The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[TheMightyOzaru]

Chapter: 519 (DBZ 325), P12.2-5
Context: Oob is surprised by Goku’s Bukujutsu
Goku: “Oh, I see. You still don’t even know how to fly, huh? …I guess there ain’t no helping it. You haven’t had no teacher, and you probably never even considered things like that. Sorry I bad-mouthed you before. Please forgive me. I just wanted to know your true ability. You’re exactly the person I thought you were. As amazin’ as I expected. But you don’t know how to use your power. This is the first time you’ve fought like this, right? I've got it! From now on I'll live with you at your house and teach you!”
Goku isnt disappointed in the slightest. base Goku > Good Buu. I see no reason whatsoever to assume Goku is weaker than Gohan. As for the SSJ thing, it was previously established that they wont go SSJ during the Budokai.

All that means is that Oob's no ordinary human, and from that Goku can confirm that he's Pure Boo's reincarnation. That doesn't make him stronger than Good Boo.

I see no reason to assume Goku is stronger than Gohan since Gohan was stronger than him in the Boo arc by a fair margin and even though 10 years have passed Goku hasn't been said to be doing any kind of amazing training that would help him close such a gap.

And it was a different Budokai that they agreed not to use Super Saiyan, to hide it from Videl. No reason to keep it that way for this one.

First off wrong. They didnt go SSJ in the last Budokai to avoid publicity and its no different this time. Here Ill give you both quotes that state base Goku > Good Buu:
Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P6.5
Goku: “…But someone besides us and Boo might win.”
Satan: “Hahhahhah, now really! There’s no way that could happen, right?”

He says Uub might be stronger than all of use and Buu.

Chapter: 519 (DBZ 325), P12.2-5
Context: Oob is surprised by Goku’s Bukujutsu
Goku: “Oh, I see. You still don’t even know how to fly, huh? …I guess there ain’t no helping it. You haven’t had no teacher, and you probably never even considered things like that. Sorry I bad-mouthed you before. Please forgive me. I just wanted to know your true ability. You’re exactly the person I thought you were. As amazin’ as I expected. But you don’t know how to use your power. This is the first time you’ve fought like this, right? I've got it! From now on I'll live with you at your house and teach you!”

Goku's suspicions are confirmed. He is stronger than Good Buu like he expected since he is as amazin' as he expected. Its pretty clear that Uub > Good Buu and Goku >= Uub.

[TheMightyOzaru]

He said might as in a guess. His expectation every time before that and quoted was that their is a strong guy I want to fight. He found the Kid Boo reincarnation and fought a strong warrior is what he expected. If you consider that then you might as well consider the one line which Base Gotenks post could be considered stronger then pre. He also expected he would need 100% stamina when he clearly didn't. How can they be equals when Goku barely took damage and was testing him the whole time.

Goku said Uub might be stronger than Good Buu later he says he says, here Ill bold it, You are as Amazin' as I expected. He expected him to be stronger than Good Buu he makes this very clear. He also expects to fight Kid Buu's reincarnation who should be just as strong as Kid Buu. Its pretty clear what Toriyama is trying to get across here. Goku is stronger than Good Buu in his base form.

That wasn't an expectation what he said. He said he might be stronger which is a case scenario. Either Goku became some shining God to the point where Kid Boo is worthless to him, or Oob only tapped into some potential. Goku confirmed he is who he wanted him to be. his previous 5 times stated he expected a strong fighter. Only one time does he say that, and he says might as in maybe. It's a line you can take as the Base Gotenks post vs Pre where the line had Piccolo believed his power up was substantial enough that it is a stronger then pre Gotenks and he could win. He seemed to believe it, he lost all hope when it wouldn't be enough. you can consider it a throw away line or accept it. Just like the one line that contradicts Goku's expectation saying he expects a strong fighter.

What other way is there to interpret this? Seriously if Uub is just as amazing as he expected and he says he expects Uub to be stronger than Good Buu, he is. I dont see why people feel the need to question this =/. How does the Gotenks thing prove a point? Goku has his power and Uub's power to compare. Piccolo has Gotenks power and Buu's UNKNOWN power to compare. This isnt a valid point. You are basically calling Goku a liar with no reason other than I dont want Goku to be stronger =/. Goku fought Uub and he thinks his power is greater than Good Buu's since he expected Uub to be stronger than Good Buu. Yeah he expected a stronger fighter... he also expected Uub to be stronger than Good Buu. You argument holds no water. Seriously its common sense. Goku thinks Uub might win since he expects him to have great power, He later says he is just as amazin' as he expected.

[Saiga]

First off wrong. They didnt go SSJ in the last Budokai to avoid publicity and its no different this time.

That was Gohan's excuse to get the others to go along with it. Just like he made up a different excuse not for Goten to transform infront of Videl.

Here Ill give you both quotes that state base Goku > Good Buu:
Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P6.5
Goku: “…But someone besides us and Boo might win.”
Satan: “Hahhahhah, now really! There’s no way that could happen, right?”

He says Uub might be stronger than all of use and Buu.

Chapter: 519 (DBZ 325), P12.2-5
Context: Oob is surprised by Goku’s Bukujutsu
Goku: “Oh, I see. You still don’t even know how to fly, huh? …I guess there ain’t no helping it. You haven’t had no teacher, and you probably never even considered things like that. Sorry I bad-mouthed you before. Please forgive me. I just wanted to know your true ability. You’re exactly the person I thought you were. As amazin’ as I expected. But you don’t know how to use your power. This is the first time you’ve fought like this, right? I've got it! From now on I'll live with you at your house and teach you!”

Goku's suspicions are confirmed. He is stronger than Good Buu like he expected since he is as amazin' as he expected. Its pretty clear that Uub > Good Buu and Goku >= Uub.

That's only one interpretation. And that's all it is: interpretation. That isn't enough to call Base Goku > Good Boo fact. As I've said, there are other ways of looking at it that are just as valid.

[dbzfan7]

Chapter: 519 (DBZ 325), P12.2-5
Context: Oob is surprised by Goku’s Bukujutsu
Goku: “Oh, I see. You still don’t even know how to fly, huh? …I guess there ain’t no helping it. You haven’t had no teacher, and you probably never even considered things like that. Sorry I bad-mouthed you before. Please forgive me. I just wanted to know your true ability. You’re exactly the person I thought you were. As amazin’ as I expected. But you don’t know how to use your power. This is the first time you’ve fought like this, right? I've got it! From now on I'll live with you at your house and teach you!”
Goku isnt disappointed in the slightest. base Goku > Good Buu. I see no reason whatsoever to assume Goku is weaker than Gohan. As for the SSJ thing, it was previously established that they wont go SSJ during the Budokai.

All that means is that Oob's no ordinary human, and from that Goku can confirm that he's Pure Boo's reincarnation. That doesn't make him stronger than Good Boo.

I see no reason to assume Goku is stronger than Gohan since Gohan was stronger than him in the Boo arc by a fair margin and even though 10 years have passed Goku hasn't been said to be doing any kind of amazing training that would help him close such a gap.

And it was a different Budokai that they agreed not to use Super Saiyan, to hide it from Videl. No reason to keep it that way for this one.

First off wrong. They didnt go SSJ in the last Budokai to avoid publicity and its no different this time. Here Ill give you both quotes that state base Goku > Good Buu:
Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P6.5
Goku: “…But someone besides us and Boo might win.”
Satan: “Hahhahhah, now really! There’s no way that could happen, right?”

He says Uub might be stronger than all of use and Buu.

Chapter: 519 (DBZ 325), P12.2-5
Context: Oob is surprised by Goku’s Bukujutsu
Goku: “Oh, I see. You still don’t even know how to fly, huh? …I guess there ain’t no helping it. You haven’t had no teacher, and you probably never even considered things like that. Sorry I bad-mouthed you before. Please forgive me. I just wanted to know your true ability. You’re exactly the person I thought you were. As amazin’ as I expected. But you don’t know how to use your power. This is the first time you’ve fought like this, right? I've got it! From now on I'll live with you at your house and teach you!”

Goku's suspicions are confirmed. He is stronger than Good Buu like he expected since he is as amazin' as he expected. Its pretty clear that Uub > Good Buu and Goku >= Uub.

Oob easily could have not demonstrated his full ability. Here Goku can sense it and says he's fighting someone who seems incredible and could be a formidable fighter. This was his expectation. He came because he felt someone who is strong and he doesn't tell Vegeta here he is Boo level. All he tells Vegeta is that he is a strong fighter.

Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P2.4-8
Context: Vegeta asks Goku why he’s entering the next Tenkaichi Budoukai
Goku: “Because someone’s entering who seems incredible! I’ve had my eye on him for awhile, and he came to the tournament grounds this morning.”
Vegeta: “What!? …I don’t feel any ki that strong…”
Goku: “He’s completely suppressing his ki now. ..But somehow I can tell…that he’s definitely strong…”
Vegeta: “…Hmph, are you joking? There’s no way a guy like that could exist…Don’t tell me he’s an alien!?”
Goku: “Nope, he’s an Earthling.”
Bulma: “Huh!? That’s impossible.”


Goku doesn't even consider his match with Oob proper. He wants to bring out Oob's talent and have a real fight.

Goku: “Hey, Oob. Once your training is complete, we’ll have a match again, properly this time! [ ] To tell the truth, this is my number one objective!”

[TheMightyOzaru]

First off wrong. They didnt go SSJ in the last Budokai to avoid publicity and its no different this time.

That was Gohan's excuse to get the others to go along with it. Just like he made up a different excuse not for Goten to transform infront of Videl.

Here Ill give you both quotes that state base Goku > Good Buu:
Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P6.5
Goku: “…But someone besides us and Boo might win.”
Satan: “Hahhahhah, now really! There’s no way that could happen, right?”

He says Uub might be stronger than all of use and Buu.

Chapter: 519 (DBZ 325), P12.2-5
Context: Oob is surprised by Goku’s Bukujutsu
Goku: “Oh, I see. You still don’t even know how to fly, huh? …I guess there ain’t no helping it. You haven’t had no teacher, and you probably never even considered things like that. Sorry I bad-mouthed you before. Please forgive me. I just wanted to know your true ability. You’re exactly the person I thought you were. As amazin’ as I expected. But you don’t know how to use your power. This is the first time you’ve fought like this, right? I've got it! From now on I'll live with you at your house and teach you!”

Goku's suspicions are confirmed. He is stronger than Good Buu like he expected since he is as amazin' as he expected. Its pretty clear that Uub > Good Buu and Goku >= Uub.

That's only one interpretation. And that's all it is: interpretation. That isn't enough to call Base Goku > Good Boo fact. As I've said, there are other ways of looking at it that are just as valid.

Goku thinks Uub might win against Good Buu because he EXPECTS him to have great power. Later he is just as Amazing as he EXPECTED. There really isnt anything to interpret here. Its boldly stated that Uub > Good Buu. Then Goku seems to be equal to or stronger than him in base. Furthermore I see no reason to assume that Goku thinks Uub is weaker than Kid Buu. I also see no reason for him to be weaker than Kid Buu in general. He is Buu incarnate and should be just as strong.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Oob easily could have not demonstrated his full ability. Here Goku can sense it and says he fighting someone who seems incredible and could be a formidable fighter. This was his expectation. He came because he felt someone who is strong and he doesn't tell Vegeta here he is Boo level.

Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P2.4-8
Context: Vegeta asks Goku why he’s entering the next Tenkaichi Budoukai
Goku: “Because someone’s entering who seems incredible! I’ve had my eye on him for awhile, and he came to the tournament grounds this morning.”
Vegeta: “What!? …I don’t feel any ki that strong…”
Goku: “He’s completely suppressing his ki now. ..But somehow I can tell…that he’s definitely strong…”
Vegeta: “…Hmph, are you joking? There’s no way a guy like that could exist…Don’t tell me he’s an alien!?”
Goku: “Nope, he’s an Earthling.”
Bulma: “Huh!? That’s impossible.”


Goku doesn't even consider his match with Oob proper. He wants to bring out Oob's talent and have a real fight.

Goku: “Hey, Oob. Once your training is complete, we’ll have a match again, properly this time! [ ] To tell the truth, this is my number one objective!”

You do realize a "proper match" just means he want Uub to know what he is doing rather just fight in bursts of power. Goku straight up says he wanted to see his true power and its just as amazing as he thought it would be so he clearly is not disappointed. He though he might be stronger than Good Buu and later says he is just as strong as he though he was. Uub being at full power is irreverent since he is just as strong as he thought he was and he thought he might be stronger than Good Buu.

[dbzfan7]

Oob easily could have not demonstrated his full ability. Here Goku can sense it and says he fighting someone who seems incredible and could be a formidable fighter. This was his expectation. He came because he felt someone who is strong and he doesn't tell Vegeta here he is Boo level.

Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P2.4-8
Context: Vegeta asks Goku why he’s entering the next Tenkaichi Budoukai
Goku: “Because someone’s entering who seems incredible! I’ve had my eye on him for awhile, and he came to the tournament grounds this morning.”
Vegeta: “What!? …I don’t feel any ki that strong…”
Goku: “He’s completely suppressing his ki now. ..But somehow I can tell…that he’s definitely strong…”
Vegeta: “…Hmph, are you joking? There’s no way a guy like that could exist…Don’t tell me he’s an alien!?”
Goku: “Nope, he’s an Earthling.”
Bulma: “Huh!? That’s impossible.”


Goku doesn't even consider his match with Oob proper. He wants to bring out Oob's talent and have a real fight.

Goku: “Hey, Oob. Once your training is complete, we’ll have a match again, properly this time! [ ] To tell the truth, this is my number one objective!”

You do realize a "proper match" just means he want Uub to know what he is doing rather just fight in bursts of power. Goku straight up says he wanted to see his true power and its just as amazing as he thought it would be so he clearly is not disappointed. He though he might be stronger than Good Buu and later says he is just as strong as he though he was. Uub being at full power is irreverent since he is just as strong as he thought he was and he thought he might be stronger than Good Buu.

He wanted a proper match by dragging out his actual potential and teaching him other tricks. Goku was satisfied knowing he found the right person and met the expectation of the "Strong person he kept tabs on". You have one line which is a maybe and can easily be thrown away. He mentions that their is a strong fighter (expectation), and he might be a contender for the championship (guess). He got his expectation of the strong fighter who was reincarnated from Boo. That line you mention is a guess, not an expectation. The line I posted is a clear expectation considering Goku mentions the tabs he kept, and only says he is a strong fighter. Why would he be so special if Vegeta was stronger. Goku was after the potential Oob had. Your quote was a mere guess. My quote actually has Goku point out a strong opponent with input.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Oob easily could have not demonstrated his full ability. Here Goku can sense it and says he fighting someone who seems incredible and could be a formidable fighter. This was his expectation. He came because he felt someone who is strong and he doesn't tell Vegeta here he is Boo level.

Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P2.4-8
Context: Vegeta asks Goku why he’s entering the next Tenkaichi Budoukai
Goku: “Because someone’s entering who seems incredible! I’ve had my eye on him for awhile, and he came to the tournament grounds this morning.”
Vegeta: “What!? …I don’t feel any ki that strong…”
Goku: “He’s completely suppressing his ki now. ..But somehow I can tell…that he’s definitely strong…”
Vegeta: “…Hmph, are you joking? There’s no way a guy like that could exist…Don’t tell me he’s an alien!?”
Goku: “Nope, he’s an Earthling.”
Bulma: “Huh!? That’s impossible.”


Goku doesn't even consider his match with Oob proper. He wants to bring out Oob's talent and have a real fight.

Goku: “Hey, Oob. Once your training is complete, we’ll have a match again, properly this time! [ ] To tell the truth, this is my number one objective!”

You do realize a "proper match" just means he want Uub to know what he is doing rather just fight in bursts of power. Goku straight up says he wanted to see his true power and its just as amazing as he thought it would be so he clearly is not disappointed. He though he might be stronger than Good Buu and later says he is just as strong as he though he was. Uub being at full power is irreverent since he is just as strong as he thought he was and he thought he might be stronger than Good Buu.

He wanted a proper match by dragging out his actual potential and teaching him other tricks. Goku was satisfied knowing he found the right person and met the expectation of the "Strong person he kept tabs on". You have one line which is a maybe and can easily be thrown away. He mentions that their is a strong fighter (expectation), and he might be a contender for the championship (guess). He got his expectation of the strong fighter who was reincarnated from Boo. That line you mention is a guess, not an expectation. The line I posted is a clear expectation considering Goku mentions the tabs he kept, and only says he is a strong fighter. Why would he be so special if Vegeta was stronger. Goku was after the potential Oob had.

Goku also expected him to be stronger than Good Buu. Why do you keep avoiding this?

[dbzfan7]

Oob easily could have not demonstrated his full ability. Here Goku can sense it and says he fighting someone who seems incredible and could be a formidable fighter. This was his expectation. He came because he felt someone who is strong and he doesn't tell Vegeta here he is Boo level.

Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P2.4-8
Context: Vegeta asks Goku why he’s entering the next Tenkaichi Budoukai
Goku: “Because someone’s entering who seems incredible! I’ve had my eye on him for awhile, and he came to the tournament grounds this morning.”
Vegeta: “What!? …I don’t feel any ki that strong…”
Goku: “He’s completely suppressing his ki now. ..But somehow I can tell…that he’s definitely strong…”
Vegeta: “…Hmph, are you joking? There’s no way a guy like that could exist…Don’t tell me he’s an alien!?”
Goku: “Nope, he’s an Earthling.”
Bulma: “Huh!? That’s impossible.”



Goku: “Hey, Oob. Once your training is complete, we’ll have a match again, properly this time! [ ] To tell the truth, this is my number one objective!”

Goku doesn't even consider his match with Oob proper. He wants to bring out Oob's talent and have a real fight.

Goku also expected him to be stronger than Good Buu. Why do you keep avoiding this?

That was a mere guess. The quote I showed you was the actual expectation. Goku only expected a strong fighter. If he was that strong he would have told Vegeta in a positive way that he rivals Boo. Instead we have a loose maybe quote that is not an expectation. If it was he would have said there was a competitor that rivals us instead of there is a competitor who might rival us. Why do you take a maybe guess over an actual expectation?

[Saiga]

Goku thinks Uub might win against Good Buu because he EXPECTS him to have great power. Later he is just as Amazing as he EXPECTED. There really isnt anything to interpret here. Its boldly stated that Uub > Good Buu. Then Goku seems to be equal to or stronger than him in base. Furthermore I see no reason to assume that Goku thinks Uub is weaker than Kid Buu. I also see no reason for him to be weaker than Kid Buu in general. He is Buu incarnate and should be just as strong.

It is simply not stated. Your interpretation IS an interpretation, and yes, there are other interpretations. Oob is weaker than Pure Boo because his power is dormant, that's why it begins being drawn out by his anger, just like Gohan.

I'm not expecting you to change your mind about Oob and base Goku's strength. I'm just asking you to accept the validity of my standing.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Oob easily could have not demonstrated his full ability. Here Goku can sense it and says he fighting someone who seems incredible and could be a formidable fighter. This was his expectation. He came because he felt someone who is strong and he doesn't tell Vegeta here he is Boo level.

Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P2.4-8
Context: Vegeta asks Goku why he’s entering the next Tenkaichi Budoukai
Goku: “Because someone’s entering who seems incredible! I’ve had my eye on him for awhile, and he came to the tournament grounds this morning.”
Vegeta: “What!? …I don’t feel any ki that strong…”
Goku: “He’s completely suppressing his ki now. ..But somehow I can tell…that he’s definitely strong…”
Vegeta: “…Hmph, are you joking? There’s no way a guy like that could exist…Don’t tell me he’s an alien!?”
Goku: “Nope, he’s an Earthling.”
Bulma: “Huh!? That’s impossible.”



Goku: “Hey, Oob. Once your training is complete, we’ll have a match again, properly this time! [ ] To tell the truth, this is my number one objective!”

Goku doesn't even consider his match with Oob proper. He wants to bring out Oob's talent and have a real fight.

Goku also expected him to be stronger than Good Buu. Why do you keep avoiding this?

That was a mere guess. The quote I showed you was the actual expectation. Goku only expected a strong fighter. If he was that strong he would have told Vegeta in a positive way that he rivals Boo. Instead we have a loose maybe quote that is not an expectation. If it was he would have said there was a competitor that rivals us instead of there is a competitor who might rival us. Why do you take a maybe guess over an actual expectation?

Goku not only expected a stronger fighter he expected him to be stronger than everyone at the Tournament. Umm Goku says Uub is just as amazing as he expected and since he thought he might be stronger than Good Buu, clearly his expectations were that he is stronger than Good Buu. Seriously its right there.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Seriously lets just drop this conversation. I think its obvious what Toriyama is going for here but whatever. Seriously I dont want to be here all night.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The way I see the Oob care, Raged Oob really was almost as strong as Pure Boo, but not base Goku. During their short fight, Oob slowly drew more and more power, until his Kiai, when he unleashed his full power (even his eyes turned red). After that moment, Goku was impressed, and took Oob with him away. I don't take Toriyama's words about Goku being number one literally, since I don't believe he can surpass Ultimate Gohan ever. Goku was a very skilled character (unlike Gohan) and a fighting genius (unlike Gohan). He managed to beat Boo when he was weaker than him (due to low ki), while Gohan was a lot stronger than Evil Boo, and still failed. And as for Gotenks, you know why he is a failure. Gohan turned out as a failure as well. Goku didn't. That's why he is ranked number #1.

Obviously, the statement for Super Saiyan 3 got retconed, at least for the anime.

And/or, it's just a pretty generic statement that was used to describe most, if not all, of the power-ups and transformations that Gokuu and his friends underwent throughout the series, such as the Super God Water, Saichorou's dormant power-unleashing, Kaiouken, all the Super Saiyan stages (including Grade II and III), Bobbodi's awakening, etc. Heck, Gohan gets his hidden power drawn out twice, and I don't doubt that, if the plot needed it and/or Toriyama wanted to continue the story after the Boo arc, he would've had it done to him a fourth time. And that's not even counting Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 transformation at the Cell Games, touted by Gokuu and the story itself to be his "big awakening" that was meant to finish Cell off and cement Gohan's place as Gokuu's successor. Then, in the following arc, both Gokuu and Vegeta attained Gohan's "special unique form", and Gohan was quickly pushed into the shadows while Gokuu reached a new plateau of power in the form of yet another Super Saiyan form, and eventually defeated the main villain, returning to his "rightful" spot as the main character (to be honest, Gohan was pretty much back to being "number two" when Gokuu mentioned returning to the 25th TB).

The Grand Elder never said that he draws one's dormant power to its limits, he just draws dormant power. Same for the Super Saiyan forms. Correct me if I'm wrong, but only Super Saiyan 3 & 4 are stated to draw one's dormant power to its limits, while Ultimate draws beyond its limits.

[dbzfan7]

Oob easily could have not demonstrated his full ability. Here Goku can sense it and says he fighting someone who seems incredible and could be a formidable fighter. This was his expectation. He came because he felt someone who is strong and he doesn't tell Vegeta here he is Boo level.

Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P2.4-8
Context: Vegeta asks Goku why he’s entering the next Tenkaichi Budoukai
Goku: “Because someone’s entering who seems incredible! I’ve had my eye on him for awhile, and he came to the tournament grounds this morning.”
Vegeta: “What!? …I don’t feel any ki that strong…”
Goku: “He’s completely suppressing his ki now. ..But somehow I can tell…that he’s definitely strong…”
Vegeta: “…Hmph, are you joking? There’s no way a guy like that could exist…Don’t tell me he’s an alien!?”
Goku: “Nope, he’s an Earthling.”
Bulma: “Huh!? That’s impossible.”



Goku: “Hey, Oob. Once your training is complete, we’ll have a match again, properly this time! [ ] To tell the truth, this is my number one objective!”

Goku doesn't even consider his match with Oob proper. He wants to bring out Oob's talent and have a real fight.

Goku also expected him to be stronger than Good Buu. Why do you keep avoiding this?

That was a mere guess. The quote I showed you was the actual expectation. Goku only expected a strong fighter. If he was that strong he would have told Vegeta in a positive way that he rivals Boo. Instead we have a loose maybe quote that is not an expectation. If it was he would have said there was a competitor that rivals us instead of there is a competitor who might rival us. Why do you take a maybe guess over an actual expectation?

Goku not only expected a stronger fighter he expected him to be stronger than everyone at the Tournament. Umm Goku says Uub is just as amazing as he expected and since he thought he might be stronger than Good Buu, clearly his expectations were that he is stronger than Good Buu. Seriously its right there.

Your interpreting off a guess. Goku said he expected a strong fighter. I am going off based on the fight itself, and Goku's actual expectation that he didn't say might or maybe to. He was confident he was getting a strong fighter. He guessed he may be Good Boo level. He call his fight with him improper. He expected a strong fight. He got a good fight but it was improper and not what he wanted. He even says his intention was to bring out Oob's true power. I don't see how one line that he guessed changes everything.

[In Brightest Day]

I have a few fights:

Grey Buu vs. Vegeta (after being brought back to life in the Buu arc).

Grandpa Gohan vs. Cymbal.

Van Zant and Smitty vs. Colonel Silver.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

Evill Boo wins by far.

Cymbal easily.

Who are Van Zant and Smitty?

[In Brightest Day]

Who are Van Zant and Smitty?

The two gunmen who attempted to murder Buu, Mr. Satan and Bee.

[Saiga]

I have a few fights:

Grey Buu vs. Vegeta (after being brought back to life in the Buu arc).

Grandpa Gohan vs. Cymbal.

Van Zant and Smitty vs. Colonel Silver.

Grey Boo, with ease.

Cymbal, again with ease.

Van Zant and Smitty, definitely. They wounded Mr. Satan.

[Mjb1985]

Considering that Good Buu is way ahead of Vegeta , and Evil Buu above that, Vegeta has no chance. Perhaps that suicide blast gets the job done though.

Mr. Satan did beat those gunmen up , so we saw that already.

[In Brightest Day]

Considering that Good Buu is way ahead of Vegeta , and Evil Buu above that, Vegeta has no chance. Perhaps that suicide blast gets the job done though.

Fat Buu was far stronger than Vegeta.

Evil Buu and Mr. (Good) Buu were formed after the evil was dispelled from Fat Buu. From what I remember, we don't have any concrete information on how powerful either of the Buus were, other than Mr. Buu not really doing much better against Kid Buu than Vegeta did.