohan's also not so apt to use SSj2 because he didn't even go SSj2 when he tried to destroy Boo's ball with a Kamehameha in the series. He wasn't even Super Saiyan 2 when he fought Dabra.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's Toei, so who knows?
Also Gohan's also not so apt to use SSj2 because he didn't even go SSj2 when he tried to destroy Boo's ball with a Kamehameha in the series. He wasn't even Super Saiyan 2 when he fought Dabra.

Gohan had no problem transforming into one in the 25th TB against Kibito. And in both examples you used, there is a big debate about which form Gohan used, be let's get into that in this thread.

[Kaboom]

If this is an actual screencap or cel from the movie, then it seems strange for the "wind" to have pushed back Gohan and Goku's hair, but not Goten's.

[InfernalVegito]

If this is an actual screencap or cel from the movie, then it seems strange for the "wind" to have pushed back Gohan and Goku's hair, but not Goten's.

I guess it's the wind. Son Goku misses a strand of hair on the left side of his forehead. Also the other strands on top of his head look more wavy, due to the wind certainly.


These three indicate SSJ2.

[dbzfan7]

If this is an actual screencap or cel from the movie, then it seems strange for the "wind" to have pushed back Gohan and Goku's hair, but not Goten's.

Never saw it that way. Good point.

[Kaboom]

If this is an actual screencap or cel from the movie, then it seems strange for the "wind" to have pushed back Gohan and Goku's hair, but not Goten's.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d81/K ... 1yqrd0.jpg

I guess it's the wind. Son Goku misses a strand of hair on the left side of his forehead. Also the other strands on top of his head look more wavy, due to the wind certainly.
http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/p ... 8_ssj2.jpg
These three indicate SSJ2.

I'd be willing to believe that Toei may have figured on Goku being a Super Saiyan 2 (wouldn't exactly be difficult to see coming), but had to guess as to his appearance in the form if he hadn't premiered it in the manga yet. Sort of like a less drastic version of "Super Saiyan" from movie 4.

[TheMightyOzaru]

If this is an actual screencap or cel from the movie, then it seems strange for the "wind" to have pushed back Gohan and Goku's hair, but not Goten's.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d81/K ... 1yqrd0.jpg

I guess it's the wind. Son Goku misses a strand of hair on the left side of his forehead. Also the other strands on top of his head look more wavy, due to the wind certainly.
http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/p ... 8_ssj2.jpg
These three indicate SSJ2.

I'd be willing to believe that Toei may have figured on Goku being a Super Saiyan 2 (wouldn't exactly be difficult to see coming), but had to guess as to his appearance in the form if he hadn't premiered it in the manga yet. Sort of like a less drastic version of "Super Saiyan" from movie 4.

I myself find it hard to believe that Goku was a SSJ2. The thing is the Family Kamehameha hit the sun and it didnt blow it up. Yet Cell claims he can destroy the Solar System. I dont think he is an actual solar system buster like a one hit sort of thing but regardless he should be able to destroy the sun and since Broly was killed by something that didnt destroy something Cell could destroy I find it hard to believe that Broly is above Cell let alone SSJ2 Goku. However thats just me.

[Zephyr]

In the case of Cell, his statement is ambiguous. And regardless of what he actually meant, whether or not he could have actually done so is up to interpretation. He does have the cells of Freeza and Vegeta, after all, meaning he could have just been being a cocky asshole.

[TheMightyOzaru]

In the case of Cell, his statement is ambiguous. And regardless of what he actually meant, whether or not he could have actually done so is up to interpretation. He does have the cells of Freeza and Vegeta, after all, meaning he could have just been being a cocky asshole.

I've seen no case where a character has overestimated what he was capable of destroying. Yeah there is that whole "I'm the strongest in the universe!" thing but in terms of what they are actually capable of they have never really lied or boasted. Cell would be the only 1 if he was and since there is no other evidence to back that claim up I see no reason to consider it hyperbole especially since he had no reason to bluff.

[Mystic Gohan]

I'd be inclined to believe that Gohan turns into a SSjin 2 during the final push, but Goku not so much. I've seen the artwork that depicts Goku as a SSjin 2, but the actualy movie shows Goku's hair being pushed back by the KHH. Why it doesn't effect Goten, I could not answer, but all the same Goku being a SSjin 2 is unlikely IMO.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I'd be inclined to believe that Gohan turns into a SSjin 2 during the final push, but Goku not so much. I've seen the artwork that depicts Goku as a SSjin 2, but the actualy movie shows Goku's hair being pushed back by the KHH. Why it doesn't effect Goten, I could not answer, but all the same Goku being a SSjin 2 is unlikely IMO.

I wouldnt find it too hard to believe Gohan going SSJ2 its just the Goku thing. Plus the official art for SSJ2 Goku wasnt even around yet. Toei had no idea what SSJ2 Goku would look like at this time so I highly highly doubt Goku was a SSJ2.

[Kaboom]

Toriyama may have tipped them off to Goku having the form, or even how he might look with it. It's not like he hasn't made similar contributions before. Like Dende already being Earth's god in Movie 6, too.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Toriyama may have tipped them off to Goku having the form, or even how he might look with it. It's not like he hasn't made similar contributions before. Like Dende already being Earth's god in Movie 6, too.

True but even still.

[Ketchup_Revenge]

Super Saiyan 2 is a completely under-used form. I don't see how it makes sense for Goku to be Super Saiyan 2 because he hadn't appeared as one in the series yet (hence the whole "Super Saiyan"/ "False Super Saiyan" thing that happened in Lord Slug.)

However, it could've been a split second transformation simply to increase his ki, kind of like he did against Yakon in the series. However, Gohan only seems to use SSj2 as a showcase. He didn't even go SSj2 when trying to destroy Boo's ball.