Death Battle! Goku VS Superman Disscussion Thread

[dbzfan7]

The inconsistencies I talk about are when Superman states what he is capable of when at another point he is capable of more. He even says he isn't faster then light when sometimes he is. That is not holding back when he himself states this. When he states his muscle reactions weren't fast enough to save people who were shot at.

DBZ has one writer for the main story and another for filler and such. Superman has many writers that have different view points on what Superman is capable of. Goku is pretty constant with his feats. However this isn't an important topic of discussion since Screwattack is combining the modern continuities all into one Superman. They are also using all the content of Dragon Ball unless it specifically contradicts the manga. From what I've seen so far this fight could go either way but SSJ2 Goku is too much for Superman with an average amount of solar radiation based on the first half of the battle. Goku still has 40x that amount of Ki in reserves. However being exposed really closely to the sun has only multiplied Superman's power by 3 from what I've seen in the analysis so based on that Goku has the victory for now.

You saw part of the battle already?

Yes. Watch the Goku anlysis, on the Kanzenshuu homepage, and then toward the end of that video you will see a video of an interview with Wiz and Boomstick. At about 29 minutes the first half of the battle will be shown.

Just saw it and it was awesome. Seems Supes is sun dipping which will triple his strength. I don't see how they would kill each other. Their Morales seem to be showing and they are nice to each other. So ending in death may be weird. Also Masako should really do more normal Goku roles, when he doesn't exaggerate how stupid Goku is in DBZA he does a really good job, he might be my favourite english voice now.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Even if Goku dies we always have the dragon balls . Goku would probably revive Superman if he won though.

[TonyTheTiger]

The inconsistencies I talk about are when Superman states what he is capable of when at another point he is capable of more. He even says he isn't faster then light when sometimes he is. That is not holding back when he himself states this. When he states his muscle reactions weren't fast enough to save people who were shot at.

It could be. Remember that a lot his restraint is subconscious. Plus, for a real world answer, a lot of it has to do with the writers not so much being inconsistent, but rather just not always knowing what they're talking about. The Flash example above where he was stated to be going "just under the speed of light" despite performing a feat that puts him many times faster than it. But how many of these guys do you think actually do the calculations? Seems to me they have him performing some feat, figure the reader needs a frame of reference, and use "speed of light" as an example of suitably impressive speed.

Plus, remember that these comics aren't just handed off to writers who are told "go for it" and whatever they say goes. There are centralized editors in place specifically to address problems that might creep up. Whether or not they do their jobs well is up to the reader but I think the idea that Superman comics since 1986 have been grossly more inconsistent and nonsensical than Dragon Ball is an unfair accusation.

[rereboy]

I remember Superman (the main version from the 90s I believe) not being able to catch up to a missile which was headed for Jimmy Olsen (they were all in metropolis, including the missile) and that would kill him. But another super being intercepted it, saving him. And of course, the missile was nowhere as fast as lightspeed.

[Hellspawn28]

Only one more day to go. I can't wait since this is the closet thing we will get to a real Goku vs. Superman fight since a official crossover will likely never happen.

[dbzfan7]

The inconsistencies I talk about are when Superman states what he is capable of when at another point he is capable of more. He even says he isn't faster then light when sometimes he is. That is not holding back when he himself states this. When he states his muscle reactions weren't fast enough to save people who were shot at.

It could be. Remember that a lot his restraint is subconscious. Plus, for a real world answer, a lot of it has to do with the writers not so much being inconsistent, but rather just not always knowing what they're talking about. The Flash example above where he was stated to be going "just under the speed of light" despite performing a feat that puts him many times faster than it. But how many of these guys do you think actually do the calculations? Seems to me they have him performing some feat, figure the reader needs a frame of reference, and use "speed of light" as an example of suitably impressive speed.

Plus, remember that these comics aren't just handed off to writers who are told "go for it" and whatever they say goes. There are centralized editors in place specifically to address problems that might creep up. Whether or not they do their jobs well is up to the reader but I think the idea that Superman comics since 1986 have been grossly more inconsistent and nonsensical than Dragon Ball is an unfair accusation.

Yeah the law of writers is what makes things tough. I personally prefer one writer through one series. Reboots, alternate universes, etc would be a lot easier and more straight forward.

Only one more day to go. I can't wait since this is the closet thing we will get to a real Goku vs. Superman fight since a official crossover will likely never happen.

Technically it happened in wizard magazine. Though it was Majin Superman.

[Scarz]

If they're going with Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman, my bets on big blue.

Technically it happened in wizard magazine. Though it was Majin Superman.

Do you mean this one?

[dbzfan7]

If they're going with Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman, my bets on big blue.

Technically it happened in wizard magazine. Though it was Majin Superman.

Do you mean this one?

That's the one, though I may have confused it for one where monster rabbit turns supes into a carrot.

Anyways you can see the preview of half the battle on kanzenshuu. TheMightyOzaru posted what to do.

[Hellspawn28]

I forgot about that issue for a moment. I think that issue of Wizard is the thing that started the whole Goku vs. Superman debate.

[TonyTheTiger]

"Kaioken!"

"Kaio-what?"

[Hellspawn28]

Anyone know what time it will be uploaded today?

[VegettoEX]

They don't have a set time. Done when it's done and ready.

[destro4thewin]

Guys they count GT and filler so the battle is already finished and Goku won.In GT-movie 13 Goku uses the Dragon Fist, he turns himself into a dragon.Shenlong=Magical creature.
Thats enough magic power for me.

Superman is pretty strong but if magical attacks can hurt him then he can't win against Dragon Fist

[TheDevilsCorpse]

He doesn't turn himself into anything... He creates a ki attack that looks like, but is not actually Shenlong, meaning it's not magical.

[VegettoEX]

The exact translation of the technique's entry we gave them from Daizenshuu #7:

The new special attack which Super Saiyan 3 Goku used to defeat the phantom majin Hildegarn in the movie "Dragon Fist Explosion!!~". Battle ki raised to stupendous heights explodes from out of Goku's outstretched fist. Goku's battle ki appeared as a golden, shining dragon, and after piercing through Hildegarn's body, it coiled around Hildegarn and annihilated it through this formidable power.

[destro4thewin]

The exact translation of the technique's entry we gave them from Daizenshuu #7:

The new special attack which Super Saiyan 3 Goku used to defeat the phantom majin Hildegarn in the movie "Dragon Fist Explosion!!~". Battle ki raised to stupendous heights explodes from out of Goku's outstretched fist. Goku's battle ki appeared as a golden, shining dragon, and after piercing through Hildegarn's body, it coiled around Hildegarn and annihilated it through this formidable power.

But Hildegarn isn't magical creature?It's name is majin Hildegarn (isn't majin suppose to mean demon?).Ok maybe it is not clear if Hildegarn can be defeated by simply punching him but really i prefer to talk about the battle than waiting for a video.
Ok i want Goku and i will be dissapointed if he loses but at least i hope for a good battle.
Also thanks Mike for the info.Seriously these daizenshuus should someday be translated i want them so much but again i don't want just to look at them i want full hardcore Toriyama translations!!!

[VegettoEX]

Hildegarn was definitely a magical being, but nothing written there about the Dragon Fist technique suggests it as an actual technique is magical.

[Bussani]

Buu was also a majin (demon/magical being), and Yakon was a majuu (demon/magical beast). Both of them were killed without magic.

[Hellspawn28]

ItsJustSomeRandomGuy uploaded this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeUTpvjZ ... e=youtu.be

[destro4thewin]

Buu was also a majin (demon/magical being), and Yakon was a majuu (demon/magical beast). Both of them were killed without magic.

Yep indeed they were both destroyed by pure ki.Seriously Buu got destroyed by Vegeta's final explosion, Gotenks kamikazi and survived but spirit bomb that uses earths pure energy destroyed him....hmmm i don't know.

Also Buu is indeed a magical creature cause when Vegetto got inside him he defused.Potara's are magical items and somehow Buu's body stopped them from working (i don't remember if they could still use them if they got out.In the Greek dub they said they could but maybe that is a translation error).