The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[dbzfan7]

Meh, I still say bullets can help determine who is stronger.

Anyways

SSJ Goku vs SSJ Gohan (during Cell Games)

We know Gohan wins but the real question is how much stronger is SSJ Gohan, I only think he is a little-somewhat stronger. I don't think he was that far above Goku.

[Rocketman]

What kind of fight is it? If Gohan's not into the spirit, Goku might be able to knock him down and out.

[dbzfan7]

What kind of fight is it? If Gohan's not into the spirit, Goku might be able to knock him down and out.

It's more of asking power levels. I suggested it here instead of making a pointless secondary thread. I'm asking how much stronger is SSJ Gohan. I personally think there wasn't much of a gap.

[Kaboom]

In terms of just power, Gohan is clearly and definitely stronger. I'd say Goku is something like 3/4 of his son's power or so.

In terms of an actual battle, Goku would probably win because Gohan's a wuss without proper motivation.

[In Brightest Day]

Tao Pai Pai vs. Nail.

They are at equal power levels.

[hleV]

Tao Pai Pai vs. Nail.

They are at equal power levels.

While Nail is a from the Warrior clan, Tao Pai Pai is not only strong but also appears to have some nice techniques behind his sleeve. So unless Nail pulled off some incredible ki attack, I'd give this to Tao Pai Pai. Perhaps to his Dodonpa.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Gotta give it to Tao. While Nail doesn't exactly show any impressive skill, I still believe the fact that he was a warrior that received special training is enough to imply he has good fighting skills. Still, with everything Tao's shown, I have to give it to him. Nail's regeneration would likely surprise him, but since they're at the same level, it'll surely drain his Chi. So Tao wins.

[hleV]

I think people give Yamcha too little credit only because he happened to lose most of his battles, not counting that he was either outmatched in strength or just very unlucky.

[Saiga]

Vegeta's a fighting genius, Yamcha isn't. Earthling martial arts is highly overrated, and at even power levels Vegeta would still stomp Yamcha into the ground.

From the Cell Games Goku vs Gohan, Gohan was a clear advantage in power but assuming this is a "bloodlusted" fight then Goku gets the crap kicked out of him until he can pull of a Warp Kamehameha and then he wins.

[Perfect]

Super 17 versus Cell (with GT Goku inside him).

If it's too one sided on either side, Post-Zenkai Cell versus Super 17 (equal battle powers).

[Saiga]

Super 17 versus Cell (with GT Goku inside him).

If it's too one sided on either side, Post-Zenkai Cell versus Super 17.

Post-Zenkai Cell wouldn't stand a chance against Super 17. 17 wouldn't even need to absorb his energy to overpower him.

Cell with Goku, however, would put up a much better fight. I think it's likely he'd have the upper hand until Goku crawls out and one-shots both of them.

[Perfect]

Super 17 versus Cell (with GT Goku inside him).

If it's too one sided on either side, Post-Zenkai Cell versus Super 17.

Post-Zenkai Cell wouldn't stand a chance against Super 17. 17 wouldn't even need to absorb his energy to overpower him.

Cell with Goku, however, would put up a much better fight. I think it's likely he'd have the upper hand until Goku crawls out and one-shots both of them.

Yikes, for the latter I meant with equal battle powers. Dunno how I forgot that.

[Saiga]

Super 17 versus Cell (with GT Goku inside him).

If it's too one sided on either side, Post-Zenkai Cell versus Super 17.

Post-Zenkai Cell wouldn't stand a chance against Super 17. 17 wouldn't even need to absorb his energy to overpower him.

Cell with Goku, however, would put up a much better fight. I think it's likely he'd have the upper hand until Goku crawls out and one-shots both of them.

Yikes, for the latter I meant with equal battle powers. Dunno how I forgot that.

Ohhhh... well, that's a completely different story then. Super 17 still has two big advantages, though - his barrier and his generator (actually, does that work the same way for Super 17?). Since 17 can absorb any energy based attacks, that means Cell can't finish him off quickly with a Warp Kamehameha or something, since he still needs to charge his blast beforehand which would tip 17 off. Limited to using physical attacks, 17 would be able to wear him down - if he works like the old 17 in the power department - and claim victory. Super 17 is quite broken when you think about it, combining the perks of both Android types.

Cell's best bet is to fire an energy attack, then Shunkan-Ido right infront of 17 and start laying into him while he's off guard from his barrier posing. Whether this would work depends on whether you're applying the GT logic of 17 having ki that can be sensed.

[Perfect]

I'm really not at all familiar with GT, I just know the basic outline of the plot, so how Super 17 works is a mystery to me (sans the whole improved Gero energy stealing device). Since they'd be roughly equal, I wonder if he'd be able to absorb a Kienzan? If not, It'd be a pretty easy win for Cell if he could land one or two. If all was lost though, I can see Cell taking the coward's way out and teleporting to some distant land to recover and think of a strategy, or get desperate and blow up the planet, which I don't think would do Super 17 in.

From what I recall, he ate up a x10 Kamehameha, which made him stronger. I don't know if there was a mechanical deficit that banked on Goku giving him power, but that'd certainly be a factor. He died because #18 distracted him, allowing Goku to use a Dragon Fist right through him, as my foggy memory tells me. Something like that. In that case, wouldn't a Taiyo-ken and chi charged punch do the trick? Then that beckons the question of whether or not he'd be able to absorb the chi from a melee attack, rather blindly in defense or not.

Outside of Tenkaichi 3 I don't know his moveset. He has a machine gun attack, so hundreds of tiny chi pellets being streamed into Cell... wouldn't look pretty, and could definitely stun him to the point of allowing a finishing blow. Then there's that Death Ball like thing he had, which I'm assuming is just his signature finishing move, which wouldn't be anything more to worry about than a charged Kamehameha, unless he couldn't dodge it for whatever reason (it's pretty small in the games, and in GT, albeit he may not have finished charging it in the latter).

[Saiga]

I'm guessing he could absorb a Kienzan since it's still a ki attack and he absorbs them before they touch him, but I totally forgot about the Taiyo-ken. And I think every fan know that the Taiyo-ken + Kienzan combo would be deadly if only someone would think to use it.

[Mjb1985]

Goku is having a hell of a hard time hitting Gohan. That same Cell is having a hell of a hard time hitting Gohan. I doubt Goku would even be able to land one blow onto Gohan. The IT Kamehameha is still a possibility though. If not, Gohan would take Goku out rather easily.

[Perfect]

Cell's power was a notch above them both, hence why Gohan bled. Goku would have a looooooot harder of a time hitting Gohan than Cell did.

[Mjb1985]

I don't know if I would say that. Would you say that Android 19 is superior to Super Saiyan Vegeta because he made Vegeta bleed?

After Gohan tells Cell about how he loses control and gets mad, Cell wants to really give it to Gohan and make him mad. Cell goes on the offensive and ends up getting knocked on his ass. Cell seems frustrated and decides to use a different tactic to get Gohan mad.

See , initially, Cell thinks that causing Gohan pain would get him mad. So that's his intention here.

Super Saiyan Gohan is at least on par with Cell , perhaps even a bit superior , based on how you want to take Cell's frustration in not being able to damage Gohan at first.

There is a reason why Cell stopped trying to bring it to Gohan with a hand to hand battle and instead opted to use more of a strategy to hurt Gohan.

[Saiga]

Gohan thought Goku and Cell were holding back because they were weaker than him. I think that's pretty conclusive.

Of course, Cell was holding back, so he could have been using more power against Gohan and have been superior in that case.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Meh, I still say bullets can help determine who is stronger.

Anyways

SSJ Goku vs SSJ Gohan (during Cell Games)

We know Gohan wins but the real question is how much stronger is SSJ Gohan, I only think he is a little-somewhat stronger. I don't think he was that far above Goku.

I think SSJ Gohan is 1.2x stronger than SSJ Goku so not too much stronger.