Dragonball Z: Saiyan Saga - Help make this happen!

[dragondyle]

Bloopers and Over 9000 scene are here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vU49QNN ... e=g-subs-u

EDIT: Even that was painful to watch.

HE SAID KAIO-KEN RIGHT THERE, WHAT THE ACTUAL CRAP.

Also wow, that was the old armor? Just... wow...

Wow, he did! I'm sure they made him say it the wrong way. I can't believe they actually started shooting with that horrible armor. They fixed it somewhat at least.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

It's so embarrassing! Need I say more?

[Jackal puFF]

LOL, that 9000 scene is priceless! "Vegeta! Vegeta, what's wrong with you!?" HAHA. Pretty sure it was meant to be funny though. I like that kaio-ken take better than the one in the trailer. They could have just cut out the laughing after.

[Saimaroimaru]

Not that bad. Just a very expensive okay trailer. I guess the posters were killing it for me but it turned out better than I thought it would.

[Kuwabara]

Some parts of it looked okay, but for the most part it was pretty laughable. Hard to believe people donated $500,000 or however much to help make it.

[AgitoZ]

Hard to believe people donated $500,000 or however much to help make it.

It's hard to believe because that's no where near what was donated. If that was the budget and that was the product then a lot more people would be up in arms.

[Kuwabara]

Oh, so it was only $5,000. My mistake, it's still pretty funny though. So much hype for a SyFy original movie caliber trailer and stuff like Dragonball Absalon blows my mind. It would be a laugh riot if these guys actually ended up on there.

[DonieZ]

@Pafupafu; Just one question. Why are you so intent on K&K's downfall? Why do you care so much about the fact they had no rights to compose a piece of Dragonball entertainment? Is your hatred fuelled by the fact that the product just wasn't that good, or even if it turned out alright would you still express your recurring anger at the crimes they committed?

I ask because, seriously I just personally don't care that much. Their intentions seem well, let them do what they do.


Anyway. So I saw the trailer when it was released, and as I've already implied I didn't think it was very good. In fact my initial reaction was extreme dissapointment. The reason being is that, and I don't know about you guys, but the information I received from K&K productions was that this was going to be something that you would see on TV during the commercials. It was supposed to be of the same calibur of a high end sci-fi action martial arts movie trailer. And was it? No, no it wasn't. It was, to be put as bluntly as possible, amatuerish.

I wasn't expecting amatuer, I was expecting professional, and perhaps the slipping out my mind of the actual current skill level if this company (making wedding vids etc.), and believing their promise, is what yielded such high expectations. Maybe I just expected too much, but honestly some things, especially the effects, like Krillins Kienzen, was truly sloppy.

After watching the trailer a few more times however in HD another day, I didn't think it was as bad. In fact I actually quite like the choreography for the final Goku/Vegeta fight. Still, overall though I think it was an amatuer piece of production. The acting was amatuer - everything about the camera woman scene annoyed me. The characters were amateur - Piccolo was no way near convinving at all, a joke even. And the effects were outright terrible.

And lastly, anyone who says this is better than DBE is missing why this production is bad. I don't think anyone is arguing about faithfulness, the effects however in DBE, despite the movie's disgusting direction, are legit. It at leasts looks like a movie, and someone who doesn't know DB wouldn't complain.

[VegettoEX]

Pafupafu has explained that he's in the independent film production world, and therefore has an extreme amount of personal background and understanding of how the industry works, and what makes it possible for people to make a legal livelihood creating the art they enjoy so much.

That's a valuable perspective.

[DonieZ]

Pafupafu has explained that he's in the independent film production world, and therefore has an extreme amount of personal background and understanding of how the industry works, and what makes it possible for people to make a legal livelihood creating the art they enjoy so much.

That's a valuable perspective.

Oh, well if that's the case then I suppose he has every right to feel offended if he believes this studio has taken advantage of the people's money. However, I still don't agree with his attitude towards their using of the DB property without permission. I mean, it is against the law, but how 'bad' is it actually? Should the fact that they did without asking make them instantly bad people? If Funimation says yes before or after what difference does it make anyhow? As long as their intentions are well then I don't think permission matters so much. I actually think it's a little bit ill-intented in fact to want them to fall in trouble for not following protocol.

Everything else is legit though, if they aren't using the money as they've been stating then that's a problem. But then again, if you ask me I just reckon that these guys have just been using their expenses ineffeciently. But then I could be wrong. Perhaps hiring a van made them spend a bit, as well as food for the whole crew on the days, their accomodation if they needed it, and some upgrades cost them. Then there's pinewood studios, and ofcourse the place they shot the film. Although, they did say they got it for a reduction somehow, once they explained they weren't a big company. Even then if they didn't get it for free they probably spent quite a bit on it.


Anyhow, I was pretty surprised that they couldn't do more with $15,000. But then again I know nothing about film production.

[Saimaroimaru]

I think he is mad because they were given public money to do this. Otherwise he would of probably ignored it just like the other countless fan made dbz stuff on youtube.

[DonieZ]

I think he is mad because they were given public money to do this. Otherwise he would of probably ignored it just like the other countless fan made dbz stuff on youtube.

So what though? These fans volunteered to give their money, nobody forced them to. These guys even explained explicity who they were and what they wanted to do exactly. On top of that K&K made it no secret that they usually made wedding vids and such, their lack of experience in action/sci-fi film production was known to anyone who cared to take a look. Fault goes to the donors for not doing their research and giving it a think.

Chances are these guys either just weren't very good with their budget planning, or it really all cost that much.

[AgitoZ]

So what though? These fans volunteered to give their money, nobody forced them to. These guys even explained explicity who they were and what they wanted to do exactly. On top of that K&K made it no secret that they usually made wedding vids and such, their lack of experience in action/sci-fi film production was known to anyone who cared to take a look. Fault goes to the donors for not doing their research and giving it a think.

But the donation drive was all done under false pretenses using material that was not their own. I'm no lawyer but that sounds awfully illegal.

[DonieZ]

But the donation drive was all done under false pretenses using material that was not their own. I'm no lawyer but that sounds awfully illegal.

So does it make any less illegal their not using other people's money? Last time I heard using material that wasn't their own period was illegal. If the problem you guys are having is their illegal activity, then why do I feel the implication that people wouldn't care if there was no donated money involved?

As long as these guys havent ill purpose then I say they should do whatever they hell they want to do. ... Just make it good. ...

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

So does it make any less illegal their not using other people's money? Last time I heard using material that wasn't their own period was illegal. If the problem you guys are having is their illegal activity, then why do I feel the implication that people wouldn't care if there was no donated money involved?

As long as these guys havent ill purpose then I say they should do whatever they hell they want to do. ... Just make it good. ...

Well fan work is fan work. The big issue here is that they abused a site designed for creators with original ideas who just need a little money to get it going. From the looks of it, this was a very popular project on the website(and definitely one that got more attention than it deserved) using empty promises and copy righted material. Remember their original promo was nothing but spliced up clips of the anime with Funimations voices. With only that and another video promising to be better than Evolution they got more money than they initially asked for; meanwhile other original ideas and products are getting pushed aside and ignored(whether they are good or not is irrelevant). After all their promises they, at least from my point of view, failed to deliver. I've seen better projects on lower budgets. If they were just two guys who did this on their own and threw it on Youtube like any other fan made movie or trailer...whatever. The problem is they didn't. They asked for money using copyrighted material on a site that's designed for aspiring original artist. I can see why a lot of people would get mad at that; and honestly it's justified.

[Pafupafu]

So does it make any less illegal their not using other people's money? Last time I heard using material that wasn't their own period was illegal. If the problem you guys are having is their illegal activity, then why do I feel the implication that people wouldn't care if there was no donated money involved?

As long as these guys havent ill purpose then I say they should do whatever they hell they want to do. ... Just make it good. ...

Well fan work is fan work. The big issue here is that they abused a site designed for creators with original ideas who just need a little money to get it going. From the looks of it, this was a very popular project on the website(and definitely one that got more attention than it deserved) using empty promises and copy righted material. Remember their original promo was nothing but spliced up clips of the anime with Funimations voices. With only that and another video promising to be better than Evolution they got more money than they initially asked for; meanwhile other original ideas and products are getting pushed aside and ignored(whether they are good or not is irrelevant). After all their promises they, at least from my point of view, failed to deliver. I've seen better projects on lower budgets. If they were just two guys who did this on their own and threw it on Youtube like any other fan made movie or trailer...whatever. The problem is they didn't. They asked for money using copyrighted material on a site that's designed for aspiring original artist. I can see why a lot of people would get mad at that; and honestly it's justified.

Well-said. I agree and this has been my stance from the project's origin. It's a shame that it happened and unlikely that any legal action will be taken when, in this particular case, it should. I just really don't want to see them abuse the site yet again for a follow-up to this extremely lacking video result. It's just good to know that people on this forum, and fans of the abused property, are smart enough to realize this illegal nonsense and are willing to discuss it.

[DonieZ]

So does it make any less illegal their not using other people's money? Last time I heard using material that wasn't their own period was illegal. If the problem you guys are having is their illegal activity, then why do I feel the implication that people wouldn't care if there was no donated money involved?

As long as these guys havent ill purpose then I say they should do whatever they hell they want to do. ... Just make it good. ...

Well fan work is fan work. The big issue here is that they abused a site designed for creators with original ideas who just need a little money to get it going. From the looks of it, this was a very popular project on the website(and definitely one that got more attention than it deserved) using empty promises and copy righted material. Remember their original promo was nothing but spliced up clips of the anime with Funimations voices. With only that and another video promising to be better than Evolution they got more money than they initially asked for; meanwhile other original ideas and products are getting pushed aside and ignored(whether they are good or not is irrelevant). After all their promises they, at least from my point of view, failed to deliver. I've seen better projects on lower budgets. If they were just two guys who did this on their own and threw it on Youtube like any other fan made movie or trailer...whatever. The problem is they didn't. They asked for money using copyrighted material on a site that's designed for aspiring original artist. I can see why a lot of people would get mad at that; and honestly it's justified.

Well those are very good points, can't argue here. If that's what the site is actually for then I suppose one could blame them.

Another question though, say these guys opened up a web page, and asked for donations on that site, like many sites in general do, instead, would your stances be any different at all?


Don't get me wrong though people, I'm really amazed that with over $15,000 this was the best a somewhat experienced film company could do. Pafupafu, you have experience in film production correct? Could a lot more have been done with their funding, and was I and others right to expect something far more amazing with that much $$$? And if so how good could it actually have been (in terms of quality of effects and authenticity/professionalism)?

[Avenged]

Guess what?

http://www.dblegends.com/2013/01/kk-pro ... eeza-saga/

[Gonstead]

Guess what?

http://www.dblegends.com/2013/01/kk-pro ... eeza-saga/

Great, bigger crap that follows the already bad crap.

I didn't give any money for the Saiyan Saga and definitely are not giving it for a Frieza Saga.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I finally caved and tried to watch this thing out of morbid curiosity...and I couldn't even finish it. I think I got about as far as Goku's arrival, right when him and Nappa were about to start fighting, and I just couldn't take it anymore. Ouuuuuccccchhh.

Can't...say I'm gonna care enough to ever finish it or check out this second one, gah. I'd rather Runaways just do more videos.