Otherworld Time Vs. Earth Time

[ItsAllGood]

Just a quick one,

Is time in Otherworld classed as a 1:1 standard to Earth's time or, for example, is 100 years in Otherworld classed as 1 year on Earth time? Is any mention made in the Manga regarding this?

I say this because I feel that it would have taken Goku a hell of a long time to ascend to SSJ2 in any respect, and even longer to reach SSJ3.

I'm not saying it would have taken hundreds of thousands of years, but if Vegeta was able to "keep up" to Goku (in terms of SSJ2) in 7 years constant training, how much longer would it have taken for Goku to SSJ3?

Surely he couldn't have ascended TWO levels in only 7 years? Or am I about to be shot down in flames?

[Metrite]

Time obviously moves the same seeing how one year in the afterlife was the same length as one year on Earth(there's nothing ever hinting that they're moving super duper fast, only the same). Goku didn't have more time, he was just better.

[HP]

Remember he had more good adversaries to train with.

[Bejiita]

Goku has always had the potential to reach further than Vegeta anyway. Goku training for 7 years in a place with some much stronger fighters than Vegeta, means Goku could have found it much easier.

Plus the fact that even if time does pass sort of of they don't age, and if they don't age time doesn't pass really, but it does everywhere else, but mainly they can retain their youth to be more healthier, plus being dead allows you to train to much greater extents, you can become seriously injured and still not die, plus the Saiya-Jin Zenkai power must still work even if he is dead since he can become stronger.

And just to clear up Vegeta didn't even come close to being on equal terms with Goku at all, Goku could have easily beat Majin Vegeta but didn't want to crush Vegeta pride, also we wouldn't have got to see a great fight.

[Dayspring]

What frickin' filler was this that Goku had tons of sparring partners all stronger than Vegeta?

Time passes the same and the USSJ levels, ignoring the daizenshuu, are simply failed versions of SSJ2 and SSJ3. Proper SSJ levels are ALL about rage. It makes sense that, after seeing what it takes for Gohan to reach SSJ2, that both Goku and Vegeta could attain SSJ2 in less than a year since both can already go USSJ and are experts at surpassing their own limits. As for SSJ3, he never mastered it, just attained it.

[Duo]

What frickin' filler was this that Goku had tons of sparring partners all stronger than Vegeta?

Time passes the same and the USSJ levels, ignoring the daizenshuu, are simply failed versions of SSJ2 and SSJ3. Proper SSJ levels are ALL about rage. It makes sense that, after seeing what it takes for Gohan to reach SSJ2, that both Goku and Vegeta could attain SSJ2 in less than a year since both can already go USSJ and are experts at surpassing their own limits. As for SSJ3, he never mastered it, just attained it.

Actually, it was filler that made it seem as though Goku dominated the afterlife in terms of skill and power. In the Manga, the possibility for fighters from as strong as Piccolo Daimao all the way up to the strongest Boo is left open.

I am quite inclined to disagree with your theory about Ssj Type 2 and Ssj Type 3 as failed versions of Ssj2 and Ssj3. Otherwise, they would have exhibited much similar traits and similar increases in power, but with the obvious bulk drawback.

And Ssj2 is never stated to require rage - such was just the case for Gohan. I wouldn't doubt that Goku and Vegeta simply achieved it through intense training.

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Time passes the same in the Afterlife, but it "doesn't mean much" there, according to Goku, which is why he could hold Ssj3 without any kind of punishment in the Afterlife, but have his time cut down tons for doing it on Earth.

I guess that means Time is similar to money...?

[TheMajinRedComet]

Goku gave vegeta everything he had outside of SSJ3. As SSJ2's goku and vegeta were equals...nuff said. Goku doesn’t have more potential then vegeta he is just the main character and gets benefits like the out of know where SSJ3, which is nothing but fan service. At least there was a way to attain SSJ4.

[WhatTheDarn]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Enma sends Vegeta to Earth to fight Buu because he's "The strongest person in the afterlife," right? And even if he didn't directly say that, it's implied by the fact that he specifically chose Vegeta to go to Earth.

[Dayspring]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Enma sends Vegeta to Earth to fight Buu because he's "The strongest person in the afterlife," right? And even if he didn't directly say that, it's implied by the fact that he specifically chose Vegeta to go to Earth.

This part doesn't even matter. Rou Kaioshin says that Goku and Vegeta are "two of the top three in all the cosmos - living world and afterlife." The other person at this point is refering either to Gohan or Majin Buu (after having absorbed Gohan). Either way, this indicates that after Goku, Vegeta is the strongest being in existence.

[t-bone135]

Is it true that the only time Vegeta has ever been stronger then Goku was after he came out of the RoSaT? I felt this sort of tied in; sorry if it doesn't.

[TheMajinRedComet]

Hey he was much stronger then Goku in their first fight of coarse I’m counting ape form. I also think he was stronger then Goku in his regular form, because the only time when goku was in control of the fight was when he was using Kio Kenwhich is only temporary. Correct me if I’m wrong... someone should really change the title of this topic to something more fitting if we don’t get back on topic soon.

[Rocketman]

Basically:

Saiyan/Early Namek Saga - Vegeta
Fighting Ginyu Force - Goku
Between Vegeta taking a nap and Goku healing - Vegeta
Goku healing on Namek until Vegeta goes SSJ - Goku
SSJ Vegeta until FPSSJ Goku - Vegeta

[t-bone135]

Basically:

Saiyan/Early Namek Saga - Vegeta
Fighting Ginyu Force - Goku
Between Vegeta taking a nap and Goku healing - Vegeta
Goku healing on Namek until Vegeta goes SSJ - Goku
SSJ Vegeta until FPSSJ Goku - Vegeta

Thanks for suming that up.

Back on topic, I can't say what hasn't been said already, but time doesn't seem to pass any differently in other world. That's about it, really, and everyone else has covered why already, so that's all folks.

Or is it? *twilight zone theme*

[Bejiita]

What frickin' filler was this that Goku had tons of sparring partners all stronger than Vegeta?

That was a slip up.

I always assumed Pikon who defeated Cell easily was stronger than Vegeta, then I remember Olive fighting Pikon and them being near equal so I made an assumption. My mistake. Since it's all filler.

[Dayspring]

Just a quick one,

Is time in Otherworld classed as a 1:1 standard to Earth's time or, for example, is 100 years in Otherworld classed as 1 year on Earth time? Is any mention made in the Manga regarding this?

I say this because I feel that it would have taken Goku a hell of a long time to ascend to SSJ2 in any respect, and even longer to reach SSJ3.

I'm not saying it would have taken hundreds of thousands of years, but if Vegeta was able to "keep up" to Goku (in terms of SSJ2) in 7 years constant training, how much longer would it have taken for Goku to SSJ3?

Surely he couldn't have ascended TWO levels in only 7 years? Or am I about to be shot down in flames?

Not everday do I get to contradict myself, but NO, time does not pass EXACTLY on a 1:1 scale. Time is "shorter" in the living world in terms of energy consumption. Goku states this when he tells Piccolo why normally he can only go SSJ3 in Heaven and why Dende healing him wouldn't affect his lost energy. It's also possibly the reason why he lost so much of his remaining time on Earth.

So although one day in the afterlife is the same as one day in the living world, energy gets used up at a slower rate in the afterlife.