How powerful was Aka (Abo and Kado Fusion in the 2008 OVA)?

[Angelus]

Aka seem to have been able to keep up with Base Gotenks that was playing around.

When Aka went full power, Goku and Vegeta felt that they intervene since Gotenks wasn't being serious.

The 2008 OVA Son Goku and Friends return occur a few years after Kid Buu's deafeat (2 years?).

Powerscale Aka.

Would Aka be Majin Buu (Fat Buu) level? Since Aka was able to keep up with Base Gotenks, which Majin Buu beat up.

[Hellspawn28]

I'm pretty sure he is above SSj2 level. I remember Goku end up knocking out in one punch as a SSj, but that could be PIS which can easily be ignore though.

[Angelus]

Well, this is post-Buu Saga SSJ Goku and Vegeta. And since the animation for SSJ2 is quite confusing after the Cell Saga, they could be SSJ2 even if there are no sparks. Besides, plot-wise, SSJ wouldn't cut it. Even if Goku and Vegeta are beyond SPC as just SSJs, this Aka fought Base Gotenks.

You think Aka is even with Fat Majin Buu? Base Gotenks would be the powerscale reference for this since Base Gotenks fought both, and lost to both. Base Gotenks was playing around but was blown away when Aka went full power.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Honestly I would imagine around 100x stronger than 100% Frieza.

[Kendamu]

I guess we can then rule out that their Fusion isn't a matter of adding their powers up. That would just be two Freezas of power. At the same time, I don't know if "Freeza x Freeza" multiplication would be enough to take on Gotenks. Maybe Aka is sort of like a complete pre-separation Kami/Piccolo, but their separation is more like Freeza using less powerful forms or Earthlings hiding their power.

Or maybe I'm just over thinking it.

[Hitiro]

Frieza has said previously that he only used his 2nd form before so its probably either of these forms. Seeing as Tarble had probably only experienced his first form I would be inclined to say this was the powerlevel Tarble was referring to. But its possible he witnessed his 2nd form at some point and that is the form he's talking about. Either way I'd say they're in the millions, perhaps pushing tens of millions individually. Maybe pushing half of Frieza's 60% in his final form. Much like Goten and Trunks.

[Saiga]

Inbetween 100% Freeza and base Gotenks, who I have marginally higher than SS Goku (Namek). I don't know how he'd compare to Namek Arc SS Goku.

[NeoKING]

Aka, while being a gag villain, was definetely as strong as Super Perfect Cell, or maybe even stronger. He's the first main villain that goes against Dragon Ball's sliding scale of stronger foes as time goes on, as he's not stronger than Majin Boo.

It's hard to tell, really. Wish we knew if Gotenks could've taken him as a SSJ.

[Kaboom]

It's been a while since I watched the special, but didn't the narration essentially label the villains as a forgettable non-threat? I have my doubts that they were meant to be portrayed as up in the immense Perfect Cell and Majin Boo realms of power.

[Kendamu]

It's been a while since I watched the special, but didn't the narration essentially label the villains as a forgettable non-threat? I have my doubts that they were meant to be portrayed as up in the immense Perfect Cell and Majin Boo realms of power.

That is true. However, it's hard to tell if Gotenks was having trouble due to inexperience or simply not being strong enough. Honestly, I take the gag factor and the retro throwback factor into account when thinking about the entire incident, but that's not exactly "in universe," is it?

[NeoKING]

It's been a while since I watched the special, but didn't the narration essentially label the villains as a forgettable non-threat?

The narraration said that they were a pathetic foe, as by the end of the movie they were feasting with the good guys, so they weren't really so much as a threat. Not pathetic as in weak as Yamcha.

[mattymoron]

I'd say the fusion was closer to Semi-Perfect Cell levels of power.

[Toadster]

Inbetween 100% Freeza and base Gotenks, who I have marginally higher than SS Goku (Namek). I don't know how he'd compare to Namek Arc SS Goku.

Base Gotenks is Super Perfect Cell level at worst.

[Saiga]

Inbetween 100% Freeza and base Gotenks, who I have marginally higher than SS Goku (Namek). I don't know how he'd compare to Namek Arc SS Goku.

Base Gotenks is Super Perfect Cell level at worst.

Absolutely not.

There is nothing in the series that says Gotenks must be at least at SPC's level.

[Barunks]

I always took the description of them being as strong as Freeza as referring to their combined state. At least that's what Goku only needing to go super saiyan to bring him down told me.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I always took the description of them being as strong as Freeza as referring to their combined state. At least that's what Goku only needing to go super saiyan to bring him down told me.

It doesn't really matter which form was being talked about, but it was likely before the gattai. I mean, Goku is at least more than double the strength of Freeza's max power in just his Super Saiyan state by the time of the Cell Arc, not to even mention the training till Buu. Aka could theoretically be at Perfect Cell's level, and he wouldn't need to transform higher than the first level to do what was done.

[Enbi]

With Base Gotenks..well, in this special, it's obviously Base Gotenks post-RoSaT who should be able to smoke SSj3 Goku from the Boo Saga.

Don't remember this fight well, but I'm pretty sure Base Gotenks had the edge and only went Super Saiyan for lols. Then Aka got up and blasted SSj Gotenks from behind with his Wahaha-blast, or whatever it's called..correct me if I'm wrong on any of that.

So yeah, weird fight, but I'd say he's higher than Super Perfect Cell for sure...

[Pantalones]

With Base Gotenks..well, in this special, it's obviously Base Gotenks post-RoSaT who should be able to smoke SSj3 Goku from the Boo Saga.

So Gotenks is more than 400 times stronger than Goku... somehow I don't think this is all that likely. He's definitely stronger than Goku, yeah, but it's kind of excessive to think he'd be that much stronger.

Assuming SSj Gotenks (after training) was around as strong as SSj3 Goku or a bit stronger, there's no reason for base Gotenks to be more than 8 or 10 times stronger than base Goku (which would mean his SSj would be around Goku's SSj3, or a bit higher.) But there is absolutely no way that base Gotenks will be stronger than SSj3 Goku, at least not if the x50 for Super Saiyan, x2 on top of that for SSj2, x4 on top of that for SSj3 multipliers apply. Maybe if fusion changes how Super Saiyan forms work (changing them into smaller boosts layered on top of an absurdly strong base form?) or the SSj forms no longer give the same bonuses at this point in the series, but unless that's the case there is no reason for base Gotenks to be that strong.

[Enbi]

So Gotenks is more than 400 times stronger than Goku... somehow I don't think this is all that likely. He's definitely stronger than Goku, yeah, but it's kind of excessive to think he'd be that much stronger.

Assuming SSj Gotenks (after training) was around as strong as SSj3 Goku or a bit stronger, there's no reason for base Gotenks to be more than 8 or 10 times stronger than base Goku (which would mean his SSj would be around Goku's SSj3, or a bit higher.) But there is absolutely no way that base Gotenks will be stronger than SSj3 Goku, at least not if the x50 for Super Saiyan, x2 on top of that for SSj2, x4 on top of that for SSj3 multipliers apply. Maybe if fusion changes how Super Saiyan forms work (changing them into smaller boosts layered on top of an absurdly strong base form?) or the SSj forms no longer give the same bonuses at this point in the series, but unless that's the case there is no reason for base Gotenks to be that strong.

Some people believe Gotenks to have small SSjin multipliers, because in the Super Boo fight, there doesn't seem too big a difference between SSjin and SSjin 3 Gotenks.

Anyways, the whole Base Gotenks post-RoSaT being stronger than Goku thing...well, Goku said someone stronger than himself would face Boo..this is pre-RoSaT. Piccolo, when Gotenks is formed, comments on his chi being incredible. Remember, Gotenks is supposed to be taking Goku's place to beat Boo (this doesn't end up happening of course, but whatever). So at minimum, Gotenks should be around Goku's level pre-RoSaT, arguably stronger since Goku's statement of Gotenks being stronger than him was never contradicted by Piccolo or something.

Super Boo forms, and then Piccolo thinks they're screwed and sends Gotenks to the RoSaT. When Super Boo is about to fight, Gotenks forms in base, and Piccolo thinks they have a chance after saying that they greatly improved. Of course, he was wrong about them having a chance, but that shouldn't make him wrong about their power-up. He also didn't know that they could go SSjin after having already fused.

So that seems to point to Base Gotenks being above SSjin 3 Goku for me. I can understand the idea being far-fetched, though.