Full Power Super Saiyan Multiplier?

[Bussani]

How about this theory : SSJ Base is x 50 normal state base.
As you train to achieve FPSSJ, your SSJ increase becomes greater : x65,x75, and so on... Until you reach x100 which is SSJ2.

Wouldn't that make the jump from (Full Power) Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan 2 even less impressive than it already is?

[Mystic Gohan]

I have always used 10x multiplier.

[Dabooyaka]

50x base.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I have always used 10x multiplier.

And it makes zero sense.

[TheMightyOzaru]

A 10x multiplier can work if Kaioken dropped in power but I doubt that.

[Mystic Gohan]

I have always used 10x multiplier.

And it makes zero sense.

"I wrote the manga with a 10x multiplier in mind" - Akira Toriyama. Makes no sense?

[TheMightyOzaru]

I have always used 10x multiplier.

And it makes zero sense.

"I wrote the manga with a 10x multiplier in mind" - Akira Toriyama. Makes no sense?

That makes no sense at the time he wrote it because Kaioken x20 multiplies the battle power by 20. SSJ would be inferior if it was 10x especially since Kaioken x20 only barely hurt Frieza.

[Fox666]

I have always used 10x multiplier.

And it makes zero sense.

"I wrote the manga with a 10x multiplier in mind" - Akira Toriyama. Makes no sense?

He never said that, Toriyama only said it was hard to picture fifty times on his mind and he draw it with the sense of ten times. That's very different of saying that it was ten times.

[Mystic Gohan]

And it makes zero sense.

"I wrote the manga with a 10x multiplier in mind" - Akira Toriyama. Makes no sense?

That makes no sense at the time he wrote it because Kaioken x20 multiplies the battle power by 20. SSJ would be inferior if it was 10x especially since Kaioken x20 only barely hurt Freeza.

Oh it is a 50x multiplier in the Freeza saga IMO, but there is some evidence in the Android saga that the multiplier has changed by this point.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

there is some evidence in the Android saga that the multiplier has changed by this point.

What evidence?

[Enbi]

When Base Vegeta shows up and knocks No. 19 off of Goku, No. 20 claims that he'll make things a little more interesting, whereas he refers to the others (Gohan, the humans, and Piccolo while suppressing) as 'pesky flies' (Viz translation, btw). Implies Base Vegeta > Suppressed Piccolo > The rest (he later calls Piccolo the 2nd strongest). Later on, after absorbing Vegeta's blast, he claims that by absorbing the power of Piccolo (while still suppressed), Tien, Kururin, and Gohan, he'd be able to defeat Vegeta. Thinking about this numerically, the absorptions would have to bring him up to range where he can at least hold his own against Vegeta long enough to get a little more chi, and then take the fight. If you have the SSJ multiplier as high as 50x, it's impossible to make this work, all things considered.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Which would mean that either it's plot hole or Dr. Gero's calculations were off, again. Maybe the multiplier could drop in Cell Games, or Boo arc, because Goku & co. could have drawn more of their dormant power by training, but during early Artificial Humans arc? No, just no. Zero sense in my book.

[Mystic Gohan]

Gero's automatically wrong for no good reason whatsoever? Nice.

[Kaboom]

Gero's automatically wrong for no good reason whatsoever? Nice.

Snarky attitude? Nice. Oh wait, no it isn't. Be careful.

Anyway, Gero was wrong about pretty much everything up to that point. Not hard to believe he'd be wrong about his fool-proof plan to overpower an 18-wheeler truck with the combined power of 3 matchbox cars.

[Enbi]

Which would mean that either it's plot hole or Dr. Gero's calculations were off, again. Maybe the multiplier could drop in Cell Games, or Boo arc, because Goku & co. could have drawn more of their dormant power by training, but during early Artificial Humans arc? No, just no. Zero sense in my book.

That really doesn't matter. I don't have any problems with others disregarding it, personally, but it doesn't make any sense to. If Toriyama wants to correct a statement, he will. Maybe this is what he meant by seeing 50x hard to fit in or whatever? A stretch, given his memory, but who knows?

In any case, the Kaio-ken and Oozaru were never seen again after that, so they don't hold much relevancy to whatever to multiplier might be later on IMO. There's no plausible explanation, so I can see where you're coming from, but the plot requires it to be that way.

But oh well, I don't make so big a deal out of this, I just prefer to go with it.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Gero's automatically wrong for no good reason whatsoever? Nice.

I don't believe that Vegeta showed his full power for Gero to make the correct calculations to defeat Vegeta when he is in full power. Piccolo wasn't sure if Vegeta was stronger than Goku, and if Vegeta had showed his full power, Piccolo should know the definite answer if Vegeta really is stronger or not, since Piccolo knows Goku's full power because they were training together for 3 years.

[Saiga]

Gero being wrong makes more sense than the Super Saiyan multiplier suddenly changing. After all, he fell for Vegeta's bluff, so clearly he isn't the best judge of other character's powers.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think Piccolo wasn't sure if Vegeta was stronger mainly because their powers were more close than not. When they fly off to find Gero (after he uses his diversion against Bulma), Piccolo seems more sure of Vegeta's upperhand on Goku:

Chapter: 348 (DBZ 154), P5.5
Context: after Vegeta leaves to fight No.17 and No.18
Piccolo: “…But…It seems that Vegeta really has obtained power surpassing Goku now that he’s become a Super Saiyan…He just might be able to take care of them like he says…”

Of course, this could just be Piccolo being impressed by his confidence. I think by this point, he just has a better understanding of Vegeta's power.

Like I mentioned before, I believe Gero's power scanner has a limit, so I think his entire plan on obtaining enough power to defeat Vegeta is merely guesswork.

[Mystic Gohan]

Gero's automatically wrong for no good reason whatsoever? Nice.

I don't believe that Vegeta showed his full power for Gero to make the correct calculations to defeat Vegeta when he is in full power. Piccolo wasn't sure if Vegeta was stronger than Goku, and if Vegeta had showed his full power, Piccolo should know the definite answer if Vegeta really is stronger or not, since Piccolo knows Goku's full power because they were training together for 3 years.

Piccolo can't tell who's stronger, because they are so close in power, not because he hasn't gone to full power. He even says later on that Vegeta does have power slightly superior to Goku. Anyway, Gero was right about 19 being able to manage SSjin Goku and he was right about 17 and 18 being able to pummel the SSjin's. Just because someone is wrong once or twice is no reason to discard every statement of his.

[Saiga]

He was only right about 19 because Goku's sickness got the better of him.