Death Battle! Goku VS Superman Disscussion Thread

[dario03]

I've never took the GokuxVegeta=Vegetto to literally mean its their powers times each other. It isn't necassary for him to do what he did, theres other times where Manga/anime stuff is written like that and doesn't look to be literal, it has problems math wise, KibitoKai doesn't seem to get any where near that boost.

But either way I still think Superman would beat him.

[JP6GAMER]

Hi, I'm new here and this is my first post.
The Death Battle was great! Great animation, great analysis and overall it was just super! I was clearly for Goku, but I knew Superman would win(he is probably the strongest fictional character besides immortal deities). The discussions about the battle are now more a debate about which character is better.
Some say they did miscalculations, so here is a video showing Chad (Co-writer of Death Battle) responding to those claims :
http://www.screwattack.com/shows/origin ... y-reaction
At the 24. minute he starts to talk about the miscalculations.

I have two speculations to what happend in the fight scene (I know the fight scenes in Death Battle are just showed for entertainment but I find it even though interesting).Superman has a ability called the healing coma. When he fought Doomsday he was seemingly dead, but he was just in a healing coma. When he is in this coma he is or is seemingly physically dead , but he obtains solar energy to be compeltely regenerated.This means when a normal living being(or just a other superhero) is dead, Superman would just be in this dead-like state. In order to truly kill him you have to annihilate his body. My speculations are that Superman was within the fight with Goku two times in a healing coma!
1.After the Kaio-ken+ 10x Kamehameha vs super Heatvision you see how Goku is gaining the upper hand and blasts Superman away. For just a few seconds Superman is seemingly dead and Goku thinks the fight is over. But suddenly Goku feels that Superman is still alive.I think for those seconds Superman was in a healing coma. But why so short? Because it looked like Supe was blasted into the direction of the sun and because he was nearer to the sun he got more solar energy and so he was regenerating faster.
2.This one is more likely than the first. After the Dragon Fist vs Infinite Mass Punch and earths explosion, you see Superman seemingly dead (I say "seemingly dead" on purpose again) floating in space.Then you see him exposed to the sun and slowly opening his eyes.This indicates a healing coma.

What do you think about my speculations? Are they completely wrong or do you agree with me?
And if I made a mistake, correct me please.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Vegetto would TOTALLY beat Superman.

Okay sorry.

Sorry to burst your bubble but he likely wouldn't.

I've never took the GokuxVegeta=Vegetto to literally mean its their powers times each other. It isn't necassary for him to do what he did, theres other times where Manga/anime stuff is written like that and doesn't look to be literal, it has problems math wise, KibitoKai doesn't seem to get any where near that boost.

But either way I still think Superman would beat him.

Vegetto is likely Goku x Vegeta because they are rivals. The SEG only implies that increase for Vegeta and Goku.

[dario03]

Vegetto would TOTALLY beat Superman.

Okay sorry.

Sorry to burst your bubble but he likely wouldn't.

I've never took the GokuxVegeta=Vegetto to literally mean its their powers times each other. It isn't necassary for him to do what he did, theres other times where Manga/anime stuff is written like that and doesn't look to be literal, it has problems math wise, KibitoKai doesn't seem to get any where near that boost.

But either way I still think Superman would beat him.

Vegetto is likely Goku x Vegeta because they are rivals. The SEG only implies that increase for Vegeta and Goku.

I know but I don't think it should be that extreme of a difference. Plus Goku wasn't even going to fuse with Vegeta at first he was going to fuse with Gohan who was more powerful but not a rival.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Vegetto would TOTALLY beat Superman.

Okay sorry.

Sorry to burst your bubble but he likely wouldn't.

I've never took the GokuxVegeta=Vegetto to literally mean its their powers times each other. It isn't necassary for him to do what he did, theres other times where Manga/anime stuff is written like that and doesn't look to be literal, it has problems math wise, KibitoKai doesn't seem to get any where near that boost.

But either way I still think Superman would beat him.

Vegetto is likely Goku x Vegeta because they are rivals. The SEG only implies that increase for Vegeta and Goku.

I know but I don't think it should be that extreme of a difference. Plus Goku wasn't even going to fuse with Vegeta at first he was going to fuse with Gohan who was more powerful but not a rival.

Why would Goku know the affects of rivalry with the Potara? Furthermore Gohan being as strong as he is would be enough without straight multiplication of their power levels.

[Onikage725]

I keep misreading Superman Prime as Superboy Prime.

Same guy, after a run in with some lawyers :p

Not from a manga, but Thanos with the cosmic cube or infinity gauntlet probably had the juice. He's even be a credible threat without. Picture Darkseid, but stronger. Especially after his death and resurrection. His already god-like strength was enhanced by the entity Death, his endurance is incredible. He can eat planet killing attacks unscathed, and can obliterate planets by punching them. His speed and reflexes are crazy, though Superman is probably faster. He has a healing factor, and can absorb and draw power from cosmic energy. Like Superman, he has an incredible intellect (smarter than Reed Richards and Doctor Doom). The Silver Surfer's stats are considered god-level, and he is completely indestructible...and Thanos tops him easy. His energy attacks can take down Thor, and destroy planets with little effort.

Oh yeah, and he has extensive skill in magic. His energy attacks, the planet-killing Thor-slammers I mentioned? They're possibly part-magic in nature. So yea.

[Hellspawn28]

Vegito is hard to judge outside of power scaling. He is only in two chapters.

[dario03]

^^^
Which is why I don't expect to see him in Death Battle. It would just be showing a bunch of Goku and Vegeta stuff and then saying "like that but more awesomer".

I've never took the GokuxVegeta=Vegetto to literally mean its their powers times each other. It isn't necassary for him to do what he did, theres other times where Manga/anime stuff is written like that and doesn't look to be literal, it has problems math wise, KibitoKai doesn't seem to get any where near that boost.

But either way I still think Superman would beat him.

Vegetto is likely Goku x Vegeta because they are rivals. The SEG only implies that increase for Vegeta and Goku.

I know but I don't think it should be that extreme of a difference. Plus Goku wasn't even going to fuse with Vegeta at first he was going to fuse with Gohan who was more powerful but not a rival.

Why would Goku know the affects of rivalry with the Potara? Furthermore Gohan being as strong as he is would be enough without straight multiplication of their power levels.

I never said he would know that. I just don't think the statement has to be taken literally even with a rival boost. It could be but I don't think it is.

[TheMightyOzaru]

^^^
Which is why I don't expect to see him in Death Battle. It would just be showing a bunch of Goku and Vegeta stuff and then saying "like that but more awesomer".

I've never took the GokuxVegeta=Vegetto to literally mean its their powers times each other. It isn't necassary for him to do what he did, theres other times where Manga/anime stuff is written like that and doesn't look to be literal, it has problems math wise, KibitoKai doesn't seem to get any where near that boost.

But either way I still think Superman would beat him.

Vegetto is likely Goku x Vegeta because they are rivals. The SEG only implies that increase for Vegeta and Goku.

I know but I don't think it should be that extreme of a difference. Plus Goku wasn't even going to fuse with Vegeta at first he was going to fuse with Gohan who was more powerful but not a rival.

Why would Goku know the affects of rivalry with the Potara? Furthermore Gohan being as strong as he is would be enough without straight multiplication of their power levels.

I never said he would know that. I just don't think the statement has to be taken literally even with a rival boost. It could be but I don't think it is.

And thats fine, no one is forcing you to accept a literal meaning for it. Most people have just come to accept it as literal. I for one do.

[dario03]

A little off topic but that reminds me of a shirt I just got
It says - "Its okay if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right"

But like I said even if it is literal I still think Superman would win. Could be a actual fight though.

[TheMightyOzaru]

A little off topic but that reminds me of a shirt I just got
It says - "Its okay if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right"

But like I said even if it is literal I still think Superman would win. Could be a actual fight though.

Vegetto would certainly have fared better seeing as how this is Buu saga SSJ4 Goku they were using which is likely not that much stronger than Mystic Gohan.

[dbzfan7]

A little off topic but that reminds me of a shirt I just got
It says - "Its okay if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right"

But like I said even if it is literal I still think Superman would win. Could be a actual fight though.

Vegetto would certainly have fared better seeing as how this is Buu saga SSJ4 Goku they were using which is likely not that much stronger than Mystic Gohan.

I kinda go back and forth on if I would have Boo saga SSJ4 Goku above Gohan but besides that, I think they were using a hypothetical Boo saga Goku. The stats (especially strength) leaned closer to what Boo saga Goku would be. Even if full on GT stats were included, the match may have ended the same. I like to think Sun Supes>GT SSJ4>Supes, But I can easily be wrong on that. Based on the ending Supes was in a better condition for the final minute anyways. The sun heals him and restores his power while Goku was left drained. He used the Genki Dama and then used what little he had left for a dragon fist.

[TheMightyOzaru]

A little off topic but that reminds me of a shirt I just got
It says - "Its okay if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right"

But like I said even if it is literal I still think Superman would win. Could be a actual fight though.

Vegetto would certainly have fared better seeing as how this is Buu saga SSJ4 Goku they were using which is likely not that much stronger than Mystic Gohan.

I kinda go back and forth on if I would have Boo saga SSJ4 Goku above Gohan but besides that, I think they were using a hypothetical Boo saga Goku. The stats (especially strength) leaned closer to what Boo saga Goku would be. Even if full on GT stats were included, the match may have ended the same. I like to think Sun Supes>GT SSJ4>Supes, But I can easily be wrong on that. Based on the ending Supes was in a better condition for the final minute anyways. The sun heals him and restores his power while Goku was left drained. He used the Genki Dama and then used what little he had left for a dragon fist.

The fight was for entertainment purposes. Superman would have ended Goku a lot more quickly if in a "real" fight at least based on their less than stellar calculations for Goku's durability and Ki output.

[dbzfan7]

The fight was for entertainment purposes. Superman would have ended Goku a lot more quickly if in a "real" fight at least based on their less than stellar calculations for Goku's durability and Ki output.

I agree, if they were hell bent on killing each other, with that stat difference. Supes could have grabbed Goku and lobotomized him before Goku could transform in a real fight.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Yup. This is also pretty funny. I was watching this video where Screwattack reacted to the reactions of their Death Battle and its so funny to see people saying "Oh Screwattack made no mistakes with their calculations blargh" in the comment section. ...Are you joking? According to their logic Goku's power level in the Buu saga is 468,800 .

[TonyTheTiger]

That's not necessarily true. They did set out fully disregarding power levels from the start. A controversial decision, sure, but not a baseless one. And there is some very good evidence that power levels and strength/speed/durability are not perfectly linear. There's no solid proof that a person with power level 10 can lift twice as much or move twice as fast as someone with a power level of 5. So who knows what Goku's power level is at their calculated numbers? It could be 100 trillion for all we know.

[Sinestro]

I keep misreading Superman Prime as Superboy Prime.

Same guy, after a run in with some lawyers :p

Ah, thought you were referring to the One Million one.

And of course, they changed the name back later when the lawyer trouble was over.

[mysticboy]

That's not necessarily true. They did set out fully disregarding power levels from the start. A controversial decision, sure, but not a baseless one. And there is some very good evidence that power levels and strength/speed/durability are not perfectly linear. There's no solid proof that a person with power level 10 can lift twice as much or move twice as fast as someone with a power level of 5. So who knows what Goku's power level is at their calculated numbers? It could be 100 trillion for all we know.

I don't think power level readings include physical strength at all. Just speed, ki output, and durability. However, I do think one could enhance their natural physical strength with ki. It's just a matter of the situation and how much ki that person can use.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

And thats fine, no one is forcing you to accept a literal meaning for it. Most people have just come to accept it as literal. I for one do.

To me, it doesn't seem like most people here have accepted the statement as literal. More like 50-50.

[mysticboy]

And thats fine, no one is forcing you to accept a literal meaning for it. Most people have just come to accept it as literal. I for one do.

To me, it doesn't seem like most people here have accepted the statement as literal. More like 50-50.

I've always thought of it as literal in the past, but now idk. It might fusee's A max potential (in the case of Goku, SSJ3) + fusee B's max potential (in Vegeta's case it's SSJ2) + a rivalry boost = Potara Fusion's base power. So, 8+6+RB=?. Fusion dance might be the same deal except no rivalry boost and power needs to be the same. So that's, 6+6=12. Mind you these numbers are the fusions' base power.