Death Battle! Goku VS Superman Disscussion Thread

[GS7X7]

I got a question... are there ANY anime characters that would have any hope of killing Superman?

[TheMightyOzaru]

I got a question... are there ANY anime characters that would have any hope of killing Superman?

Kami Tenchi is tied with Future Superman seeing as how they are both nigh or straight up Omnipotent.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I got a question... are there ANY anime characters that would have any hope of killing Superman?

Light Yagami, maybe, if he could just find out the whole Kal-el thing? Of course, that would assume the Death Note works on beings that aren't human...and would be the cheapest win ever.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I got a question... are there ANY anime characters that would have any hope of killing Superman?

Light Yagami, maybe, if he could just find out the whole Kal-el thing? Of course, that would assume the Death Note works on beings that aren't human...and would be the cheapest win ever.

Superman would probably hax it somehow .

[Gonstead]

I got a question... are there ANY anime characters that would have any hope of killing Superman?

Lelouch vi Britannia if his Geass can work on Superman.
Haruhi (If aware of her power)

Alucard, either by being completely unsealed, Schrodinger's powers or possibly Kyptonite bullets if given prep time.

Also, Alucard being released to Level Zero, he could summon familiars such as Rip-Van Winkle and Tubalcain Alhambra - The Dandy Man, both which used Magic-based attacks (Magic Bullets and Magic Playing Cards).

[Gyt Kaliba]

Also, any gag character ever, because gag characters do not die. It's a proven fact.

...Now that's another match I'd pay to see. Forget Goku, you'll meet your match in Arale, Superman!

[Hellspawn28]

I got a question... are there ANY anime characters that would have any hope of killing Superman?

It depends on the version of Superman. I could think of a good number of characters that could. Z from Tenchi Muyo! could beat any version of Superman expect for Comsic Armor Superman from the Final Crisis tie in or Superman Prime 1 Million.

[Mattie Rose]

I think that was filler only, though. By the same token, he tried to use it against Bio-Brolli, and cut his neck clean through. Toei applies no consistency of their own here.

Well, Cell appears to have a fairly tough hide. The Broli clone was squishy and melty.

[Bussani]

I got a question... are there ANY anime characters that would have any hope of killing Superman?

Kami Tenchi

Good answer. I guess just about any of the actual godlike gods would work, too. Lina Inverse possessed by the Lord of Nightmares, maybe?

Ok looking at the discrepancies between Ki and Megatons I decided not to use them to calculate Cell's power level since the differences could potentially be quite large. Now Roshi can destroy the moon. The volume of Earth is roughly 49.3x greater than the Moon. This means the power level required to destroy the Earth is likely 8,874. The volume of the sun is 1,300,000x greater than Earth's. That would mean destroying something the size of the sun would be 11,536,200,000. Now a Supernova is roughly 9x the size of our sun meaning Cell's power level would have to be 103,825,800,000. Now I'm not sure if this works this way but its possible. I can certainly see Cell with a power level greater than 100 billion.

If you want to use real math, working out the volume isn't quite right. You have to work out the gravitational binding energy. Earth has around 1,800 times more gravitational binding energy than the Moon, so if Roshi could destroy the Moon at...what do you think it is, 139, 180? Let's say 160 as a rough average. If 160 is enough to destroy the Moon, linearly speaking, 288,000 would be needed to do the same to the Earth. The Sun has more than 1,000,000,000 times more gravitational binding energy than the Earth, so a battle power of 288,000,000,000,000 should be necessary to blow it to bits.

Of course, I think looking at it linearly might be the wrong way to go. Like I said earlier, if you look at it linearly like this, the farmer-with-shotgun and his battle power of five should be enough to produce a much larger explosion than the world's biggest nuclear bomb.

EDIT: Hmm destroying the moon requires 30 trillion megatons. Vegeta is 100x stronger than Roshi and it requires more than 1,000x as many megatons to destroy Earth. It would appear that Ki and Megatons are not exactly linear. Anyone got an explanation for this?

I've been thinking about working something out all day, but I don't know when I'll have the time to do so, or how well it will work out. Battle powers may just be too inconsistent to make sense out of--but I'm going to give it a shot!

EDIT: Wait a minute. Where did the 28-hour time for Goku's return trip from Kaio's come from? Kaio said it would take him two days. In that case, SSj4 would have a theoretical minimum of 10.4 million km/h.

Kaio said the Saiyans would reach Earth in a day, but it would take Goku two to get back. The Saiyans arrive, fight everyone for a while, then wait three hours for Goku to arrive. Goku arrives at Earth roughly when those three hours run out, so it took him roughly a day, plus three hours, plus however long the Saiyans and Earthlings fought for. 28 hours seems like a decent estimate to me, and the Daizenshuu seems to agree, since its timeline has Goku arrive on the battlefield the same day as the Saiyans arrived.

Basically, Kaio underestimated Goku. Which is probably why he says, "So fast...!" when Goku reaches Enma's.

[JulieYBM]

I got a question... are there ANY anime characters that would have any hope of killing Superman?

Aizen Sousuke from Bleach.

...actually, probably anyone from Bleach. They're spirits, after all, so it's not like Superman could touch them.

[Hellspawn28]

Superman's powers are above anything in Bleach. From what I can remember, they lack the speed compare to Superman. I think we are getting a bit off topic now.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Lol he is Superman, he is likely capable of touching souls .

[TheMightyOzaru]

I got a question... are there ANY anime characters that would have any hope of killing Superman?

Kami Tenchi

Good answer. I guess just about any of the actual godlike gods would work, too. Lina Inverse possessed by the Lord of Nightmares, maybe?

Ok looking at the discrepancies between Ki and Megatons I decided not to use them to calculate Cell's power level since the differences could potentially be quite large. Now Roshi can destroy the moon. The volume of Earth is roughly 49.3x greater than the Moon. This means the power level required to destroy the Earth is likely 8,874. The volume of the sun is 1,300,000x greater than Earth's. That would mean destroying something the size of the sun would be 11,536,200,000. Now a Supernova is roughly 9x the size of our sun meaning Cell's power level would have to be 103,825,800,000. Now I'm not sure if this works this way but its possible. I can certainly see Cell with a power level greater than 100 billion.

If you want to use real math, working out the volume isn't quite right. You have to work out the gravitational binding energy. Earth has around 1,800 times more gravitational binding energy than the Moon, so if Roshi could destroy the Moon at...what do you think it is, 139, 180? Let's say 160 as a rough average. If 160 is enough to destroy the Moon, linearly speaking, 288,000 would be needed to do the same to the Earth. The Sun has more than 1,000,000,000 times more gravitational binding energy than the Earth, so a battle power of 288,000,000,000,000 should be necessary to blow it to bits.

Of course, I think looking at it linearly might be the wrong way to go. Like I said earlier, if you look at it linearly like this, the farmer-with-shotgun and his battle power of five should be enough to produce a much larger explosion than the world's biggest nuclear bomb.

EDIT: Hmm destroying the moon requires 30 trillion megatons. Vegeta is 100x stronger than Roshi and it requires more than 1,000x as many megatons to destroy Earth. It would appear that Ki and Megatons are not exactly linear. Anyone got an explanation for this?

I've been thinking about working something out all day, but I don't know when I'll have the time to do so, or how well it will work out. Battle powers may just be too inconsistent to make sense out of--but I'm going to give it a shot!

EDIT: Wait a minute. Where did the 28-hour time for Goku's return trip from Kaio's come from? Kaio said it would take him two days. In that case, SSj4 would have a theoretical minimum of 10.4 million km/h.

Kaio said the Saiyans would reach Earth in a day, but it would take Goku two to get back. The Saiyans arrive, fight everyone for a while, then wait three hours for Goku to arrive. Goku arrives at Earth roughly when those three hours run out, so it took him roughly a day, plus three hours, plus however long the Saiyans and Earthlings fought for. 28 hours seems like a decent estimate to me, and the Daizenshuu seems to agree, since its timeline has Goku arrive on the battlefield the same day as the Saiyans arrived.

Basically, Kaio underestimated Goku. Which is probably why he says, "So fast...!" when Goku reaches Enma's.

Well we could work out an exponential increase in destrtuctive capabilities when increasing power levels. This would make it so the power levels don't have to be so big. However an exponential destructive capacity could make Vegetto a potential Galaxy buster which might be a bit out there.

[dbzfan7]

This reminds me of the backlash when Goku beat Superman in Wizard magazine. Seems either way people will have problems.

[Saiga]

Superman's powers are above anything in Bleach. From what I can remember, they lack the speed compare to Superman. I think we are getting a bit off topic now.

Superman doesn't have Reiatsu, so he can't even see the Soul Reapers from Bleach 8D

[TheMightyOzaru]

Someone forgot Superman's ability to see souls... Furthermore he is freakin Superman he likely has a haxed ability to beat them somehow.

[Mewzard]

Superman's powers are above anything in Bleach. From what I can remember, they lack the speed compare to Superman. I think we are getting a bit off topic now.

Superman doesn't have Reiatsu, so he can't even see the Soul Reapers from Bleach 8D

Chad beat up a Hollow at the start of a series with a steel girder, and Superman was shown to be able to see souls (don't doubt the Man of Steel's vision, he can hit just about every spectrum of light there is with his eyes), so he could easily beat them with his physical body. The question is, how effective will Zanpakutos and Hado/Kido be on him and his moves.

[Saiga]

Chad beat up a Hollow at the start of a series with a steel girder, and Superman was shown to be able to see souls (don't doubt the Man of Steel's vision, he can hit just about every spectrum of light there is with his eyes), so he could easily beat them with his physical body. The question is, how effective will Zanpakutos and Hado/Kido be on him and his moves.

Yes, but he couldn't see them. The rules are to see Soul Reapers you need high reiatsu, Superman's vision means squat.

So anyone with Kido kills him dead.

Actually, scratch that, you need reiatsu just to defend from regular SR attacks. So just about anybody kills him dead.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Chad beat up a Hollow at the start of a series with a steel girder, and Superman was shown to be able to see souls (don't doubt the Man of Steel's vision, he can hit just about every spectrum of light there is with his eyes), so he could easily beat them with his physical body. The question is, how effective will Zanpakutos and Hado/Kido be on him and his moves.

Yes, but he couldn't see them. The rules are to see Soul Reapers you need high reiatsu, Superman's vision means squat.

So anyone with Kido kills him dead.

Actually, scratch that, you need reiatsu just to defend from regular SR attacks. So just about anybody kills him dead.

This is Superman, he likely has a way to beat them. Furthermore there is future Superman whom is nigh to straight up Omnipotent. Superman would easily wreck these characters since their rules don't apply to someone who can rewrite laws of physics and change reality with a mere thought.

[Gyt Kaliba]

This is Superman, he likely has a way to beat them. Furthermore there is future Superman whom is nigh to straight up Omnipotent. Superman would easily wreck these characters since their rules don't apply to someone who can rewrite laws of physics and change reality with a mere thought.

It's descriptions like that that make me wonder how he'd handle the final mecha in Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (which is it's name too). The entire last fight takes place between it and another being, on some kind of plane between dimensions or something, and it can throw entire GALAXIES like SHURIKEN. It's hard to top that.