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Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:10 am

Must admit, that was really nerdy. Had more equations than a MyFavoriteGames thread. :lol: Nah, I liked it.

The fight itself I found surprisingly enjoyable, despite the occasional corny dialogue. Choreography was great and they did a good job of squeezing every ability into the fight, although I'm not surprised that Goku lost. Seriously, Superman is Superman. How on earth did the author create any villains for him to fight? I have a hard time believing that his fellow super pals gave him a good fight at any point without resorting to Kryptonite.

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Post by yakonojo » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:19 am

DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:Must admit, that was really nerdy. Had more equations than a MyFavoriteGames thread. :lol: Nah, I liked it.

The fight itself I found surprisingly enjoyable, despite the occasional corny dialogue. Choreography was great and they did a good job of squeezing every ability into the fight. Although I'm not surprised that Goku lost. Seriously, Superman is Superman. How on earth did the author create any villains for him to fight? I have a hard time believing that his fellow super pals gave him a good fight at any point without resorting to Kryptonite.

PS. Jake "Hujio" Cutler?? :lol: The two halves of Kanzentai become one. :shock:
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Post by Mewzard » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:38 am

DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:Must admit, that was really nerdy. Had more equations than a MyFavoriteGames thread. :lol: Nah, I liked it.

The fight itself I found surprisingly enjoyable, despite the occasional corny dialogue. Choreography was great and they did a good job of squeezing every ability into the fight. Although I'm not surprised that Goku lost. Seriously, Superman is Superman. How on earth did the author create any villains for him to fight? I have a hard time believing that his fellow super pals gave him a good fight at any point without resorting to Kryptonite.

PS. Jake "Hujio" Cutler?? :lol: The two halves of Kanzentai become one. :shock:
While Superman is one of the tougher people on Earth, there are still many forces well beyond even him (There wouldn't need to be a Justice League if Supes could do everything by himself). A well written Darkseid, for instance, should own Supes on any given day (sadly, many writers liked to make him job; didn't help that DC *Sorry, the Source >_>* made Supes immune to the "Being erased from existence" part of the Omega Effect...though I don't know why Darkseid doesn't just use it to teleport Superman into a Supermassive Black Hole while he sleeps or send him back in time to the earliest point in the universe, because he can do that).

There are gods in the DC Universe (and super powered aliens, other Kryptonians somewhere, the various Lanterns, immortal monstrocities, powerful sorcerers, time traveling heroes and villains, demons, living planets, concepts given life, energy absorbing parasites, sentient viruses, psychotic sentient supercomputers, at least one immortal caveman, and countless other beings spread across many different universes), and they don't fall in the same level as most DBZ gods (Heracles, for example, broke Superman's nose in a fight a few years back).

One should look at Superman like the heroes of myth. People loved the tales of Heracles, Achilles, Perseus, despite either functional immortality and/or demigod status. Heracles was one of the greatest heroes ever, and he was the demigod son of Zeus, who later became a god after proving himself worthy through his many Labors.

Superman is as interesting as the writer who writes that particular story cares to make him. There have been many great stories, but different people have different ideas, so you not only get varying quality, but also varying powers, as some people feel a limited hero is best, while others think they can make the greater powers work by either giving him a greater threat, or telling a story about him as a man, and the struggles he faces in his position of power.

Goku would be the same way after a point if Toriyama lost control of Goku and Shueisha moved him between many different writers and artists over a period of over 70 years.

On that note, some good Superman stories include For The Man Who Has Everything by Alan Moore (exploring more of Superman's regrets/desires in life) and All Star Superman by Grant Morrison (where the 200 Quintillion Tons line came from, where Superman saves several lives, but at a cost, where his exposure to the sun's radiation triples his abilities, but at a cost; the overexposure to radiation is going to kill him in a short amount of time, so we see what Superman does when faced with clear mortality, and so much left to do in his life).

I just feel you can't toss Superman aside without reading a few of his great stories (just like you can't toss Goku aside because you saw some of GT).
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:23 am

It was awesome, even though Goku lost.
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Post by omegalucas » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:36 am

Attitudefan wrote:I saw the end a long time ago...
"Kaio-KEN!!!" "Kaio-WHAT?!?" BAM! lol, the best part in my eyes. That part was a great homage to TFS, who provided much of the voice acting for the DBZ characters.
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Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:38 am

I loved it. It was brilliantly put together.
Oh I want to ask, how did they calc goku's speed? Did they use the snake way feat as a base?

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Post by fogdark » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:04 am

Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:I loved it. It was brilliantly put together.
Oh I want to ask, how did they calc goku's speed? Did they use the snake way feat as a base?
Yes, more or less. Since the Snake Way actually curves and stuff, making it longer, and Goku flew all the way back in a straight line, he didn't actually flew 1'000'000 km. So they calculated the actual distance between Kaio's planet and Emma's place, then using the time it took him to fly through it, they reached Goku's max speed at the time. They then proceeded to add the powerups and transformations Goku had through-out the story, resulting in him being able to travel a few times faster than the speed of light.
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Post by Saiyan Prince Vegeta » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:20 am

fogdark wrote:
Saiyan Prince Vegeta wrote:I loved it. It was brilliantly put together.
Oh I want to ask, how did they calc goku's speed? Did they use the snake way feat as a base?
Yes, more or less. Since the Snake Way actually curves and stuff, making it longer, and Goku flew all the way back in a straight line, he didn't actually flew 1'000'000 km. So they calculated the actual distance between Kaio's planet and Emma's place, then using the time it took him to fly through it, they reached Goku's max speed at the time. They then proceeded to add the powerups and transformations Goku had through-out the story, resulting in him being able to travel a few times faster than the speed of light.
So did they multiply the snake way speed by his SSJ forms? Or did they try to guess Goku's speed later on? Like when he fought freeza in base and so on?

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Post by fogdark » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:26 am

Hmm, I can't remember exactly, right now, but I was planning on watching it again later today, so I'll check what exactly they did..
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Post by samuraix123 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:40 am

Out of curiosity, Will this be coming to Youtube? I'd like for my brother to see it. :)
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Post by Gokuden » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:03 am

Bussani wrote:
Gokuden wrote:Goku could just blow-up the sun in the other realms
I'm fairly sure that would lead to his own death before it would affect Superman significantly.
Goku just needs to hightail it outta there before the space goes kaboom, then come back after the explosion with or without Senzu beans and spank Supes.
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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:58 am

Moral of the story, Superman is OP. Superman Prime = SUPER MEGA TIMES 9000000000000000 OP!!!!
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:57 pm

Bussani wrote:I don't want to sound like I'm accusing you of anything--because I'm not--but people tend to say this kind of thing when they haven't read good Superman books (or any at all). Maybe it's just not your thing and you're not interested, but I'd recommend checking some out. You might be surprised.

MarcFBR once put it like this: you like Superman when you're a kid; as you get older, you start to think he's boring because he's so powerful; but if you're lucky, when you're older, you'll read some of the better stories and realize what it's really all about. I guess I sort of went through those phases myself, except I was never a big fan of Superman even when I was a kid. :lol:
No worries, I don't feel accused at all, because I won't deny it - I really haven't read any Superman books. My main experiences has always been through what I've seen of some of the movies, and a few of the cartoons. Overall, as far as US comics go, I've just never been able to get into them as much as I do anime and manga for some reason. I think part of it is because with US comics, there's normally about a thousand different canons out there, so that I wouldn't even know how to keep it all separated in my mind, much less where to start. Then there's the pricing normally, which would only get worse since...I'm a completionist, and would want just about everything.

There's also the fact that, for some reason, I have more interest in Marvel's set of superheroes. Just going off of the movies, cartoons, video games, and the very few comics I've read, I've always preferred like X-Men, Spider-Man, and Iron Man, and so on.

Really though, the only comic book characters I like well enough that I know I want to buy and read the comics are TMNT and Hellboy.

So to clarify, it's not that I hate Superman or anything. I'm just more...apathetic...in the end, I guess. :P I might give some Superman comics a go eventually, but I don't really see it happening either, just the same.
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Post by Dorexx » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:23 pm

So these guys went through a big amount of research in order to make this, and the very first they're doing is have Goku visit Superman one day after seeing him on TV? Seriously? They both live on the same Earth?

Even DB Wikia would've helped them get this accurately.
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Post by rereboy » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:34 pm

Dorexx wrote:So these guys went through a big amount of research in order to make this, and the very first they're doing is have Goku visit Superman one day after seeing him on TV? Seriously? They both live on the same Earth?

Even DB Wikia would've helped them get this accurately.
Really...? You think they don't know that? :wtf:

They did it to have a cool enough intro, using DB footage and team4star's voice acting. That's all.

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Post by Bussani » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:18 pm

Gokuden wrote:Goku just needs to hightail it outta there before the space goes kaboom, then come back after the explosion with or without Senzu beans and spank Supes.
It's not "space going kaboom" that's the problem. Goku would likely die without the Sun faster than Superman's powers would run out.
Gyt Kaliba wrote:No worries, I don't feel accused at all, because I won't deny it - I really haven't read any Superman books. My main experiences has always been through what I've seen of some of the movies, and a few of the cartoons. Overall, as far as US comics go, I've just never been able to get into them as much as I do anime and manga for some reason. I think part of it is because with US comics, there's normally about a thousand different canons out there, so that I wouldn't even know how to keep it all separated in my mind, much less where to start. Then there's the pricing normally, which would only get worse since...I'm a completionist, and would want just about everything.
That's fair enough. I don't think there are too many canons to keep track of, exactly, but the main universe has been reset by time travel/dimensional meddling/apocalyptic events a handful of times, which can be complicated. Still, most of the trade paperbacks can be read as more or less stand alone entries, so I'd just get some recommendations and check those out if you were ever interested. For Superman, I think Up, Up, and Away and Last Son are pretty good ones for new readers, but there are probably people who could suggest better.
There's also the fact that, for some reason, I have more interest in Marvel's set of superheroes. Just going off of the movies, cartoons, video games, and the very few comics I've read, I've always preferred like X-Men, Spider-Man, and Iron Man, and so on.
I used to be the same; now I'm sort of half and half, I guess. Spider-Man's probably my favorite superhero, though, so there you go.
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Post by SaiyanZ » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:24 pm

I wonder why ScrewAttack didn't include this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peQZoTuL ... bw&index=1

I could see Post-Crisis Supes losing to an attack like that.
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Post by DanTheBib » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:28 pm

I for one really enjoyed it. The whole thing went pretty much exactly as expected.

The fight was so well animated to. Does anyone know how they made this?

The numbers they used wasn't the best way of doing things, but it makes sense to show the gap in power.
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Post by InfernalVegito » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:53 pm

SaiyanZ wrote:I wonder why ScrewAttack didn't include this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peQZoTuL ... bw&index=1

I could see Post-Crisis Supes losing to an attack like that.
What's so special about this? It's just a Kamehameha. Just because it destroys the 'dimension' somehow it doesn't mean he can do that in the real dimension.
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Post by DanTheBib » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:58 pm

InfernalVegito wrote:
SaiyanZ wrote:I wonder why ScrewAttack didn't include this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peQZoTuL ... bw&index=1

I could see Post-Crisis Supes losing to an attack like that.
What's so special about this? It's just a Kamehameha. Just because it destroys the 'dimension' somehow it doesn't mean he can do that in the real dimension.
Yeah, I mean...it's just a feat. Supes can repair Galaxies and do all sorts of crazy stuff, so I don't see that making a lot of difference.

Something I was just thinking about. It's HUGELY out of character for Superman to destroy the Earth. Why didn't this factor into it more? It would've made more sense for Superman & Goku to go fight somewhere else.
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