Was Gohan "Ultimate" in Movie #12?

[Insertclevername]

During the Fusion Reborn, when Gohan punched Freeza in the stomach, was he "Ultimate" or was he just in his base form?

[Kaboom]

Doesn't seem like it. He didn't have the 'intense' eyes nor the more muscular build.

Freeza didn't seem to be at his full power or even close to it (since he wasn't bulky at all), so it's very likely that Gohan at this point in the series could insta-kill a lower-power-percentage Freeza even without Super Saiyan.

[Saiga]

I don't think he was, nor would he need to be to one-shot Freeza since I think Freeza would have been around a quarter of max power (whatever he was when he fought KK10 Goku, before 50% power).

[Mystic Gohan]

I don't believe he was "mystic" myself, but either way him one-shotting Freeza in his base state would happen the same.

[Enbi]

Not that it would totally matter in this situation (aside from those so engrossed in power discussions, looking at what Goku said about 'strongest chi' or whatever in regards to Janemba), but I think he was in base state, personally. His "Ultimate" basically looks like SSjin with black hair (perhaps some subtle differences that I can't remember) and he doesn't look like that against Freeza.

[Fox666]

This is what Gohan looked like at the time:



What I had like to know is why Bojack and his group was following Freeza's orders, or even reacted that way to his defeat, since each of them should be able to defeat Freeza with a single attack too?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

What I had like to know is why Bojack and his group was following Freeza's orders,

Freeza just gave the signal, doesn't mean that Bojack was following orders from him.

or even reacted that way to his defeat, since each of them should be able to defeat Freeza with a single attack too?

We didn't see anyone from Bojack's gang running away or getting scared. Sure, everyone was running away, but it's possible that Bojack & co. just left from that place after Freeza's signal, ignoring everyone else, including Gohan, who he most likely didn't recognize.

[JulieYBM]

There is a very simple answer to this. It's called look the dates up on the main website.

Chapter #496: 05 December 1994
Chapter #497: 12 December 1994 (Gohan arrives back on Earth)
Movie #12: 04 March 1995
Episode #262: 26 April 1995 (Gohan arrives back on Earth)

The answer is...maybe. It depends on how long the film was in production.

[TheMightyOzaru]

No. His hair and face do not even come close to matching Mystic Gohans appearance.

[Pantalones]

He doesn't seem to be in his "ultimate/mystic" state based on appearance, like everyone else has said. I don't think he does the "transformation" into that state before fighting (like he does when activating his full power in Movie 13), either, though I don't remember for sure.

He shouldn't need to be that strong to beat Freeza with one punch like he did, anyway, considering that Freeza definitely isn't using his full power ("bulked up" mode) and probably isn't even using anything near 50% (since he seems to like sticking to a low level until someone pushes him higher.)

Heck, this might even be "only a little stronger than his 3rd form, power level 3,000,000 or so" Freeza like he was at the start of the Goku vs. Freeza battle... in which case pretty much any super-powered character who's still training/fighting this far into the series should be able to kick his ass with little effort just like Gohan did.

[dbzfan7]

His face, style, and attitude don't match his Ultimate persona.

[Fox666]

He shouldn't need to be that strong to beat Freeza with one punch like he did, anyway, considering that Freeza definitely isn't using his full power ("bulked up" mode) and probably isn't even using anything near 50% (since he seems to like sticking to a low level until someone pushes him higher.)

It also seems that, in the manga, Freeza gradually increased his muscles through the battle with Goku.

Warm-up


50%


More than 50%


Based on that, Freeza was also using more than 50% when he arrived on Earth with Cold.

[Hellspawn28]

I remember people debate about for this year. I guess Movie 12 Gohan is much stronger then he is in the manga and anime since I doubt Gohan can truly kill Final Form Freeza in his base form with punch given how he is weaker then he was at the Cell Games.

[Enbi]

I think he can do it....

[Hitiro]

I'd like to bring up something. During the time Gohan powered up after the Elder Kaioshin said he was done Gohan's features didn't change until just before the battle with Super Buu. Is it possible that unless Gohan is fighting over a certain level of strength his "Mystic" features don't become prominent? Or could this possibly just be a mistake on Toriyama's part? If so he could have easily been using his unlocked strength. Just only a portion of it.

[hleV]

I'd like to bring up something. During the time Gohan powered up after the Elder Kaioshin said he was done Gohan's features didn't change until just before the battle with Super Buu. Is it possible that unless Gohan is fighting over a certain level of strength his "Mystic" features don't become prominent? Or could this possibly just be a mistake on Toriyama's part? If so he could have easily been using his unlocked strength. Just only a portion of it.

Even when non-powered-up, Gohan should still have his eyes with full outline if he truly was "Ultimate".

[Hitiro]

I'd like to bring up something. During the time Gohan powered up after the Elder Kaioshin said he was done Gohan's features didn't change until just before the battle with Super Buu. Is it possible that unless Gohan is fighting over a certain level of strength his "Mystic" features don't become prominent? Or could this possibly just be a mistake on Toriyama's part? If so he could have easily been using his unlocked strength. Just only a portion of it.

Even when non-powered-up, Gohan should still have his eyes with full outline if he truly was "Ultimate".

Why is this? Is it stated somewhere? Because Gohan powers up after the Elder Kaioshin finished his business there were no distinguishable changes in his features. As I said it is only after he starts fighting Super Buu that his hair looks different.

[Sebastian]

Was the "Ultimate" form even introduced at the point this movie was made?

[Insertclevername]

I remember people debate about for this year. I guess Movie 12 Gohan is much stronger then he is in the manga and anime since I doubt Gohan can truly kill Final Form Freeza in his base form with punch given how he is weaker then he was at the Cell Games.

From what I gather, from the dialogue and such, Gohan's strength stayed the same for the most part. He just couldn't draw tremendous power from his emotions like he used to as a kid.

[Mystic Gohan]

Even if he did lose power, him one-shotting Freeza would still happen....