Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Titan » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:51 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:About Dragon Ball Online:

"Series creator Akira Toriyama has a great deal of creative control over the project, both contributing to and supervising the story and art design, including character and location arrangements."


And as for Dragon Ball Heroes, I doubt Toriyama has any place for that project, but it's a major one for the franchise.
At least, this time, if the movie turns out to be a flop, Toriyama will be held responsible for it including the possible inconsistency about Gohan's hair.
Anyway, if Toriyama is calling the shots, i highly doubt that the humans or Piccolo are going to fight a single second.

It would be a great opportunity to see how popular DBZ is in Japan currently, but, it seems that they've decided
to tie up One Piece with DBZ, therefore, we won't be able to gauge anything.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Saiga » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:15 am

DBZGTKOSDH was talking about DBO, not this movie...
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Titan » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:24 am

Saiga wrote:DBZGTKOSDH was talking about DBO, not this movie...
I see, nevertheless,
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/11/14/db ... -magazine/

"...The pages confirm quite a lot about the movie, including Akira Toriyama’s actual involvement with its production. It notes that he not only came up with the movie’s original concept, but also the actual story and character designs..."

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:09 am

songohan619 wrote:*Whispering* Pssssst, The DevilCorpse, read this...
Recheck the wording. It confirms nothing about him having anything to do with the story other than supervision, especially when combined with a dozen of other statements on the matter (at least one directly from him).
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Craddle » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:23 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Recheck the wording. It confirms nothing about him having anything to do with the story other than supervision, especially when combined with a dozen of other statements on the matter (at least one directly from him).
^Akira Toriyama has nothing to do with the story.
"Series creator Akira Toriyama has a great deal of creative control over the project, both contributing to and supervising the story and art design, including character and location arrangements."
^Akira Toriyama has contributed to the story.



Sorry, but I will have to agree with the reputable source here.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:45 am

Craddle wrote:^Akira Toriyama has contributed to the story.
Sorry, but I will have to agree with the reputable source here.
It's says he contributed to and supervised the story and design, but doesn't directly state that he did both to each part of development. Dozens of other interviews and official announcements have said that he supervises everything and has only contributed designs.
Amaranth Sparrow wrote:Anyway, from what I can make out from http://www.gamemeca.com/online/preview_ ... =gm0003519 with the aid of Google...

Well, this will certainly be interesting. With how incredibly involved Toriyama is (seriously, compiling character designs for the last five years? :shock:), I'm really looking forward to seeing how this turns out.
Amaranth Sparrow wrote:http://sgame.jp/speciel_newsinfo35.php Bit of news, an "NTL X Bandai Korea Interview", following up on DBO's rapid rise into Korea's top ten online games chart.

They basically explain that NTL is a company that exists in Korea and Japan at the same time, and was originally founded in Japan in 2003 to work on some Disney 3D animation projects. They were then brought into the Dragon Ball Online Project in late 2003, and it entered into the conceptualization phase in 2004. Because the online gaming market is stronger in Korea, they worked in tandem with Bandai Japan and Bandai Korea, then formed their own Korean branch in 2004. Six years later, NTL is a company that is currently dedicated solely to Dragon Ball Online. They go on to explain their relationship with Bandai Korea, CJ Internet, and Shueisha and how that relates to the DBO Project.

They again summarize that the idea behind DBO was to unite Korean experience in online game development with Japanese creative force to create something that could transcend their respective cultures and make an impact on the whole world. They say that their motto is "harmony", with both Japanese and Korean staff members working together, bringing their own talents to the table. They currently have about 80 people working on the game between Japan and Korea, and the staff is growing. The game has been in direct development for five years, and has existed conceptually for about six. They'd originally planned to have it out in 2007, but they make a veiled mention of the release of World of Warcraft in 2004, and their need to greatly expand DBO to raise standards so it could compete, and also to incorporate as many requests from players as possible.

Next, they talk a bit about the story, and Akira Toriyama's involvement. Basically, they say that the story of Dragon Ball Online can't be the same as the original story, because it's set 250 years later, and they need to have new events for the present setting. They say that they're trying to implement the most original stories, and that everything is produced under the supervision of the original author, Akira Toriyama, and Shueisha, the copyright holders.

They then go on to discuss the hows and whys of implementating familiar elements from the manga, like the Tenkaichi Budokai, Scouters, and Jan Ken, and what sort of content they'd like to add in the future. They say that those things had to be included because it wouldn't feel like Dragon Ball without them.

They mention that when it comes to special techniques, they have to strike a balance for the sake of gameplay and that they can't always just look at how powerful they were in the original, though it's really cool to see a famous skill thrown in at the end of a combo. They want to eventually implement team-up attacks. They also mention that they have to come up with a lot of completely original abilities, simply because they're required for the sake of gameplay, but that it can be a difficult process because Akira Toriyama and Shueisha have to consent to every ability they come up with. This is taken very seriously, so that anything they develop can be considered an official part of Dragon Ball.

They then basically emphasize that everything that actually gets developed has to be supervised by Shueisha and checked by Toriyama before being placed in the game, and that such an influence gives an official touch to everything in the game.

They talk a bit about why they decided to move from console games to an online game, and to shift from a game about fighting to a more thoughtful game about going to important places, where players can enjoy the world of Dragon Ball firsthand. They mention that, even though it's set 250 years in the future, they implemented a lot of features to allow fans of the original to enjoy it, too.

They talk a bit about the original concept, which was that rather than copying or imitating the original, they'd make an official sequel set 250 years later, to make something that's "the real deal". They mention that they also wanted to make it for the sake of the people who already love the setting, and because of that, it can appeal to people all over, from schoolchildren to the middle-aged. They say that DBO is the rare sort of MMORPG that could be cross-generational in a positive way. They didn't want to make a game that targets any one country, but rather something that could be considered world-class. They talk a bit about localization, and basically say that, since people all over the world already love the setting, and that they're developing it with a worldwide audience in mind, they don't want changes and mistakes in the localization process (like changing items, gameplay balance, how clothing or characters look, etc.). They say that if things get changed, they'll get flamed by Dragon Ball fans all over.

They go on to say that NTL and Bandai have to "move very carefully" with Shueisha when it comes to targeting Japan and the rest of the world, and they apologize to the fans waiting for such details, because they can't reveal anything about that yet. Even so, they're eager to start working on the Japanese release, they plan to expand to a worldwide release, and they think it'll be a game that can be continually updated and expanded on indefinitely.
Amaranth Sparrow wrote:The game is being developed by NTL and published by Bandai Namco Games for Windows PCs, and will be released in South Korea in Summer 2007, and some time in 2008 in Japan.

The game world is set in the future of the original series, and players will be able to create their own characters, and interact with main characters who appeared in the original, as well as new, original characters who live in the Dragon Ball world, and will be a gameplay exprience that can only be expressed as an MMO.

On top of that, it is stated that Akira Toriyama has complete supervision over the story and character designs.

It is being developed in Korea to take advantage of their experience with developing online games [MMORPGs are much more popular in Korea than they are in Japan].

More information is scheduled to be released through the Bandai Namco Games website: http://www.bandainamcogames.co.jp/
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by VegettoEX » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:47 am

Folks, I think everyone's confusing different quotes and descriptions of Dragon Ball Online versus the new movie, and further confusing what they think each other is actually talking about.

Let's try to pull it back around again. Thanks :).
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods

Post by Craddle » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:53 am

VegettoEX wrote:Folks, I think everyone's confusing different quotes and descriptions of Dragon Ball Online versus the new movie, and further confusing what they think each other is actually talking about.

Let's try to pull it back around again. Thanks :).
My bad, I thought they were talking about the Movie. (You know, in the movie thread.) No wonder I was so confused. :lol:

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:01 am

Craddle wrote:My bad, I thought they were talking about the Movie. No wonder I was so confused. :lol:
Sorry. lol I wouldn't have been disputing it if we're talking about the film, as the site just posted his contributions to the movie yesterday from the Jump leak. I've got a bit of Toriyama syndrome myself, but I'm not that forgetful...yet. :D
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Post by kei17 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:08 pm

I think this movie contains nothing from DB Online because the story doesn't take place in DBO's distant future timeline, and it's not even released in Japan after all. Maybe some designs can be reused, though.

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Post by NeoKING » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:20 pm

Still can't believe we're getting a brand-spanking new Dragon Ball movie. This year's been pretty good for Dragon Ball fans.

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Post by b_boult » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:21 pm

Do we know if this film is going to released in 3d yet? Assuming this is even feasable for a hand-drawn, animated film, the idea of a 3d fight scene is really appealing to me.

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Post by JeffJarrett » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:45 pm

Titan wrote:At least, this time, if the movie turns out to be a flop, Toriyama will be held responsible for it including the possible inconsistency about Gohan's hair.
There is no inconsistency about Gohan's hair. Only a few fans believe things that have never been stated such as Gohan being unable to turn Super Saiyan after Old Kai released his hidden power.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:03 pm

JeffJarrett wrote:
Titan wrote:At least, this time, if the movie turns out to be a flop, Toriyama will be held responsible for it including the possible inconsistency about Gohan's hair.
There no inconsistency about Gohan's hair. Only a few fans believe things that have never been stated such as Gohan being unable to turn Super Saiyan after Old Kai released his hidden power.
It was suggested when the Elder Kaioshin told Gohan to do the Super Saiyan thing to achieve his new power. So he was able to use his unlocked potential by doing the same thing he does to go SSJ. It seems like that rules out the possibility of SSJ when he is told to do the same thing to use his full power. I can go either way.
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Post by JeffJarrett » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:07 pm

Gohan does the "Super Saiyan thing" when he turns Super Saiyan 2, and Goku also does the "Super Saiyan thing" when he turns Super Saiyan 3 or Super Saiyan 4.

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Post by mattymoron » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:40 pm

Lol, I like the double-standard here about Gohan's hair:

When he turns Super Saiyan in GT: GAWD, GT SO DUMB. GOHAN GOT MYSTIC HE CAN'T GO SUPER SAIYAN NO MOAR!

Super Saiyan In The New Movie: Well, I mean, they never outright STATED Gohan can't go Super Saiyan. That's just a theory.

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mattymoron wrote:Lol, I like the double-standard here about Gohan's hair:

When he turns Super Saiyan in GT: GAWD, GT SO DUMB. GOHAN GOT MYSTIC HE CAN'T GO SUPER SAIYAN NO MOAR!

Super Saiyan In The New Movie: Well, I mean, they never outright STATED Gohan can't go Super Saiyan. That's just a theory.
Not everyone is like that in here, people are actually expressing different opinions here. I was never on boat with the locked Super Saiyan mode theory. Especially since we've got two branching transformations, on one side we've got the Grade 2 and 3, on the other, Super Saiyan 2 and 3. So the Potential Unlocked state can just be yet another branching. This movie changes nothing in my opinion, just reinforces it. Many people here share my view, accusing people of having double standards will get you nowhere here.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:36 pm

mattymoron wrote:Lol, I like the double-standard here about Gohan's hair:
I'm not sure I would call it a double-standard yet. The problem most people have with GT is despite having the chance to explain why Gohan can transform, they just don't--and that's dumb. With the new film, we see Gohan as a Super Saiyan again. But unlike GT, the film isn't out yet and so we still have a chance to get an explanation for why, hence our increased speculation for why it could be plausible. If the movie hits theaters and they don't bother to explain it yet again, I'm sure it will probably get the same amount of rage. lol
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Post by SaiyaJedi » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:53 pm

So, back to some more meaningful discussion... :roll:

On seeing the tag line, one of my first impressions (which we ultimately cut from the news post for being too speculative in nature) was that the wording of "God(s)" as "Shin" was in some way tied to "Shin" the character, a.k.a. Kaiōshin. That would turn the blurb into, "The curtain rises on Shin's battle". Someone about to challenge his cosmic authority over on Kaiōshin-Kai, perhaps?
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Post by NeoKING » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:02 pm

SaiyaJedi wrote:So, back to some more meaningful discussion... :roll:
Not seeing how they weren't having meaningful discussions. All we have to speculate on is what we've seen from posters. Their concerns about Gohan's power as seen in promotions for the movie are legit; so leave them be.
On seeing the tag line, one of my first impressions (which we ultimately cut from the news post for being too speculative in nature) was that the wording of "God(s)" as "Shin" was in some way tied to "Shin" the character, a.k.a. Kaiōshin. That would turn the blurb into, "The curtain rises on Shin's battle". Someone about to challenge his cosmic authority over on Kaiōshin-Kai, perhaps?
Doubt it. I dunno if you've ever realized, but Kaioshin's a scrub. A bum. He's supposed to be the highest God ever or something but he gets shitted on at every turn in the original manga. I dunno if it was Toriyama's sense of irony at work, but have you ever noticed that Mr. Satan, a cowardly cheat who bears the name of the Devil, gets more respect on Planet Earth (he had all the people on the planet chanting his name) than GOD-God gets from the entire universe? Kaioshin's really a disgrace. If someone really wanted to take his spot I doubt they'd have a hard time.

"Kaioshin" is Supreme Kai, right?

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